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blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#41
Is this live?
Liquid
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 09 2015 20:03 GMT
#42
On April 10 2015 05:02 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you


Well, we'll see what Lillekanin and FireCake have to say about that before we call it a day, shall we?


Firecake will announce his retirement, just like avilo
rip passion
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2654 Posts
April 09 2015 20:03 GMT
#43
On April 10 2015 05:02 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you


Well, we'll see what Lillekanin and FireCake have to say about that before we call it a day, shall we?


Lille probably will 2 base all in everygame now.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 09 2015 20:04 GMT
#44
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls

It's very possible that I'm too possible.

I would argue it's almost a certainty.

Possibly.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
April 09 2015 20:04 GMT
#45
On April 10 2015 04:32 OtherWorld wrote:
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On April 10 2015 04:29 BaneRiders wrote:
Looking forward to seeing flying swarm hosts next

I want ground-based Brood Lords too d:


It is already in the patch, didn't you see it? "Broodlords can now land and when they have landed they can only attack air units. We are considering changing the name of the unit to Leveragelords"
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 09 2015 20:07 GMT
#46
Welp it's all ogre...
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 09 2015 20:09 GMT
#47
This is so stupid, I agree with patching the SH but this is just pathetic might as well remove them. You increase the cost(gas), makes them mostly useless and increase their supply? Err, I guess we will never ever see this unit again but for trolls or extreme late game.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
April 09 2015 20:09 GMT
#48
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls

It's very possible that I'm too possible

You should really work on reducing your likelihood, and cut back on your probability problem.

In all seriousness, I expect further Zerg buffs to come in the next few months. This just doesn't strike me as a viable patch, based on what little we've seen of its games.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2015 20:09 GMT
#49
amusing that blizzard thinks this will make any matchup more entertaining.

protoss can now play a happy defensive style because they have nothing left to fear in the zerg lategame.
just lots of sentries, and then whatever you want. win game
Zerg for Life
Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany535 Posts
April 09 2015 20:10 GMT
#50
On April 10 2015 04:40 Solar424 wrote:
Probably going to be the last major balance patch for the next 6 months/until LotV release. Which is a shame, because this will absolutely destroy late-game ZvP. Zerg will have to end the game with the first push or just die to deathball.


idk if you have watched a ZvP recently... A good amount of the games I have seen were actually Roach/Hydra/Viper or similar combinations that did not require a Swarmhost transition. And Zerg won pretty comfortably even when they did not manage to kill Protoss with their first push. Heck I have even seen Zerg win with Broodlords in lategame ZvP. I don't think it will have a significant negative impact on ZvP winrates, especially in combination with the Viper buff.
JayuSC2
Profile Joined April 2015
Austria32 Posts
April 09 2015 20:13 GMT
#51
Anyone knows if this is live on EU?
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:21:05
April 09 2015 20:13 GMT
#52
On April 10 2015 04:34 stuchiu wrote:
Poll: Best name for the patch?

Firekanin Patch (64)
 
42%

Firecake Patch (31)
 
21%

HotS April 9 Patch (26)
 
17%

Lillecakin Patch (22)
 
15%

Lillekanin Patch (8)
 
5%

151 total votes

Your vote: Best name for the patch?

(Vote): HotS April 9 Patch
(Vote): Lillecakin Patch
(Vote): Firekanin Patch
(Vote): Firecake Patch
(Vote): Lillekanin Patch



Zhugeliang patch?

Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
April 09 2015 20:14 GMT
#53
On April 10 2015 05:07 mishimaBeef wrote:
Welp it's all ogre...
Protoss

rofl stahp pls
Protoss
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 09 2015 20:17 GMT
#54
On April 10 2015 04:57 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.

yeah, soO is pretty good at playing without hosts

soO, the precursor of modern "Don't let them get there or all my ultras get wiped out".
Interested in the viper change mostly. TBH I'm kind of bummed about the SH because I never went for stallmate with them, but the current version going to make it harder to punish cannon rush lol
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:19:12
April 09 2015 20:17 GMT
#55
On April 10 2015 05:00 [LYF] TN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:53 HmmmCookies wrote:
April 10th : avilo announces that he is retiring.


He hasn't played hots since lotv beta came out and these are already in the beta so I assume he's OK with them

When the patch was announced he called it a buff to swarm hosts and cursed blizzard.
When he first played them on his stream in LotV he thanked blizzard for essentially removing the swarm host. Who knows what's going on in his head.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:18:14
April 09 2015 20:17 GMT
#56
Approved all changes.
About the SH, I like to think that it's Protoss + Terran (66%) approve and Zerg (25%) disapprove (+ non-dirty Zerg 9% no opinion). But it's probably a little more complicated.
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
April 09 2015 20:18 GMT
#57
get ready to see a lot of basetrading in zvp
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
April 09 2015 20:20 GMT
#58
will be fun to play against the new swarm host op or not its better then the boring old version
savior did nothing wrong
Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
April 09 2015 20:23 GMT
#59
Is this already live?

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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 09 2015 20:24 GMT
#60
I wish SH locusts costed minerals or something
rip passion
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