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PostNationalism
35 Posts
several games i watched the zerg outplayed protoss and still lost because roach hydra sucks so so bad. hell ragnarak was ahead SO MUCH but because his only viable option is a broodlord rush.. GG (that said he could have microd better.. but.. cmon) anyway not trying to make this a total balance whine, im actually interested in the numbers, how badly are zerg struggling lately?? (nor not at all?) | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
Actually, blink stalker/sentry is a great way for protoss to lose. Roach ling/Roach Hydra takes down blink stalker pretty easily. It's when the Protoss sits back and gets that huge death ball (Colossus/void ray or other) that it becomes much harder to win in a long game without SH. My guess is it will take some more time for the win rates to dip since P and T players have yet to fully adapt to the no sh zergs. I mean there are still tons of Terrans playing bio. | ||
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91matt
United Kingdom147 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:23 TRaFFiC wrote: The resources to find them are out there for everyone's use. Liquidpedia and aligulac are good places to start I guess. Actually, blink stalker/sentry is a great way for protoss to lose. Roach ling/Roach Hydra takes down blink stalker pretty easily. It's when the Protoss sits back and gets that huge death ball (Colossus/void ray or other) that it becomes much harder to win in a long game without SH. My guess is it will take some more time for the win rates to dip since P and T players have yet to fully adapt to the no sh zergs. I mean there are still tons of Terrans playing bio. roach hydra doesn't kill blink stalker sentry easily, once they reach a critical mass roach hydra does virtually nothing to it | ||
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PostNationalism
35 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:27 Matt` wrote: roach hydra doesn't kill blink stalker sentry easily, once they reach a critical mass roach hydra does virtually nothing to it yea the games today really showed how pathetic roach hydra is vs well controlled blink stalker/sentry .. and as the other guy said, the lategame must be even worse than the midgame.. anyway the statistics would be more telling than our anecdata | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:27 Matt` wrote: roach hydra doesn't kill blink stalker sentry easily, once they reach a critical mass roach hydra does virtually nothing to it First, I said Roach ling/Hydra ling. Second, Hydras destroy stalkers. Stalkers are a low dps crap unit. You want zealots and colossus really vs hydra, not stalkers. Go ahead and link pro games if you want. It comes down to the zerg getting a good economy vs whatever 2 base timing is coming. I haven''t heard the words "imba" and "blink stalkers" in the same sentence since Hongun http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HongUn . lol | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:31 TRaFFiC wrote: First, I said Roach ling/Hydra ling. Second, Hydras destroy stalkers. Stalkers are a low dps crap unit. You want zealots and colossus really vs hydra, not stalkers. Go ahead and link pro games if you want. It comes down to the zerg getting a good economy vs whatever 2 base timing is coming. I haven''t heard the words "imba" and "blink stalkers" in the same sentence since Hongun http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HongUn . lol well, you kinda wrote roach ling/roach hydra though  anyway, blink stalker sentry is a very viable composition that opens up massive timings on 3 base and transitions very well into templar tech. with good control roach hydra can't touch a blink stalker sentry army (while heads-on it obviously crushes it, but that's what FFs are all about). without the fear of SH, you can delay colossus tech for a very long time because you want the inevitable Vipers to be as useless as possible (and abducts on your first 1 or 2 colossi can lose you any game) | ||
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91matt
United Kingdom147 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:31 TRaFFiC wrote: First, I said Roach ling/Hydra ling. Second, Hydras destroy stalkers. Stalkers are a low dps crap unit. You want zealots and colossus really vs hydra, not stalkers. Go ahead and link pro games if you want. It comes down to the zerg getting a good economy vs whatever 2 base timing is coming. I haven''t heard the words "imba" and "blink stalkers" in the same sentence since Hongun http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HongUn . lol roach hydra ling/roach hydra it doesnt matter, once there is a critical mass you will not kill them. