Pinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 32

On March 26 2015 04:15 Big J wrote:
I've watched this game for 5years now. I've seen people make the most retarted decisions. Under the assumption that MK really just missed the spine crawler outside of the rocks, I don't see why this should be considered any worse than any proplayer trying to make Mech work vs Protoss in a serious game. Brainfarts and overconfidence are going to happen. (from the gameplay perspective; the betting is a complete other topic)

On March 26 2015 05:07 Elentos wrote:

Try? Okay. He missed the dot on his minimap, nothing to be seen at his own natural or the golds. He then projects his own greedy playstyle on to ByuL, thinking that instead of playing an all-in, the man just expanded to one of his possible 3rd bases first (yes, sometimes players do that) and is going to play a standard game from that point on. He continues to not realise that there is an enemy building on the minimap and completely ignores that there might still be an all-in, going into full MarineKing mode, adding the 3rd CC.

There. I tried. And you know what? Even if that was the legit thought process and exactly what happened, which is a .0001% chance, who would believe that story? Approximately nobody. If he's guilty, that's horrible, but if MK is actually somehow innocent, this whole debacle is also horrible, and he might end up leaving the scene either way.

On March 26 2015 05:15 Wuster wrote:


Even if we ignore the visible crawler.

I'm trying to think of a build where you have 2 reapers and keep them at home for ever.

You go double reaper to scout and put early pressure to keep his early units at home I thought.

If you suspect all-in then reapers are faster than literally every unit at that point of the game and you go look for them no? That's definitely what I see people doing with their hellions.

On March 26 2015 05:10 Swoopae wrote:
Jinorazi we get that you don't think the match was fixed. You're wrong, and you've posted factually inaccurate info in the thread that was disproven about the crawler not being seen by the reaper, but you're entitled to your opinion as nothing can be 100% conclusive here. (edit: didn't see your above post, clearly you now agree the reaper saw the crawler)

If that's the case though what explanation do you have for enormous piles of money being bet on Byul in a best of 1 as a 11-1 favourite? Is this logical behaviour from a bettor to you? Would you expect Byul to win 92+ maps in a best of 100 against Marineking? Because that is what would need to occur for the bettor not to be lighting money on fire at that point.

If the betting was manipulated, and the match wasn't fixed, what possible explanation is there in your mind? If the betting wasn't manipulated, what expertise do you have that makes your judgement similar to the world's most reputable online sportsbook?

On March 26 2015 05:16 FFW_Rude wrote:


Did you know that hunger in the world was also his fault ? Give the guy a break for god sake

On March 26 2015 05:15 Wuster wrote:


Even if we ignore the visible crawler.

I'm trying to think of a build where you have 2 reapers and keep them at home for ever.

You go double reaper to scout and put early pressure to keep his early units at home I thought.

If you suspect all-in then reapers are faster than literally every unit at that point of the game and you go look for them no? That's definitely what I see people doing with their hellions.

On March 26 2015 05:21 FFW_Rude wrote:
NVM

On March 26 2015 00:51 BisuDagger wrote:


As a colorblind person, I might not notice that.
edit:The color actually looks like neutral critters/artifacts from SC1.

On March 26 2015 05:23 duckk wrote:


It is very probable he feared zergling speed, at one point his reapers went to the low ground ( i assume to check for banes morphing and not because he is flustered that he accidentally scouted a proxy spine and has no idea what to do to lose)

Any proxy hatchery or 1 base build will lose to even greedy non ebay terran builds if they are somewhat competent. Marineking should have had his third or a depot started by the rocks is the only suspicious part for me. I would still attribute this to a misread and bad eyesight of marineking.

Also after the dark/san bets being void wouldnt they make the betting lines look less skewed if they were going to fix the match since it will just get canceled anyway?

On March 26 2015 05:25 FFW_Rude wrote:


You got the point if you read. English is not my main language so i was unsure. And realized that i didn't want to go that route.

On March 25 2015 16:56 Swoopae wrote:


This is a strong possibility as to why we haven't heard from Kespa, but so is the possibility that Kespa is doing nothing/trying to sweep it under the rug because it looks bad

On March 26 2015 05:23 Swoopae wrote:
Otherworld one thing worth noting is we're not all demanding Marineking be thrown out of progaming forever or be thrown in jail or whatever. What we're demanding is a proper investigation, because the circumstantial evidence says he is likely to be guilty. Nobody on TL has the resources to conduct a proper investigation on the ground in Korea. Pinnacle has previously agreed to be cooperative with Kespa and share their data, i'm assuming on betting patterns, IP addresses etc. Kespa have access to the replay at very least and potentially access to the players in questions computers/bank accounts to clear them or gather more evidence etc. i'm sure they could investigate properly if they wanted to, after all, the Savior scandal was exposed through a proper investigation.

If this goes unresolved and uninvestigated, opinions will vary on each implicated player's guilt or innocence, but it's obviously awful for the SC2 scene in general especially if matches continue to get cancelled after ridiculous bets are made and players heavily bet against go on to lose in suspicious fashion.