EPTDestiny breaks down Streamers Income - Page 7
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On April 23 2015 02:13 Deathstar wrote: I thought the hierarchy of income source, in general for streamers on twitch, was 1. donations 2. subs 3. ads Ah okay, thats possible, my statement was based on assumptions and hear-say. ^^' I would've never thought that the ads make up less thn donations and subs.... Well, I guess some other streaming-service just has to pay more than twitch. Maybe it's also because tons of ppl have ad-blocker and I see more and more streamers that show very little commercials (I don't use ad-blocker on twitch.... on TL neither btw. - so gimme a manner-cookie plz!) I still think twitch makes a pretty buck off the streamers and they could easily afford to pay more, so twitch just needs competition. I mean, there are streamers that entertain as many or more ppl for hours a day than well-known actors and/or musicians etc. And often, the put tons of effort into it and most gamers/pro's that are being watched, worked for years to be good enough to even get watched. I still would like to see the numbers on how much they actually make from ads, subs and donations. | ||
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rararock
United States41 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
There are a bunch of problems with an advertising-based revenue model for me. Adblock is one of them, I guess, but the truth is that if you make stuff that people really care about and understand the value of, advertising is a terrible way to monetize it anyway, because most of what advertisers care about is eyeballs. They want to get their message to as many people as possible. So, like, they don't really care if I'm watching CSI or MinutePhysics as long as I'm learning that Tide is the very best laundry detergent available today. But of course my relationship with CSI is VERY DIFFERENT from my relationship with MinutePhysics. One is a stupid crime show I watch to relax and distract me; the other is a YouTube channel that changes the way I understand my life and the universe around me. One I watch; the other I LOVE. And with an advertising-driven model of content production, we get TONS of stuff that's watchable, but relatively little stuff that's AMAZINGLY AWESOME, because amazingly awesome stuff doesn't get monetized differently from watchable stuff. This is why I like the Patreon model: It says, "If you love this, don't count on advertising to support it. Support it directly so that creators can invest more in their work and make even more awesome stuff." We still need ads to make Crash Course sustainable, and I am grateful to advertisers who advertise on Crash Course and to people who turn off adblock for us. But the future I'm looking toward is much more a direct-support model than an advertising model. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2z97zz/i_am_hank_green_founder_of_subbable_a/cpgul4f I think Destiny is a great example of this as well, some people truly believe Destiny's content (and community I guess) is worth $40 a month. Having an ad-based system doesn't allow people to say, hey, this content is worth $20-40 a month for me and that's what I'll pay. Instead, if everyone turned off adblock, everyone would be paying a few cents (dollars at most) indirectly to Destiny no matter how much they enjoyed his content. So yeah, with content that can be pretty personal, like twitch and youtube, I think pay-what-you-want is superior to a solely ad-based or solely paywalled model, simply because people enjoy it to wildly different extents. | ||
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CanadianSC
Canada53 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:00 CanadianSC wrote: Super sad to see small people outraged at a little success. Mr. Bonnel has a child to support as well - destiny fighting!~ This is the most amazing part. Destiny had the forethought and the balls to bet on himself when monetization of internet streaming was still a very new thing right after he had a kid. He quit his job and went all-in on this career path. I don't even watch Destiny nor do I really care for his entertainment style but I have to commend him for his brass balls. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:06 TurboMaN wrote: Don't forget that everybody has to pay taxes. Making $100k through Twitch doesn't equal $100k of income. Here in Germany you would have to pay 42% taxes with that range of income. In that case it would "only" be $58k per year. Like any professional sports players streamers have to collect and save as much money as possible during their active time, as they won't be able to stream their whole life. At least I don't think anybody is interested in watching a 60y old guy playing Starcraft 5 :D ROFL i'd totally cash out to watch a grumpy fuckin 50 year old destiny get mad at protoss, it'd be beyond hilarious if he kept some of his current personality | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 23 2015 03:58 Tenks wrote: "Morally"? Give me a break. If anything the internet is the most democratic system available. Many people have voted and they have agreed they'd rather not watch ads even if that means the person providing the content gets no money. It is a reality. Complaining will do nothing. That is why any streamer these days (as opposed to say when WoL beta first started) has a donation link and a sub link. Because that is how the internet has determined that is how they want to support the streamer. DDOS'ing a streamer? Morally reprehensible. Doxxing a personality or someone they have on stream? Morally reprehensible. AdBlock? One of these isn't like the other. Oh okay so because people want to do it, it's okay to do it. They just need to call it "democratic voting". Gotcha. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:16 Tenks wrote: This is the most amazing part. Destiny had the forethought and the balls to bet on himself when monetization of internet streaming was still a very new thing right after he had a kid. He quit his job and went all-in on this career path. I don't even watch Destiny nor do I really care for his entertainment style but I have to commend him for his brass balls. I like Destiny too but let's be real, he had 2000+ daily viewers when he quit his job and got to at least 3000 by the time his kid was born, and that was when CPM was much much higher and he could afford to live comfortably off ads alone. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On April 23 2015 06:04 Cheren wrote: I like Destiny too but let's be real, he had 2000+ daily viewers when he quit his job and got to at least 3000 by the time his kid was born, and that was when CPM was much much higher and he could afford to live comfortably off ads alone. Yeah but he didn't know if it would last. It could just be a flash in the pan thing. I mean he just left his job as a carpet cleaner so it isn't like he reset his position on the corporate ladder or anything. And now that CPM sucks he has managed to stay current with how to make money off streaming. Which is now far different than when he started. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:41 opisska wrote: Anybody who complains that streaming is "not a real job" fails to realize that that's the fucking point of your life - to find something you enjoy yet someone is willing to pay you for it. Anything else and you are just wasting a big chunk of your life. If it pays, the it's a job. New jobs are always appearing on the market just like how old obsolete jobs disappear over time. People are just salty they arent getting paid to stream. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
