How do you people that STILL post this shit, haven't already learned that this doesn't affect GSL? Holy shit seriously.
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
How do you people that STILL post this shit, haven't already learned that this doesn't affect GSL? Holy shit seriously. | ||
gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On March 13 2015 19:40 graNite wrote: i dont get why they wouldnt make 720p free. they get enough money from sponsored ads and twitch already, why the extra subscriptions? How do you know this? | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:38 Keeemy wrote: Yeeeesss How do you people that STILL post this shit, haven't already learned that this doesn't affect GSL? Holy shit seriously. On March 13 2015 19:58 Meffyx wrote: Source: http://opcdn.battle.net/static/wcs/public/downloads/wcs-player-handbook-v1.1.1.pdf Jintoss does an excellent job of leaving the unconvenient information away. | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Redditpropaganda. Get me those financial statements pls! | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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SnesTea
United States11 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Now when they stopped with that I will probably sub them just to show them what kind of decisions garners support and which doesn't. I don't mind paying for GSL but not when they treat their foriegn fans like shit while sucking up to the korean crowd. | ||
duyhotan2000
Vietnam39 Posts
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:42 SC2Toastie wrote: Redditpropaganda. Get me those financial statements pls! count the people in chat with subscribtions and multiply with the costs moreover, read about twitch streamers and their revenue. and then calculate a bit what they get alone from twitch. then realize that it costs them nothing extra to have 720p for free | ||
shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
They will only increase the stream resolution hence the "medium quality" but meanwhile they will not change the Bitrate, they will still run under a bilinear filter, the buffer size is not gonna change, the buffering time will not change either...There's also a fuckton of other little tweaks that they will not enable. This is gonna look like shit, i could give you 1080p and it would still look like shit if i didn't change the setting accordingly and then i could make you buy the so called "source" mode where i actually enabled some option. Screw ya marketing team. | ||
Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:50 graNite wrote: count the people in chat with subscribtions and multiply with the costs moreover, read about twitch streamers and their revenue. and then calculate a bit what they get alone from twitch. then realize that it costs them nothing extra to have 720p for free Not the point, the interesting stat is how many subs have they gained and how many viewers have they lost from the change if any. | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:45 Shuffleblade wrote: People are not entitled to free 720p and that is not what people are saying, they are saying that this is working against the growth of SC2 and is just a cheap ass way of trying to coax people into giving them money. I wouldn't mind subbing GSL and I have before! But not this season when they fucked us over and only gave low quality for free. Now when they stopped with that I will probably sub them just to show them what kind of decisions garners support and which doesn't. I don't mind paying for GSL but not when they treat their foriegn fans like shit while sucking up to the korean crowd. Whining on every single forum you can find that you are angry people dare asking 15 bucks for (assuming 1 hour/series here) approx. 40+20+4+2+1 = 67 hours of Code S (excluding hype content/interview/swarm host games, it's close to double this in total broadcast time). Well... I simply don't understand that, sorry. Medium quality is obviously good, but on the other hand, they give every first game of a series for free as well. The 'you're screwing newcomers' argument is rubbish. People that are new to the scene don't go to the highest level Korean competitive tournament without somebody pointing them that way. And even if they do, there's plenty of tournament Blizzards forces to be free. Sad thing is, internet cheapskates would rather have a company go bankrupt than just pay a tiny amount of money for the best content they can get. | ||
gyrus
United States53 Posts
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AxiomBlurr
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:50 graNite wrote: count the people in chat with subscribtions and multiply with the costs moreover, read about twitch streamers and their revenue. and then calculate a bit what they get alone from twitch. then realize that it costs them nothing extra to have 720p for free This is bullshit. The people that refuse to pay for the subscribtion are also more than likely to use adblock. You know that. Also, those people with subscribtions shouldn't have to pay because other people are cheap fucks. Also, I already mentioned this, but the fact a company is profitable is not a reason for them to give you stuff for free. Also, you conveniently ignore the massive costs Gom has to pay for as well. There's 5 casters, 2 observers, referees, make-up staff, they need to pay utilities, have incredible computers, pay for their venue, marketing costs. Do you understand what a business is like, because you just seem to be bullshitting your way around questions without giving