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:23 TRaFFiC wrote: The resources to find them are out there for everyone's use. Liquidpedia and aligulac are good places to start I guess. Actually, blink stalker/sentry is a great way for protoss to lose. Roach ling/Roach Hydra takes down blink stalker pretty easily. It's when the Protoss sits back and gets that huge death ball (Colossus/void ray or other) that it becomes much harder to win in a long game without SH. My guess is it will take some more time for the win rates to dip since P and T players have yet to fully adapt to the no sh zergs. I mean there are still tons of Terrans playing bio. Uh...no. Blink stalkers are really strong, especially with the Protosses like Zest which are really good at using blink stakers. They can practically go up to ling hydra Zergs and kill them without using sentries. Blink Stalkers combined with sentries have such massive survivability. Twice the effective HP of Hydras, with the survivability and versatility of blink and quick recharging haf of HP known as shields means that it can be very difficult to punish or kill blink stalkers till you got a way ameriolate them with tunnelling roaches or infestors, since you now can't use swarmhosts to help defend against them. Also lol at this: On April 29 2015 22:23 TRaFFiC wrote: The resources to find them are out there for everyone's use. Liquidpedia and aligulac are good places to start I guess. Actually, blink stalker/sentry is a great way for protoss to lose. Roach ling/Roach Hydra takes down blink stalker pretty easily. It's when the Protoss sits back and gets that huge death ball (Colossus/void ray or other) that it becomes much harder to win in a long game without SH. My guess is it will take some more time for the win rates to dip since P and T players have yet to fully adapt to the no sh zergs. I mean there are still tons of Terrans playing bio. On April 29 2015 22:31 TRaFFiC wrote: First, I said Roach ling/Hydra ling. Second, Hydras destroy stalkers. Stalkers are a low dps crap unit. You want zealots and colossus really vs hydra, not stalkers. Go ahead and link pro games if you want. It comes down to the zerg getting a good economy vs whatever 2 base timing is coming. I haven''t heard the words "imba" and "blink stalkers" in the same sentence since Hongun http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HongUn . lol Bare faced lying lol. | ||
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Penev
28451 Posts
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SC2Towelie
United States561 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:54 TRaFFiC wrote: I didn't watch PL but feel free to link vods. I watch sc2 24/7 and haven't seen this issue. When the Protoss wins with a stalker\sentry timing it's usually because the Zerg's early game didn't go well or he would have the necessary units to defend. well, it's not massively broken or anything but an already strong composition basically got a buff by removing the one way (ie sh switch) to catch the bs/sentry player totally off guard. | ||
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Elentos
55458 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:31 TRaFFiC wrote: First, I said Roach ling/Hydra ling. Second, Hydras destroy stalkers. Stalkers are a low dps crap unit. You want zealots and colossus really vs hydra, not stalkers. Go ahead and link pro games if you want. It comes down to the zerg getting a good economy vs whatever 2 base timing is coming. I haven''t heard the words "imba" and "blink stalkers" in the same sentence since Hongun http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HongUn . lol hydra/ling can't do anything vs blink stalkers if Protoss' control is decent. If you want actual vods, watch Life vs herO on Catallena, Life vs Rain on Catallena (from the top of my head) or any other high level ZvP (and I mean high level, GSL ro16 high) where the Zerg tries a hydra/ling attack vs blink stalkers. Life's semifinal and final of the last GSL are a good example of how blink stalker based armies can trade vs roach hydra. As for the games of today, I didn't catch the ZvPs, but Parting has the best control in the world and him beating anything with blink stalkers shouldn't surprise anyone really... | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:32 Paljas wrote: http://aligulac.com/periods/135/ How is it possible that Protoss has 42% vs terran and 47% vs Zerg, yet it is the "leading race by 3%"? By the way, no one used Swarmhosts to counter Mass blink stalkers. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Usually you see Roach Ling or Hydra Ling kill the Sentry-BS-Ball or lose the game. That was the fact before the SW-Patch and Swarm Hosts didnt help in that situation, because a low SH count did not help at all, if the protoss attacked at the right timing. The only thing that changed is the 3 base Sentry-Coloss Turtle Style and all other defensive styles. When BS-Sentry is used offensive of 2 bases, you still have to kill it with roach ling or hydra ling, just like 4 weeks ago. Swarm Hosts come to late or to little for that. When you say protoss controll should be decent, just use decent zerg control. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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