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Hi everyone. Do you guys know an arcade game which contain almost all features and functions of Warcraft 3 was uploaded as soon as patch 2.1.9 went live? I mean, we can now play (almost) REAL WC3 melee games without WC3 clients!
Please note that I am NOT talking about Warcraft: Armies Of Azeroth (I haven't played it yet). The arcade map I am sharing with you is called (4)Lost Temple - War3 Mod (GA). The author's name is Renee (some Blizzard employees know this author).
![[image loading]](http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/66c01266gw1eqjmh94r6ej20pr0g9782.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/66c01266gw1eq6em95lbvj20tx0ipq62.jpg)
(PS: The screenshots are already out of date)
You can use these link to find this map in your own region:
battlenet://starcraft/map/1/254131 (NA)
battlenet://starcraft/map/2/178019 (EU)
battlenet://starcraft/map/3/93500 (KR)
You can also found this map and another map called Prologue in Arcade by searching keyword "war3" in Arcade. It's a map of the first chapter of Reign of Chaos.
As some of you might asked questions like "Why did she do this?" or "Does it make sense?", I would like to explain for her.
The map is actually an instance of a MOD of Renee's, War3 Mod(GA). It is a mod which allow every map maker to use Warcraft 3 assets to make “magic style” arcade game with the powerful Starcraft 2 Editor. Renee asked Blizzard to make mod like this in 2012 (link), and then she decided to do something to help Blizzard to make the mod come true. And now you know the result.
The map/mod is still in development, as Renee's "team" is a one-man team, many things are still needed to add or fix, time is needed as well. Please report bugs you found or give suggestions in this thread: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/75039
If you are interested on the future changes of this mod as well as Renee's plan, please read this thread:
http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/76348
If you can speak Chinese, please visit bbs.islga.org to give your feedbacks and thoughts.
Thanks!
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Cool! I will check this out soon.
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This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people.
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On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people.
I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
Slightly more HD :D
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Can we get a video on a version up to date ? (yes i'm lazy)
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On March 27 2015 03:26 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3? Slightly more HD :D
Looks pretty much the same to me =P
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On March 27 2015 03:26 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3? Slightly more HD :D
and skipping the hassle of installing/running older software i guess. last time i went back and played the war3 campaign it had some issues with my resolution and running it wasn't exactly smooth
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On March 27 2015 05:21 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:26 imPermanenCe wrote:On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3? Slightly more HD :D and skipping the hassle of installing/running older software i guess. last time i went back and played the war3 campaign it had some issues with my resolution and running it wasn't exactly smooth
This plus unlimited selection. Though, some people will argue this is not necessarily a good thing, etc.
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pretty laggy 
wc4 needs other engine.
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
You got to keep the new bnet friend list; b.net 2.0 is way less laggy than b.net 1.0 as of now (and although I know the WC3 community is now moving to WC3Arena, that's not the same thing anyway); better graphics; maybe more mods in the future?  you know, I really like Raynor Party, but Uther Party was much better...
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Anything about WC3 is awesome, so thanks and yeah, play it people :D
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WC3 isn't widescreen, so there's that. You can use widescreen hacks, but then you disfigure the UI in the process since it was made for 4:3.
Now all we need is somebody really bored to write a rough WC3->SC2 map converter and dump the campaigns into SC2. Blizzard has a rough version of it in the SC2 editor, but it is lacking a lot (doesn't convert trees, mercs, water, ramps, etc). It would be annoying to have to write a JASS interpreter, though somebody might have already done that in the past.
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Might be better to title it "First SC2 arcade game using..." rather than used. Makes it sound like the first SC2 arcade game ever used WC3 assets.
Very exciting news however.
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On March 27 2015 05:55 dcemuser wrote:
WC3 isn't widescreen, so there's that. You can use widescreen hacks, but then you disfigure the UI in the process since it was made for 4:3.
Now all we need is somebody really bored to write a rough WC3->SC2 map converter and dump the campaigns into SC2. Blizzard has a rough version of it in the SC2 editor, but it is lacking a lot (doesn't convert trees, mercs, water, ramps, etc). It would be annoying to have to write a JASS interpreter, though somebody might have already done that in the past.
vJass brings back some serious modding memories
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Time to remake the SC2 campaigns using wc3 assets, for a different take on kerrigan's story...