In a world where income is dictated by demand we unfortunately have a lot of jobs and people that are underpayed and a handful of people (entertainers, actors, musicians, managers) that get multiple times the amount of money some would see justified. This obviously creates a lot of jealousy, which is sad but also at least a tiny bit understandable. To clarify I dont think Steven makes more money than he deserves. Obviously not. But I can at least understand the reasoning behind people being discontent with a few youtubers making millions a year. For myself, my income and that of others has never been a topic I cared much about. I'd rather enjoy doing what I love (-Mathematics  ) instead of wasting time hunting money (and or being envious of the rich). | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 23 2015 04:14 Shousan wrote: "I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson People underestimate the work that some streamers put on their channels, there are many that can make a living by just playing but it's not the majority, and even if it were, when people start with close minded statements like "it's not a real job" it's pretty clear that jealousy has taken its toll. Gaming is the number 1 entertainment industry right now and some are just "taking advantage" from big entertainment corporations who don't realize this and act on it, so good for them, the result is that we've begun to see more professional streams coming from just a guy who's not just playing but looking forward into building a sustainable business model for themselves, which is the very essence of entreprenurial spirit that has created and improved industries for many years. So let's just end this jealousy and appreciate the work that's been done by streamers, donate, subscribe or just support if you feel like it and don't be salty if they win more money than other people in different industries. Nothing I said would disagree with the fact that streamers put in a lot of hard work, and I have explicitly said that streaming is legitimate work. | ||
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cantanta
6 Posts
On April 23 2015 03:15 Deathstar wrote: I don't know why guys get donations though. I don't buy the other guy's explanation of just wanting to help or something. I think it has a lot to do with attention. Imagine these lonely guys living in their boring little town and suddenly they get this opportunity to get called out and thanked bei their superstar for everyone to hear with just a little donation or subscription. A lot of young kids are desperately looking for role models and friends out there, and these streams can give them the feeling of being accepted and welcomed by people they look up to. It's kind of pathetic because the streamers will forget the donators name 10 secs after reading it, and they obviously don't know (and care) who is behind the name, but just that feeling these kids get of some little recognition is worth quite some pocket money for them. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On April 22 2015 10:49 brickrd wrote: because no one does spreadsheets for fun or grows up as a hobbyist in a community of people who all enjoy playing with spreadsheets together and then later becomes a spreadsheet rockstar Liking your job != no work is required to do your job. Regardless of if lots of people like it or not, playing starcraft for fun and streaming for a living are NOT the same thing. Sure, they are similar, so I'll give you another example: I like to do math. For me, it's fun. It's also something I earn money from. If I were doing it just for fun, I'd be doing it when I felt like it and I'd be doing *what* I felt like doing. When I'm actually trying to make money from it, I don't just get to do whatever I want, whenever I want. I have to work at things and work hard. It's exhausting. It's also math, which I love and it's also fun. The hard work doesn't make it not-fun and the fun doesn't make it not-hard work. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On April 23 2015 12:16 cantanta wrote: I think it has a lot to do with attention. Imagine these lonely guys living in their boring little town and suddenly they get this opportunity to get called out and thanked bei their superstar for everyone to hear with just a little donation or subscription. A lot of young kids are desperately looking for role models and friends out there, and these streams can give them the feeling of being accepted and welcomed by people they look up to. It's kind of pathetic because the streamers will forget the donators name 10 secs after reading it, and they obviously don't know (and care) who is behind the name, but just that feeling these kids get of some little recognition is worth quite some pocket money for them. If your theory was correct then no one would make any money off Patreon or any other pay-what-you-want model that doesn't provide recognition. | ||
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cantanta
6 Posts
On April 23 2015 14:09 Cheren wrote: If your theory was correct then no one would make any money off Patreon or any other pay-what-you-want model that doesn't provide recognition. those usually don't make close as much to the big streams that call out donations. also streams that don't call out donations usually don't get many donations. if people would want to do it just to help, they wouldn't need all that fancy ("thank you soo much for contributing, buddy") stuff. | ||
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neteX
Sweden285 Posts
Destiny is just smart getting subscribers thru his own website getting 95% of the cut and 5% takes paypal. That's just smart and i think most streamers should do this to get the money they work hard to earn. People should learn from Lé Steven cause hes not dumb when it comes to marketing and business LOL he also mentioned earlier "if you fake a twitter account with a girl on ur profile pic.. and starts asking stuff behind the scenes you will be given all the information needed... I'll bet money this is so easy to do.." end quote. | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On April 23 2015 05:23 Aocowns wrote: ROFL i'd totally cash out to watch a grumpy fuckin 50 year old destiny get mad at protoss, it'd be beyond hilarious if he kept some of his current personality damn protoss get of my lawn | ||
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