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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 09 2015 19:41 GMT
#21
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 09 2015 19:41 GMT
#22
I think the Raven change is cool
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#23
So this will be live for GSL and S2SL today?

- _- that timing
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18511 Posts
April 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#24
Did they seriously decide it was smart to patch HOTS in such a big way at the same time LOTV beta came out? wth...
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
April 09 2015 19:43 GMT
#25
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 19:52:18
April 09 2015 19:46 GMT
#26
On April 10 2015 04:43 graNite wrote:
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.
Protoss


90 or 50 seems strong against Tempest
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 09 2015 19:48 GMT
#27
On April 10 2015 04:41 gdarky wrote:
Will GSL & SSL use old version of SC2?

Probably never
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 09 2015 19:49 GMT
#28
People seem very pessimistic, I played the test map several times, imho good zergs will be more efficient with the new swarmhosts : 2.95 is fast, flying locusts open new harrass pathes, killing expansion never been so easy.

Moreover, these changes have been on test since christmas, if it ends up being terribly unbalanced, we'll have to blame ourselves, not blizzard...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
PharaphobiaSC2
Profile Joined November 2014
Czech Republic85 Posts
April 09 2015 19:50 GMT
#29
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls
HmmmCookies
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada34 Posts
April 09 2015 19:53 GMT
#30
April 10th : avilo announces that he is retiring.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 09 2015 19:56 GMT
#31
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.
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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 09 2015 19:56 GMT
#32
On April 10 2015 04:41 mishimaBeef wrote:
I think the Raven change is cool
Protoss


I see what I did there.
Protoss
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#33
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.

yeah, soO is pretty good at playing without hosts
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 09 2015 19:58 GMT
#34
Swarmhost nerfed? Great! this means that after one year, I can finally go back to starcraft!
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
tn
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom33 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:00:59
April 09 2015 20:00 GMT
#35
On April 10 2015 04:53 HmmmCookies wrote:
April 10th : avilo announces that he is retiring.


He hasn't played hots since lotv beta came out and these are already in the beta so I assume he's OK with them
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
April 09 2015 20:01 GMT
#36
I hardly ever used Ravens anyways so not a big deal to me. SH was just a bad unit out of the gate in HotS.
Protoss
Wat
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#37
YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

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"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#38
On April 10 2015 04:57 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 04:56 Zealously wrote:
On April 10 2015 04:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:
And here comes trying lazy kids who are lazy to practice new strategies and would rather be stuck at WoL 1.0 patch again ^^

More tears pls


I've always been an advocate of trying before complaining, but I am somewhat puzzled as to how Zergs will efficiently combat Protoss late-game after this patch. It's very possible that I'm too possible and the Zerg messiah will work something out, but it does seem like a tough hit to endure for the Zerg late-game.

yeah, soO is pretty good at playing without hosts


zerg messiah = snute

soO is in a dark slump. He's done
rip passion
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#39
On April 10 2015 04:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
RIP fantastic hour long swarmhost games, me and Lorning will miss you


Well, we'll see what Lillekanin and FireCake have to say about that before we call it a day, shall we?
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
April 09 2015 20:02 GMT
#40
On April 10 2015 04:43 graNite wrote:
The raven change is total crap. Why not try 90 sec or 50 first? 20 is way too low.


Indeed, 20 is way too much, raven is still important for mech in TvT and in TvP (for those brave enough to try it)
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