• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:40
CEST 05:40
KST 12:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting8[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET0Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition32
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting herO Talks: Poor Performance at EWC and more... Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game [Interview] Grrrr... 2024 Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal A
Strategy
BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Current Meta Relatively freeroll strategies Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1642 users

Pinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 35

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 64 Next
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28491 Posts
March 25 2015 21:34 GMT
#681
On March 26 2015 06:33 Swoopae wrote:
Yeah ok. I hope they talk more about it. Match fixing is an infinitely bigger deal than viewbotting

Agreed. Unfortunately it seems they didn't really prepare for it though..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Tuhill
Profile Joined June 2014
Scotland13 Posts
March 25 2015 21:34 GMT
#682
Yeah, they didn't talk about anything except the betting line and the spine crawler/creep. Richard mentioned having had some information from the Korean side translated for himself but didn't go into detail.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
March 25 2015 21:36 GMT
#683
On March 26 2015 06:33 Swoopae wrote:
Yeah ok. I hope they talk more about it. Match fixing is an infinitely bigger deal than viewbotting

probably not :p I think most people on that show are streamers not pro players, so viewbotting is of a bigger concern, whereas match fixing is more of a issue currently being raised in Korean progaming. (Also, we can't really do anything if Kespa do anything.)
very illegal and very uncool
hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
March 25 2015 21:41 GMT
#684
There's so much discussion on whether or not MK's actions in game were suspicious. Thing is, whether they were or not, it doesn't change the fact that someone knew the outcome of the game before it was played.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
March 25 2015 21:44 GMT
#685
That video was pretty shocking.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
March 25 2015 21:47 GMT
#686
MKP did not cry. Should be proof enough.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
March 25 2015 21:51 GMT
#687
Huk, Nathanias, Kane and Desrow favor match-fixing only based on the gameplay (not including betting patterns):



UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
March 25 2015 21:54 GMT
#688
On March 26 2015 06:41 hangarninetysix wrote:
There's so much discussion on whether or not MK's actions in game were suspicious. Thing is, whether they were or not, it doesn't change the fact that someone knew the outcome of the game before it was played.


those sweet sweet liquibets. gotta win a TL icon somehow...
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
March 25 2015 21:56 GMT
#689
On March 26 2015 05:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 05:37 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:32 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:23 Swoopae wrote:
Otherworld one thing worth noting is we're not all demanding Marineking be thrown out of progaming forever or be thrown in jail or whatever. What we're demanding is a proper investigation, because the circumstantial evidence says he is likely to be guilty. Nobody on TL has the resources to conduct a proper investigation on the ground in Korea. Pinnacle has previously agreed to be cooperative with Kespa and share their data, i'm assuming on betting patterns, IP addresses etc. Kespa have access to the replay at very least and potentially access to the players in questions computers/bank accounts to clear them or gather more evidence etc. i'm sure they could investigate properly if they wanted to, after all, the Savior scandal was exposed through a proper investigation.

If this goes unresolved and uninvestigated, opinions will vary on each implicated player's guilt or innocence, but it's obviously awful for the SC2 scene in general especially if matches continue to get cancelled after ridiculous bets are made and players heavily bet against go on to lose in suspicious fashion.

I do totally agree with you on that, and something should be done to force KeSPA to react at this point. But as you said, scandals are exposed through proper investigations, not through people spreading assumptions as if they were accepted truth. That will only bring bad things for everyone, and that's what some people are doing in this thread.

Yes, people who defend this play and the "coincidence" that there was a voided bet use many assumptions, i agree completely

I'm left speechless at such sick arguing skills.

It's a fact though, the only people with huge assumptions are the people defending his play considering we had a voided bet also.
You may not like it, but that's how it is

edit: and yes, all i have to add to this is to make fun of it, cause that's the only thing these assumptions deserve


Not really. I thought it was suspicious from the very beginning. I bet lots of people did. Just because this discussion is happening after the fact does not in any way mean people didn't have thoughts about the game that transpired. That fact that he threw down that third command is just mind boggling.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
March 25 2015 21:56 GMT
#690
On March 26 2015 06:41 hangarninetysix wrote:
There's so much discussion on whether or not MK's actions in game were suspicious. Thing is, whether they were or not, it doesn't change the fact that someone knew the outcome of the game before it was played.