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Kerrigans story is super similar to Illidan. No need to remake it. Just change the winner in the outro.
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On March 27 2015 05:44 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3? (1) Not everyone who owns SC2 also owns WC3. (2) Different communities (may or may not be a bonus).
Sc2 arcade can be accessed from sc2 starter edition which is free.
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
Better graphics.
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i hope we get proper minigames (uther party etc) into SC2 client would be cool
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
As long as a game can be modded, people will mod old games into new ones and vice versa. If assets are readily available, it will be even more likely to happen. No matter the purpose, the mods will happen, and it's always a novelty to play them in different engines.
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very cool mod.. blizzard needs to take this over, re-publish a re-skinned version of wc3 (and warcraft 2 while we're at it).
only issue is some client side lag and obviously missing sounds.. they use sounds that are close but do not match.
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Hi, Thanks for creating this thread.
I'm the author. And I want to explain a bit about the performance.
SC2's engine lack the support for WC3 style trees.
In SC2, mineral nodes are not standalone type, and they are actually units, just like a marine. Normally, sc2 map has less than 100 mineral nodes, so that's not a big problem.
And if you get 500 mineral nodes in the same place, your fps would drop to 0.
![[image loading]](http://bbs.islga.org/data/attachment/forum/201503/28/171639h7ompxropxp3b2pr.jpg)
While it comes to War3, each maps would have 5,000-10,000 harvestable trees, War3 have standalone type for the trees which consumes much less resource than units. That means, when converted to SC2, you would have a melee map with 10000 units on the map every single time.
I have did many optimization to make the game to be able to reach 50 fps. Any future optimization would require blizzard engine support. (If I cut down the number of trees, and increase the resource amount of each tree, it would break balance, which war3 fans may get angry XD).
Hope there can be some official engine support in the future.
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On March 28 2015 18:13 Renee.GA wrote:
Hi, Thanks for creating this thread.
I'm the author. And I want to explain a bit about the performance.
SC2's engine lack the support for WC3 style trees.
In SC2, mineral nodes are not standalone type, and they are actually units, just like a marine. Normally, sc2 map has less than 100 mineral nodes, so that's not a big problem.
And if you get 500 mineral nodes in the same place, your fps would become 0.
While it comes to War3, each maps would have 5,000-10,000 harvestable trees, War3 have standalone type for the trees which use much less resource than units. That means, when converted to SC2, you would have a melee map with 10000 units on the map every single time.
I have did many optimization to make the game to be able to reach 50 fps. Any future optimization would require blizzard engine support. (If I cut down the number of trees, and increase the resource amount of each tree, it would break balance, which war3 fans may get angry XD).
Hope there can be some official engine support in the future.
It is pretty good so far. Not being able to shift click, creeps overly aggro range, ancient of war kills give exp, haunted gold mines can mine while constructing, oh and the game speed is locked to normal which is not the correct game speed for wc3.
Some other issues but its pretty good.
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Also if you have any feedback, you can post them on SC2mapster
http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/75039-you-can-submit-bug-suggestion-for-my-war3-mod-here/#posts
Or you can just reply them in this current thread in TL.
Ultimately, my Mod is targeted to provide other developers full(and free) Warcraft III mechanics and heroes/spells in addition to the official models/sounds. So the melee map is merely a example.
Due to engine difference, it is impossible to make every details of this mod exactly the same with war3. Some may be able to mimic by triggers, but some of them may consume insane resources which would never worth to do. So some differences are intended from the beginning. I definitely don't want to make a Mod which can only live in the trailers.
If any map-maker would like to use my Mod to create arcade games. It is recommend to create maps that doesn't require 10000+ harvestable trees. There is another sample map I uploaded to the arcade, which is a recreate of war3's 1st campaign mission. There is no harvestable trees in it, and you can always get 60fps in that map
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On March 28 2015 18:21 duckk wrote:
It is pretty good so far. Not being able to shift click, creeps overly aggro range, ancient of war kills give exp, haunted gold mines can mine while constructing, oh and the game speed is locked to normal which is not the correct game speed for wc3.
Some other issues but its pretty good.
'Not able to shift click'? Hmmm, this mod definitely can do it. Can you provide the detail?
haunted gold mines can mine while constructing was fixed today, you can try it again.
