• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:08
CEST 09:08
KST 16:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes171BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
StarCraft Stellar Forces had bad maps ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO Starcraft: Destruction expansion pack? StarCraft - Stratospace. Very rare expansion pack BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1884 users

HotS Balance Update - April 9 - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
339 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 09 2015 19:41 GMT
#21
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 09 2015 19:41 GMT
#22
I think the Raven change is cool
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#23
So this will be live for GSL and S2SL today?

- _- that timing
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18455 Posts
April 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#24
Did they seriously decide it was smart to patch HOTS in such a big way at the same time LOTV beta came out? wth...
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
April 09 2015 19:43 GMT
#25
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 19:52:18
April 09 2015 19:46 GMT
#26
On April 10 2015 04:43 graNite wrote:
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.
Protoss


90 or 50 seems strong against Tempest
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 09 2015 19:48 GMT
#27
On April 10 2015 04:41 gdarky wrote:
Will GSL & SSL use old version of SC2?

Probably never
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 09 2015 19:49 GMT
#28
People seem very pessimistic, I played the test map several times, imho good zergs will be more efficient with the new swarmhosts : 2.95 is fast, flying locusts open new harrass pathes, killing expansion never been so easy.

Moreover, these changes have been on test since christmas, if it ends up being terribly unbalanced, we'll have to blame ourselves, not blizzard...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
PharaphobiaSC2
Profile Joined November 2014
Czech Republic85 Posts
April 09 2015 19:50 GMT
#29
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls
HmmmCookies
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada34 Posts
April 09 2015 19:53 GMT
#30
April 10th : avilo announces that he is retiring.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 09 2015 19:56 GMT
#31
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.
AdministratorBreak the chains
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 09 2015 19:56 GMT
#32
On April 10 2015 04:41 mishimaBeef wrote:
I think the Raven change is cool
Protoss


I see what I did there.
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#33
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.

yeah, soO is pretty good at playing without hosts
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 09 2015 19:58 GMT
#34
Swarmhost nerfed? Great! this means that after one year, I can finally go back to starcraft!
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
tn
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom33 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:00:59
April 09 2015 20:00 GMT
#35
On April 10 2015 04:53 HmmmCookies wrote:
April 10th : avilo announces that he is retiring.


He hasn't played hots since lotv beta came out and these are already in the beta so I assume he's OK with them
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
April 09 2015 20:01 GMT
#36
I hardly ever used Ravens anyways so not a big deal to me. SH was just a bad unit out of the gate in HotS.
Protoss
Wat
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#37
YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

[image loading]
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#38
On April 10 2015 04:57 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.

yeah, soO is pretty good at playing without hosts


zerg messiah = snute

soO is in a dark slump. He's done
rip passion
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#39
On April 10 2015 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you


Well, we'll see what Lillekanin and FireCake have to say about that before we call it a day, shall we?
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2650 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#40
On April 10 2015 04:43 graNite wrote:
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.


Indeed, 20 is way too much, raven is still important for mech in TvT and in TvP (for those brave enough to try it)
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3359
PianO 1322
Movie 818
Larva 194
Hm[arnc] 10
League of Legends
JimRising 531
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K753
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox262
Mew2King78
amsayoshi28
Westballz27
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor164
Other Games
XaKoH 210
NeuroSwarm124
ViBE97
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos934
Upcoming Events
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
52m
RSL Revival
2h 52m
Classic vs TBD
WardiTV Invitational
3h 52m
Online Event
8h 52m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 2h
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
1d 3h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 8h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-18
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.