Yes that is true, but most people don't understand betting and this time it is linked with gameplay. It should open more eyes, but unfortunately it doesn't.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28491 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 21:59:37
March 25 2015 21:58 GMT
#691
On March 26 2015 06:56 Grizvok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 05:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:37 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:32 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:23 Swoopae wrote:
Otherworld one thing worth noting is we're not all demanding Marineking be thrown out of progaming forever or be thrown in jail or whatever. What we're demanding is a proper investigation, because the circumstantial evidence says he is likely to be guilty. Nobody on TL has the resources to conduct a proper investigation on the ground in Korea. Pinnacle has previously agreed to be cooperative with Kespa and share their data, i'm assuming on betting patterns, IP addresses etc. Kespa have access to the replay at very least and potentially access to the players in questions computers/bank accounts to clear them or gather more evidence etc. i'm sure they could investigate properly if they wanted to, after all, the Savior scandal was exposed through a proper investigation.

If this goes unresolved and uninvestigated, opinions will vary on each implicated player's guilt or innocence, but it's obviously awful for the SC2 scene in general especially if matches continue to get cancelled after ridiculous bets are made and players heavily bet against go on to lose in suspicious fashion.

I do totally agree with you on that, and something should be done to force KeSPA to react at this point. But as you said, scandals are exposed through proper investigations, not through people spreading assumptions as if they were accepted truth. That will only bring bad things for everyone, and that's what some people are doing in this thread.

Yes, people who defend this play and the "coincidence" that there was a voided bet use many assumptions, i agree completely

I'm left speechless at such sick arguing skills.

It's a fact though, the only people with huge assumptions are the people defending his play considering we had a voided bet also.
You may not like it, but that's how it is

edit: and yes, all i have to add to this is to make fun of it, cause that's the only thing these assumptions deserve


Not really. I thought it was suspicious from the very beginning. I bet lots of people did. Just because this discussion is happening after the fact does not in any way mean people didn't have thoughts about the game that transpired. That fact that he threw down that third command is just mind boggling.

You are completely misunderstanding Red_Viper lol :D
On March 26 2015 06:56 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 06:41 hangarninetysix wrote:
There's so much discussion on whether or not MK's actions in game were suspicious. Thing is, whether they were or not, it doesn't change the fact that someone knew the outcome of the game before it was played.

Yes that is true, but most people don't understand betting and this time it is linked with gameplay. It should open more eyes, but unfortunately it doesn't.

It does, I don't see too much unreasonable defending
I Protoss winner, could it be?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 25 2015 21:59 GMT
#692
On March 26 2015 06:51 Jarree wrote:
Huk, Nathanias, Kane and Desrow favor match-fixing only based on the gameplay (not including betting patterns):

https://youtu.be/uQrNnVE9dbc?t=22m59s


HuK didn't even notice that reaper was indeed moved intentionally. I mean that's not really sick gameplay analysis.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
maGicc
Profile Joined March 2015
Finland134 Posts
March 25 2015 22:00 GMT
#693
Huk actually makes a lot of good points that i agree with, especially about nothing going on in the game, that was spot on.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 25 2015 22:05 GMT
#694
On March 26 2015 06:16 duckk wrote:
Look at when the scv scout enters the base of byul, marineking literally leans in next to his monitor to look. That alone (to me) shows that there is a legitimate chance that his vision is weak enough to mistake a spine crawler for an overlord on a minimap and to not notice the tile change of creep.

You know, the thing is, if this turns out to be true, MK's career as a progamer will basically have ended because he didn't apply his contacts properly/didn't play with glasses.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
March 25 2015 22:08 GMT
#695
On March 26 2015 06:58 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 06:56 Grizvok wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:37 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:32 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:23 Swoopae wrote:
Otherworld one thing worth noting is we're not all demanding Marineking be thrown out of progaming forever or be thrown in jail or whatever. What we're demanding is a proper investigation, because the circumstantial evidence says he is likely to be guilty. Nobody on TL has the resources to conduct a proper investigation on the ground in Korea. Pinnacle has previously agreed to be cooperative with Kespa and share their data, i'm assuming on betting patterns, IP addresses etc. Kespa have access to the replay at very least and potentially access to the players in questions computers/bank accounts to clear them or gather more evidence etc. i'm sure they could investigate properly if they wanted to, after all, the Savior scandal was exposed through a proper investigation.