The game speed shows 'Normal', but the speed is the same as the 'faster' in War3. Which is 1:1 of the real time. (SC2's faster is much faster than the real time.)
I will check the creeps and ancient of war. Thanks for you feedback
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On March 28 2015 18:29 Renee.GA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 18:21 duckk wrote:
It is pretty good so far. Not being able to shift click, creeps overly aggro range, ancient of war kills give exp, haunted gold mines can mine while constructing, oh and the game speed is locked to normal which is not the correct game speed for wc3.
Some other issues but its pretty good. 'Not able to shift click'? Hmmm, this mod definitely can do it. Can you provide the detail? haunted gold mines can mine while constructing was fixed today, you can try it again. The game speed shows 'Normal', but the speed is the same as the 'faster' in War3. Which is 1:1 of the real time. (SC2's faster is much faster than the real time.) I will check the creeps and ancient of war. Thanks for you feedback
some shift clicking does work however many do not. call to arms shift click milita for example stops as they turn to milita. Build any structure and shift onto lumber does not work either.
I will recheck my wc3 creep routes but there is no way it is the same speed. Creeps seem impossible to kill and take far longer than they should be. can't quite figure out the problem. ( I could very well be wrong on this since i retired from wc3 awhile ago and am used to sc2s 1.5? or w/e speed, but the other wc3 players i have talked to noticed the same issue immediately)
As for the creep aggro. For example most creeps you have to shoot with a ranged attack then run to drag them, however these all chase before being fired at. The gnolls in the middle prevent hold position on the corner from healing at day, and you can not run around the merchatn shop at night to buy boots.
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On March 28 2015 18:43 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 18:29 Renee.GA wrote:On March 28 2015 18:21 duckk wrote:
It is pretty good so far. Not being able to shift click, creeps overly aggro range, ancient of war kills give exp, haunted gold mines can mine while constructing, oh and the game speed is locked to normal which is not the correct game speed for wc3.
Some other issues but its pretty good. 'Not able to shift click'? Hmmm, this mod definitely can do it. Can you provide the detail? haunted gold mines can mine while constructing was fixed today, you can try it again. The game speed shows 'Normal', but the speed is the same as the 'faster' in War3. Which is 1:1 of the real time. (SC2's faster is much faster than the real time.) I will check the creeps and ancient of war. Thanks for you feedback some shift clicking does work however many do not. call to arms shift click milita for example stops as they turn to milita. Build any structure and shift onto lumber does not work either.(But there can be workaround to solve it if needed.) I will recheck my wc3 creep routes but there is no way it is the same speed. Creeps seem impossible to kill and take far longer than they should be. can't quite figure out the problem. ( I could very well be wrong on this since i retired from wc3 awhile ago and am used to sc2s 1.5? or w/e speed, but the other wc3 players i have talked to noticed the same issue immediately) As for the creep aggro. For example most creeps you have to shoot with a ranged attack then run to drag them, however these all chase before being fired at. The gnolls in the middle prevent hold position on the corner from healing at day, and you can not run around the merchatn shop at night to buy boots.
Oh, if you play the game with only 1 player, you can actually change the game speed while you are in the game. But if it locked to 'normal'. It is supposed to be the same as the faster of war3.
Currently I'm use the same standard to set the game time.
For example, the Peasant takes 15s (real time) to be trained in War3 under fast speed. Then it would take the same time to be trained in this mod under normal speed.
Build shift tree should work, as I just tried it a hour ago. The Calls to arm does break the shift order queue though, because of mechanism behind it (But there can be workarounds to solve this if needed).
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:21 digmouse wrote:
This is probably the most faithful and feature rich WC3 remake in SC2 right now, play it people. I can't think of a way to phrase this without sounding snarky but is there a purpose to playing a WC3 mod running on the SC2 engine compared to just playing WC3?
Well, technically. It's a public mod and open-sourced mod which allows every SC2 Modders to use everything in it.
It combines the art of war3 theme to SC2's powerful editor. I know tons of old war3 map-maker and custom-map-player who prefer fantasy theme than tech theme.
It also serves as a massive textbook which tells people how to realization all the spells, heroes of war3, and provide a huge unit/spell lib.(SC2 itself has too few spells)
So the melee map itself is a example of what you can create with it. It's not the purpose of the mod. Does this make sense to you?
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