EPTPinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 28
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Tuhill
Scotland13 Posts
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
On March 26 2015 01:21 FFW_Rude wrote: Stupid question as i don't remember but... Is an overlord the same size as a constructing spine on the minimap ? I haven't played in a looooong time. The overlords doesn't show on the minimap if they are in Fog while spines do. So even if they are, it doesn't matter. See like 5.20-5.25 in the game game for the lazy + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
I could understand people being in denial because "its just some people betting/whatever shady betting site", but the combination of the both should be enough to raise suspicions even within the thickest of the members here. But it seems that its still not enough and people are even buying into the MKP's horrible acting that he is trying to sell. However, its quite obvious what really happened here : MKP is throwing the match, his plan is to go the greedy 3 CC and play sloppy/badly, most likely hoping that Byul would open standard, but instead saturating his 3rd he would bust him with roach/bane attack or something like that (Or use a 3base baneling/ling attack just like Rogue did vs MKP recently). And then Byul goes for the proxy hatch and MKP _SCOUTS_ its - and as soon as it happens he realizes he is in deep trouble - because with a proper reaction he can defend it easily and win the match. But he NEEDS to loose - therefore his only choice is to pretend that he "missed" it and sell being "caught offguard". But boy oh boy his acting is beyond horrible. Adding salt to the wound he scouted Byul with the scv and should know he is getting proxy hatch'ed from 1 base . Basically he check-mated himself by scouting the Byul's proxy. | ||
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hZCube
87 Posts
convinced kənˈvɪnst/Submit adjective completely certain about something. Cant really believe there are still "special" people who don't fully understand what the word certain, proof or convinced actually mean. FYI: Just because people say there isn't enough proof to convict, does not mean they don't believe someone did something. Judges let go people all the time, who they believe likely caused an offence, but they cannot sufficiently prove it... If, in this case, you genuinely believe you have satisfied a reasonable burden of proof to be completely certain (clue: completely means 100%..) of what happened, and you believe you have done that to a level sufficient to ruin a previously good players career. Well, then I guess we just live in a different world. I'm glad you're not a Judge. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On March 26 2015 02:49 StatixEx wrote: no. i confirm as a plat player i look at the minimap like a hawk at the start of my games cos its cheese city here and u just cant affort not to. considering how bad i am and then considering how good these people are there is no way he would of missed that on the minimap. Matchfixing, who knows, we need to know betting patterns. He could of just done a naniwa and wanted to lose for whatever reasons This isn't relevant at all... I don't see how you can compare your general sc2 experience to that of a particular player in a particular game to draw conclusions. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On March 26 2015 02:56 KingAlphard wrote: This isn't relevant at all... I don't see how you can compare your general sc2 experience to that of a particular player in a particular game to draw conclusions. Heres how would my gf, who has never played a game before, miss that/react that poorly? yeah prolly would this poster, or most of us? are we all full of shock and dismay and how uncharacteristically bad this was? i mean best case scenario its the worst case of mkp syndrome we've ever seen, which is why people are so attached to the idea, its career threatening even if hes totally innocent because how is a pro player, whose job is to prepare for that game, be that oblivious? its only natural to compare it to ones own play to try and imagine how many times we have each made this mistake, and compare it to how many games one has played vs what this pro supposedly has so it tears his fans apart, hes either guilty or woefully underperforming, thus infinite gossip | ||
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Disarmed
Austria721 Posts
On March 26 2015 02:56 KingAlphard wrote: This isn't relevant at all... I don't see how you can compare your general sc2 experience to that of a particular player in a particular game to draw conclusions. because its the same game? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 26 2015 02:19 maGicc wrote: Cant really believe there are still "special" enough people who are not yet convinced by the combination of the line movement plus the game itself. I could understand people being in denial because "its just some people betting/whatever shady betting site", but the combination of the both should be enough to raise suspicions even within the thickest of the members here. But it seems that its still not enough and people are even buying into the MKP's horrible acting that he is trying to sell. However, its quite obvious what really happened here : MKP is throwing the match, his plan is to go the greedy 3 CC and play sloppy/badly, most likely hoping that Byul would open standard, but instead saturating his 3rd he would bust him with roach/bane attack or something like that (Or use a 3base baneling/ling attack just like Rogue did vs MKP recently). And then Byul goes for the proxy hatch and MKP _SCOUTS_ its - and as soon as it happens he realizes he is in deep trouble - because with a proper reaction he can defend it easily and win the match. But he NEEDS to loose - therefore his only choice is to pretend that he "missed" it and sell being "caught offguard". But boy oh boy his acting is beyond horrible. Adding salt to the wound he scouted Byul with the scv and should know he is getting proxy hatch'ed from 1 base . Basically he check-mated himself by scouting the Byul's proxy. Can't really believe that there are still "special" enough people who have not yet understood that suspicions =/= accusations. Can't really believe either that there are people who think of themselves highly enough to pretend knowing what is "obvious" and what is not. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 26 2015 02:19 maGicc wrote: Cant really believe there are still "special" enough people who are not yet convinced by the combination of the line movement plus the game itself. I could understand people being in denial because "its just some people betting/whatever shady betting site", but the combination of the both should be enough to raise suspicions even within the thickest of the members here. But it seems that its still not enough and people are even buying into the MKP's horrible acting that he is trying to sell. However, its quite obvious what really happened here : MKP is throwing the match, his plan is to go the greedy 3 CC and play sloppy/badly, most likely hoping that Byul would open standard, but instead saturating his 3rd he would bust him with roach/bane attack or something like that (Or use a 3base baneling/ling attack just like Rogue did vs MKP recently). And then Byul goes for the proxy hatch and MKP _SCOUTS_ its - and as soon as it happens he realizes he is in deep trouble - because with a proper reaction he can defend it easily and win the match. But he NEEDS to loose - therefore his only choice is to pretend that he "missed" it and sell being "caught offguard". But boy oh boy his acting is beyond horrible. Adding salt to the wound he scouted Byul with the scv and should know he is getting proxy hatch'ed from 1 base . Basically he check-mated himself by scouting the Byul's proxy. when did mkp scout? he didnt know until it was too late, until there was already creep in his base. people are pointing out the creep tumor, its not surprising mkp missed it, plenty of progamers miss such things, i've missed it, plenty of casuals miss it. progamers aren't superhuman, except flash. from what i've seen in the game, its completely plausible he just lost that game fair and square. if anyone wants to just throw out "he threw the game because he did ___ build", well, go back to your special school. i dont think anything was wrong with that game, this is just plain o' witch hunting. game fixing in sc2? i wouldnt be surprised. was this game fixed? i think not. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 26 2015 03:57 jinorazi wrote: when did mkp scout? he didnt know until it was too late, until there was already creep in his base. people are pointing out the creep tumor, its not surprising mkp missed it, plenty of progamers miss such things, i've missed it, plenty of casuals miss it. progamers aren't superhuman, except flash. from what i've seen in the game, its completely plausible he just lost that game fair and square. if anyone wants to just throw out "he threw the game because he did ___ build", well, go back to your special school. What about his lack of reaper scouting though, while there was no risk of losing the reapers anytime soon? | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 26 2015 04:01 OtherWorld wrote: What about his lack of reaper scouting though, while there was no risk of losing the reapers anytime soon? if you question every move a progamer does, there really is no end until you find what you want to see. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
Hacks must be bad on Korea, because it looked like Marineking was scared of jumping lings. Omg, hunker down, here come the jumping lings. I wish every game was fixed and looked like this. SC 2, the first comedy esport. Hyped already. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
And i dont even want to mention that the game itself is only a one piece in this corrupted matchfixing puzzle. At this point chances that Proleague is rigged is near 100%. All the evidence is there, exept for the confessions from the guilty people. You just need to get rid of your fanboyism and "love for the esports" and you will see it. Concerning the game itself : 1) MKP knows its 1 base zerg proxy hatch build 2) There is a spine crawler visible on the MKP's minimap for 50+ seconds. 3) MKP's reapers still afk, he is not moving them around, he KNOWS its 1 base zerg build and yet he never attemps to scout the rocks? 4) There is a zerg creep in a freaking MKP's base for a good 10 seconds before he starts to reacting Not to mention that he goes 3 CC KNOWING its 1 base proxy hatch without getting a single bunker and then attempts his horrible acting when its already too late. There is a below 1% chance that the match was legit. | ||
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hZCube
87 Posts
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On March 26 2015 04:09 hZCube wrote: As I say maGicc, I strongly recommend you don't pursue a career in the legal profession. Noone really cares what you say because its clear as a day that you are delusional as fuck. User was warned for this post | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 26 2015 04:09 hZCube wrote: As I say maGicc, I strongly recommend you don't pursue a career in the legal profession. :D On March 26 2015 04:12 maGicc wrote: Noone really cares what you say because its clear as a day that you are delusional as fuck. Wow, show some respect. You can express your opinion that this match is fixed and that matchfixing is going on without saying that everyone not having your opinion is stupid (oh, sorry, "special") or asserting things as if they were the absolute truth. | ||
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