If this goes unresolved and uninvestigated, opinions will vary on each implicated player's guilt or innocence, but it's obviously awful for the SC2 scene in general especially if matches continue to get cancelled after ridiculous bets are made and players heavily bet against go on to lose in suspicious fashion.

I do totally agree with you on that, and something should be done to force KeSPA to react at this point. But as you said, scandals are exposed through proper investigations, not through people spreading assumptions as if they were accepted truth. That will only bring bad things for everyone, and that's what some people are doing in this thread.

Yes, people who defend this play and the "coincidence" that there was a voided bet use many assumptions, i agree completely

I'm left speechless at such sick arguing skills.

It's a fact though, the only people with huge assumptions are the people defending his play considering we had a voided bet also.
You may not like it, but that's how it is

edit: and yes, all i have to add to this is to make fun of it, cause that's the only thing these assumptions deserve


Not really. I thought it was suspicious from the very beginning. I bet lots of people did. Just because this discussion is happening after the fact does not in any way mean people didn't have thoughts about the game that transpired. That fact that he threw down that third command is just mind boggling.

You are completely misunderstanding Red_Viper lol :D
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 06:56 Jarree wrote:
On March 26 2015 06:41 hangarninetysix wrote:
There's so much discussion on whether or not MK's actions in game were suspicious. Thing is, whether they were or not, it doesn't change the fact that someone knew the outcome of the game before it was played.

Yes that is true, but most people don't understand betting and this time it is linked with gameplay. It should open more eyes, but unfortunately it doesn't.

It does, I don't see too much unreasonable defending


Ah yes I see that I am haha. I thought he was saying people are only calling out the play because of the voided bet.
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 22:16:32
March 25 2015 22:16 GMT
#696
It's a combination of the absurd amount of money bet on Byul, many standard deviations outside of what is bet on a normal proleague match and all on the same player, combined with the way the match actually played out.

It's not conclusive, but I think it's fair to say that if Kespa don't investigate that they're turning a blind eye deliberately as an investigation is clearly warranted. I'm hoping an investigation has already been underway since the first suspicions were raised but who knows. Additionally if they do find that this match was fixed, they need to look at the other matches in question (there may be some false positives, but there is a strong chance if one match was fixed several were, and we've all identified several of the suspicious matches in question)

The video Jarree posted is worth watching by the way.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 25 2015 22:18 GMT
#697
Here I am waiting for Kespa to release findings of an investigation or at least provide transparency that there is an investigation going on

when hell freezes over amirite?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28491 Posts
March 25 2015 22:20 GMT
#698
On March 26 2015 07:18 Darkhorse wrote:
Here I am waiting for Kespa to release findings of an investigation or at least provide transparency that there is an investigation going on

when hell freezes over amirite?

You are not alone. And probably yes :/
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
March 25 2015 22:21 GMT
#699
I absolutely agree with Huk that this is by far the most suspicious game I've ever seen.
Saddest part is that regardless of guilt, the scene will be damaged.
sc2_FeaR
Profile Joined March 2015
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 22:25:57
March 25 2015 22:25 GMT
#700
Marineking. You are a moron.

Also: He's a WITCH!!! Burn him at the stake boys
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 64 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:00
Best Games of SC
Rogue vs Classic
MaxPax vs Clem
ByuN vs Clem
LiquipediaDiscussion
3D!Clan Event
16:00
Kyuub1's CHallenge 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 171
PartinGtheBigBoy 104
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 72
JulyZerg 55
Leta 44
Icarus 4
Dota 2
PGG 224
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 677
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0609
Other Games
summit1g14375
WinterStarcraft488
ViBE112
Trikslyr60
Models2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1762
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 24
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush563
Other Games
• WagamamaTV364
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
6h 20m
BSL Team A[vengers]
10h 20m
Bonyth vs Paralyze
StRyKeR vs Ample
Safe House 2
13h 20m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
Safe House 2
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Online Event
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.