your made-up answers proper thought. On March 13 2015 20:52 shid0x wrote: This is just marketing bullshit, i know excatly what will GSL do : They will only increase the stream resolution hence the "medium quality" but meanwhile they will not change the Bitrate, they will still run under a bilinear filter, the buffer size is not gonna change, the buffering time will not change either...There's also a fuckton of other little tweaks that they will not enable. This is gonna look like shit, i could give you 1080p and it would still look like shit if i didn't change the setting accordingly and then i could make you buy the so called "source" mode where i actually enabled some option. Screw ya marketing team. This is a idiotic post and you know it. How can you complain and judge them for saying they'll give you better quality FOR FREE FFS and you are already whining on how they'll screw you over (they aren't. You feel entitled to a certain level of service and there is no single reason Gom is obliged to give you that). | ||
KtJ
United States3514 Posts
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hfsrj
Germany166 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:54 SC2Toastie wrote: Whining on every single forum you can find that you are angry people dare asking 15 bucks for (assuming 1 hour/series here) approx. 40+20+4+2+1 = 67 hours of Code S (excluding hype content/interview/swarm host games, it's close to double this in total broadcast time). Well... I simply don't understand that, sorry. Medium quality is obviously good, but on the other hand, they give every first game of a series for free as well. The 'you're screwing newcomers' argument is rubbish. People that are new to the scene don't go to the highest level Korean competitive tournament without somebody pointing them that way. And even if they do, there's plenty of tournament Blizzards forces to be free. Sad thing is, internet cheapskates would rather have a company go bankrupt than just pay a tiny amount of money for the best content they can get. Yep no better. If they give high qual and VOD for free, they're not gonna make much dough - adds only go so far. There is therefore a cost to giving medium to high quality. I'm paying GSL for like 2 or 3 years now, and the bang for the buck is real, though it was better before as they had the gom player. They need to make a better job at having a page like SC2casts but on the gsl, and rapidly updated. Overall still real good. | ||
KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
On March 13 2015 20:45 Shuffleblade wrote: I don't mind paying for GSL but not when they treat their foriegn fans like shit while sucking up to the korean crowd. That Korean crowd is where they get the most money from. GSL is a Korean league with Korean sponsors that operate in Korea. Advertising revenue/sponsor revenue is not going to be anywhere near as high if it's even in existence, GOM show around what? 2 ads for products and those ads are rather crappily translated versions of the Korean ones for the same product which are for hardware. While I agree low quality was a kick in the nuts for fans, they're going back to free medium which isn't that bad. They need revenue from the foreign scene and the only way to do that is with the subscriptions because they sure as hell aren't getting enough from ads either from their in-stream ads or from twitch (chances are most people also use adblock on twitch.) Also, before people start bringing up SpoTV and the fact they provide high quality streams. SpoTV are much larger than GOM, they're a sports network that also cover more conventional sports. They're going to have a lot more income/revenue to be able to provide a higher quality stream/free access to vods right after the matches. | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 13 2015 21:03 hfsrj wrote: Yep no better. If they give high qual and VOD for free, they're not gonna make much dough - adds only go so far. There is therefore a cost to giving medium to high quality. I'm paying GSL for like 2 or 3 years now, and the bang for the buck is real, though it was better before as they had the gom player. They need to make a better job at having a page like SC2casts but on the gsl, and rapidly updated. Overall still real good. On March 13 2015 21:04 KatatoniK wrote: That Korean crowd is where they get the most money from. GSL is a Korean league with Korean sponsors that operate in Korea. Advertising revenue/sponsor revenue is not going to be anywhere near as high if it's even in existence, GOM show around what? 2 ads for products and those ads are rather crappily translated versions of the Korean ones for the same product which are for hardware. While I agree low quality was a kick in the nuts for fans, they're going back to free medium which isn't that bad. They need revenue from the foreign scene and the only way to do that is with the subscriptions because they sure as hell aren't getting enough from ads either from their in-stream ads or from twitch (chances are most people also use adblock on twitch.) Also, before people start bringing up SpoTV and the fact they provide high quality streams. SpoTV are much larger than GOM, they're a sports network that also cover more conventional sports. They're going to have a lot more income/revenue to be able to provide a higher quality stream/free access to vods right after the matches. Exactly. Exactly! I find it kinda sad actually, all the complaints regarding this subject and nobody who can properly defend why they should get free, high-quality service. | ||
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