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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:34 Phredxor wrote: It matters hugely. Sponsors would leave, game will die in Korea, meaning no more SC2 e-sports.  Plenty of sponsors in pro-wrestling, yet everyone on both sides know its fake. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
So I'm not really concerned with those people losing money, if a striving betting scene is the only way SC2 has to live on, better to let it die. I'm way more concerned with the loss of competitive legitimacy, obviously. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:37 asongdotnet wrote: Except people don't bet real money on fake wrestling. Try a better analogy next time I'm not saying that's how it is now, but it's how it might have to be, if players are to make a living at the game. | ||
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SCC-Just
United States38 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:26 ZenithM wrote: Read again. I said I was disappointed. THEN I added that even if he was innocent, he would still be a bad player, which isn't a consolation. I'll let the rest of the personal attacks slide... "Just" my ass. "Wouldn't be much of a consolation." Which insinuates that you don't really care about his guilt that much, and that you care much more about the fact that he played poorly. That is absurd. Anyways, everything else I said still stands. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:42 ElMeanYo wrote: Plenty of sponsors in pro-wrestling, yet everyone on both sides know its fake. Knowing it's fake and just entertainment. SC2 is meant to an e-sport. Maybe it could potentially find new sponsors who didn't care, but I seriously doubt it. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:32 ElMeanYo wrote: Guys, does it really matter if match fixing is rampant? I mean, look at pro-wrestling. Everyone knows its fake but it is still hugely popular with millions of fans. It's all a show, you just have to use your imagination and pretend it isn't fantasy. I like to think that people who watch video game contests are there to see the best play and the sickest shit that blows everyone's minds, instead of the usual sports / reality tv / celebrity culture bull shit. I don't want esports to become just another format of bland mainstream entertainment, where half the time people are watching it for the dumb drama and choreographed crap, where half the audience are there just to laugh at how terrible the actors / athletes involved in it are. And if it gets to that point I wouldn't be surprised to see the same behavior out of Maru or Life as you see out of college football quarterbacks and reality TV "stars" and shitty pop musicians, is that really what you want? Really? Do you really WANT that? | ||
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SCC-Just
United States38 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:42 ElMeanYo wrote: Plenty of sponsors in pro-wrestling, yet everyone on both sides know its fake. The difference is that pro-wrestling is sold as entertainment, whereas Starcraft is sold as a competition. You can't have match fixing in a competition for obvious reasons. | ||
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ETisME
12363 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:37 asongdotnet wrote: Except people don't bet real money on fake wrestling. Try a better analogy next time I think there are betting sites for WWE? Anyone can confirm? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:49 Caihead wrote: I like to think that people who watch video game contests are there to see the best play and the sickest shit that blows everyone's minds, instead of the usual sports / reality tv / celebrity culture bull shit. I don't want esports to become just another format of bland mainstream entertainment, where half the time people are watching it for the dumb drama and choreographed crap, where half the audience are there just to laugh at how terrible the actors / athletes involved in it are. And if it gets to that point I wouldn't be surprised to see the same behavior out of Maru or Life as you see out of college football quarterbacks and reality TV "stars" and shitty pop musicians, is that really what you want? Really? Do you really WANT that? You are correct, I don't want that. But I'd rather have that than have it die completely. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
I just hope we get meaningful resolution eventually, one way or another. I really hope it's just sucky play and crazy bettors, but if there actually is match-fixing, it's better to know and sweep them all out than to be left in a state of suspicion or denial... Kespa, don't just sweep this under the rug, investigate! And if you conclude there was no match fixing after all, let us know! Anything is better than silence... | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:52 ETisME wrote: I think there are betting sites for WWE? Anyone can confirm? I mean you can make bets but since its a scripted thing there's a limit of like 50 or so dollars.you can't bet large amounts of money on something that has a predetermined outcome. same thing with stuff like tv show plots and the like. at least in the US. cant find a source for this but I remember reading it in the bleacherreport wwe forums a while back | ||
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Supersamu
Germany296 Posts
Isn't there a Kespa official in the booth with the players when they are playing a Proleague match? Wouldn't that Person have seen whether Marineking did anything unusual as well? | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On March 25 2015 14:03 Supersamu wrote: All the people talking about how they want to see Marineking's first Person view: Isn't there a Kespa official in the booth with the players when they are playing a Proleague match? Wouldn't that Person have seen whether Marineking did anything unusual as well? I don't see how it's physically possible for a guy in the booth to simultaneously focus on exactly where marineking is looking and where that is on the screen. (If your looking at a player's eyes your not looking at the screen and if your looking at the screen your not watching the eyes.) I mean you could use eye tracker technology i guess but thats possibly incredibly expensive and still doesn't answer the question of if he's registering what he's looking at properly or not. Plus I'm not sure that would even prove guilt. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On March 25 2015 14:03 Supersamu wrote: All the people talking about how they want to see Marineking's first Person view: Isn't there a Kespa official in the booth with the players when they are playing a Proleague match? Wouldn't that Person have seen whether Marineking did anything unusual as well? Perhaps but could the Kespa official see the dot on the minimap standing way back where he is? | ||
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ETisME
12363 Posts
On March 25 2015 14:03 Supersamu wrote: All the people talking about how they want to see Marineking's first Person view: Isn't there a Kespa official in the booth with the players when they are playing a Proleague match? Wouldn't that Person have seen whether Marineking did anything unusual as well? I guess the question is what should be considered unnatural. | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
Hopefully this pushes Olimoley & Richard Lewis to enlighten us sooner rather than later. If you're reading this forum Olimoley, tell CranK I love him, and please release something soon! Do not keep us in the Dark (pun intended hue hue fighting <3). | ||
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[Erasmus]
Australia286 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:31 darthfoley wrote: This is so sad. I've been a MK fan for a while but this looks so obvious. The only possible clean explanation is the assumed overlord, which may be possible, but even so-- I fear MK's days in SC2 are way over. I agree with others; I can understand the play but not the betting lines It's possible that if MK has been sick/massively lacking in confidence/under a lot of pressure from his coaches to stop playing super greedy and dying to stupid things that he's been performing terribly, and this information could leak (the commentators always seem to know a bit about the team house rankings etc.) which could lead to the betting lines. His ranting on facebook afterwards doesn't sound like someone in a good mental state... The whole thing is weird, but it's not proven. Don't need to go victimising the dude until someone has done a proper investigation to figure out wtf is going on. | ||
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oBlade
United States5500 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
I'm really, really fucking scared that this is true, and Rekrul's track record regarding this exact situation is fucking obscenely good. I don't know whether MKP is innocent or not. On the one hand, it seems like the kind of mistake I could make. On the other hand, it seems like the kind of mistake I could make. Progamers are supposed to be better than that, but I suppose that this IS MarineKong. On March 25 2015 12:58 HungrySC2 wrote: There is another scenario that to me seems just as, if not more likely than, marineking throwing the game. It's likely that someone found out what build Byul was going to use against Marineking. If I found out Byul was going to use a strategy like that against marineking I'd bet everything on Byul to. That is also a very good point. | ||
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