EPTPinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 15
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
I agree with others; I can understand the play but not the betting lines | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:31 darthfoley wrote: This is so sad. I've been a MK fan for a while but this looks so obvious. The only possible clean explanation is the assumed overlord, which may be possible, but even so-- I fear MK's days in SC2 are way over. I agree with others; I can understand the play but not the betting lines The combination isn't pretty... | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
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Rinny
United States616 Posts
These guys are told by their coaches and sponsors their only self worth comes from winning... what do you do when you stop winning and you have nowhere to go? | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:48 Rinny wrote: Going to defend MKP a bit here under assumption he is guilty. These guys drop out when they are 14, alienate their families, and get fucked over by KeSPA with slave contracts.They are like NFL players from the U.S except NFL players get to finish high school.. and they are compensated decently. These guys are told by their coaches and sponsors their only self worth comes from winning... what do you do when you stop winning and you have nowhere to go? Uh, back to school? He's only like 20 or whatever. He could easily join back up to university especially with his prize money if he has saved any, and continue on with his life. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:48 Rinny wrote: Going to defend MKP a bit here under assumption he is guilty. These guys drop out when they are 14, alienate their families, and get fucked over by KeSPA with slave contracts.They are like NFL players from the U.S except NFL players get to finish high school.. and they are compensated decently. These guys are told by their coaches and sponsors their only self worth comes from winning... what do you do when you stop winning and you have nowhere to go? Wtf? Are you implying that KeSPA team players do not get to go to the school? This is how bad rumors start. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:48 Rinny wrote: Going to defend MKP a bit here under assumption he is guilty. These guys drop out when they are 14, alienate their families, and get fucked over by KeSPA with slave contracts.They are like NFL players from the U.S except NFL players get to finish high school.. and they are compensated decently. These guys are told by their coaches and sponsors their only self worth comes from winning... what do you do when you stop winning and you have nowhere to go? There should be no judgment of value on MarineKing as a person when we say that he was likely involved in match fixing in this case (at least I'd like to think there should be none from the more reasonable members of the community). He was likely pressured into it in some shape or form. You'll always hear people who didn't like him to begin with and like to cheer for the flavor-of-the-month winners say that it's no wonder he match-fixed because he's a trash player, scum of the earth and all that. It's probably over for him now, so I for one will try to remember when he was legit and forget his tainted end. But man, I'm still disappointed and sad :/. And even if he's innocent, it was pretty horrendous play anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a consolation. | ||
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Rinny
United States616 Posts
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
It's likely that someone found out what build Byul was going to use against Marineking. If I found out Byul was going to use a strategy like that against marineking I'd bet everything on Byul to. | ||
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SCC-Just
United States38 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:57 ZenithM wrote: There should be no judgment of value on MarineKing as a person when we say that he was likely involved in match fixing in this case (at least I'd like to think there should be none from the more reasonable members of the community). He was likely pressured into it in some shape or form. You'll always hear people who didn't like him to begin with and like to cheer for the flavor-of-the-month winners say that it's no wonder he match-fixed because he's a trash player, scum of the earth and all that. It's probably over for him now, so I for one will try to remember when he was legit and forget his tainted end. But man, I'm still disappointed and sad :/. And even if he's innocent, it was pretty horrendous play anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a consolation. Are you fucking kidding me? The guy literally chooses to fuck over people who bet on him, some of whom could possibly be his fans, trash the integrity of an entire gaming scene, and purposefully throw a match for his own profit, and we're not supposed to judge his character based off that, just because he might have been pressured into it? Fuck that. People that throw are literally fucking somebody else over for their own gain. That is pretty fucking despicable if you ask me. It isn't like MKP is 12 when peer pressure is such a tough thing to say no to. The guy is 20, and unless his family is being held hostage, then he should have fucking said no. I wouldn't even have to think twice about it. Instead he chose the money and fucked over every fan of his in the process, along with KeSPA, and whatever integrity Starcraft has. Also the fact that it was just him playing shitty that makes you disappointed shows that you either also have very questionable morals, didn't think about the possible consequences of MKP's actions for a very long time, or are 12. Take your pick. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:58 HungrySC2 wrote: There is another scenario that to me seems just as, if not more likely than, marineking throwing the game. It's likely that someone found out what build Byul was going to use against Marineking. If I found out Byul was going to use a strategy like that against marineking I'd bet everything on Byul to. And you would have lost everything, had Marine King only been paying attention to his reaper, which coincidentally moved down from the CC positioning!! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 25 2015 12:27 TBone- wrote: Hope we get an investigation from Kespa. Doubt it, who knows maybe even (some corrupt people of) Kepsa get money from those bettors to fix. I definitely can believe this was fixed. I mean, after the scandal with Olimoley it was clear that a lot of money in the korean small scene came from shady sponsors. So why not also in bigger tournaments? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:13 SCC-Just wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? The guy literally chooses to fuck over people who bet on him, some of whom could possibly be his fans, trash the integrity of an entire gaming scene, and purposefully throw a match for his own profit, and we're not supposed to judge his character based off that, just because he might have been pressured into it? Fuck that. People that throw are literally fucking somebody else over for their own gain. That is pretty fucking despicable if you ask me. It isn't like MKP is 12 when peer pressure is such a tough thing to say no to. The guy is 20, and unless his family is being held hostage, then he should have fucking said no. I wouldn't even have to think twice about it. Instead he chose the money and fucked over every fan of his in the process, along with KeSPA, and whatever integrity Starcraft has. Also the fact that it was just him playing shitty that makes you disappointed shows that you either also have very questionable morals, didn't think about the possible consequences of MKP's actions for a very long time, or are 12. Take your pick. Read again. I said I was disappointed. THEN I added that even if he was innocent, he would still be a bad player, which isn't a consolation. I'll let the rest of the personal attacks slide... "Just" my ass. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
It's all a show, you just have to use your imagination and pretend it isn't fantasy. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:32 ElMeanYo wrote: Guys, does it really matter if match fixing is rampant? I mean, look at pro-wrestling. Everyone knows its fake but it is still hugely popular with millions of fans. It's all a show, you just have to use your imagination and pretend it isn't fantasy. It matters hugely. Sponsors would leave, game will die in Korea, meaning no more SC2 e-sports.  | ||
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
If anything marineking is the most likely player to lose games in idiotic, bronze league, and heartbreaking ways. His recent losses in GSL are proof enough. The track record of terrible play exists. Maybe he threw those games to. It doesn't surprise me at all that he didn't pay attention to the red on the minimap. If he doesn't have a marine he can't do anything about a flying unit therefore there is nothing I can do about it. What else would be there at that time in the game. The pool literally just finished. I don't know what happened, but I can see how marineking can mess up that badly. He's done it before. Just never in such a humiliating way. I still think the alternative that someone found out what build Byul was going to use is a more likely explanation. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:32 ElMeanYo wrote: Guys, does it really matter if match fixing is rampant? I mean, look at pro-wrestling. Everyone knows its fake but it is still hugely popular with millions of fans. It's all a show, you just have to use your imagination and pretend it isn't fantasy. Except people don't bet real money on fake wrestling. Try a better analogy next time | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 25 2015 13:32 ElMeanYo wrote: Guys, does it really matter if match fixing is rampant? I mean, look at pro-wrestling. Everyone knows its fake but it is still hugely popular with millions of fans. It's all a show, you just have to use your imagination and pretend it isn't fantasy. Yes. Yes it is. If match fixing is rampant it totally cheapens the competition. Part of the reason people even watch professional starcraft is for the storylines and to see their race or their favorite players/teams win. sc2 doesn't partially rely on the personalities of their competitors for entertainment nor comedic value like the WWE. If it's secretly on the rails in the shadows what's the point in even watching? | ||
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