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They're experimenting with different business models. Whatever makes them strong and sustainable is okay with me. I just won't watch the low quality, and I can't subscribe to a broadcast that happens at 3am :p
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On March 15 2015 03:19 HewTheTitan wrote:
They're experimenting with different business models. Whatever makes them strong and sustainable is okay with me. I just won't watch the low quality, and I can't subscribe to a broadcast that happens at 3am :p
These are the two major barriers the GSL has to overcome in order to retain global viewership. Regardless of the other factors involved(Azubu etc throwing money at their tournaments), it is definitely hurting their viewership to have their stream in such low quality and paywalled VODs. At some point, people just shrug their shoulders and say 'well I can see these players in other tournaments, it's just not that important to me to watch the GSL'. And that's death for the global stream.
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Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!.
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It's like inflation. The more quality nonsubs get for FREE the less VALUE subs get for their money.
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On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!.
I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone...
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On March 14 2015 09:25 nanaoei wrote:
Why do you always act surprised or even negative about the things we're given when it could cease to exist at any moment? Because you think you are better at finances and managing a company's direction? Because you think the solution is so simple that with a flick of a switch, they could make everyone happy?
Do you really think that they haven't thought about all this?
this, and this:
On March 15 2015 03:19 HewTheTitan wrote:
They're experimenting with different business models. Whatever makes them strong and sustainable is okay with me.
..are posts i strongly agree with
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On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone...
I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews.
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I can't understand how people can chalk this off to "experimenting with different business models" when it will clearly be detrimental to GSL in the long (or not so long) run. GSL is the only stream with paywalled quality that I know of. This might get some people to sub for higher quality out of frustration, but any new viewers who are not committed to watching will just leave.
About a week ago, the gsl rep in chat said something like "So, do you think if we change it back to medium, that people will stop whining?" They only want to get as many people to pay as possible without as huge of a backlash as the low has had. Maybe if they had free source like EVERY other stream, people would sub to support their quality content rather than to be able to read the numbers.
I think it's tragic that all the hard work of tastosis, the gsl production crew, and all the players is wasted and displayed in low / medium quality because gsl is trying to force people to sub. Why is the Korean stream free in Source if making it low quality would make them more money?
What the subs / gsl sympathizers have to understand here is that people are critiquing GSL because they care about it. GSL is one of the best displays of pro SC2 out there, and it could be a powerful tool for fueling interest in the game. However, at low quality, only a few diehard nerds are left reluctantly watching the stream.
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On March 15 2015 20:10 RedRevolution wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone... I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews.
Sorry, re-read his sentence and how each word in put next to each other. If you think it's ok then you're the one that need to have stuff re-explained to him.
But anyway don't think BerkmanZ did this intentionnaly, it was obviously just poor phrasing.
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On March 16 2015 01:40 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 20:10 RedRevolution wrote:On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone... I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews. Sorry, re-read his sentence and how each word in put next to each other. If you think it's ok then you're the one that need to have stuff re-explained to him. But anyway don't think BerkmanZ did this intentionnaly, it was obviously just poor phrasing.
Guys, calling someone a "Jew" is an insult, and people in GSL's chat say it every other comment. So, if you guys are desensitized to it then i feel bad for you. But "jew" is something nazis called us and should never be used in normal speech. I would compare the word JEW to the N word which I wont even say.
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When twitch is on low quality, do we all see the same thing? Because I get what I need from low quality. But, medium is nice too. Danke :D
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On March 16 2015 01:40 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 20:10 RedRevolution wrote:On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone... I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews. Sorry, re-read his sentence and how each word in put next to each other. If you think it's ok then you're the one that need to have stuff re-explained to him. But anyway don't think BerkmanZ did this intentionnaly, it was obviously just poor phrasing.
Gwava, you're missing something very obvious. Calling someone (in this case a company) a Jew for perceived stinginess can be highly offensive.
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meh, kespa tournaments are free hd.
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OMFG, the scariest thing just happened, I was reading this and he mentioned this chat happened during the GSL rebroadcast. I was thinkin damn I hope theres a rebroadcast of the quarterfinals, Life vs herO, since I fell asleep right before it started (i'm on the west coast). And right while I was thinkin that my phone dings, New email, 6:33am PST, "GSL just went live" rebroadcast of herO vs Life. like wtf, what are the odds?! lol anyway, I just had to share that, so random. Guess i'll buy a lottery ticket today,
Cheers!
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Apparently they refuse to make the stream medium quality, today's stream was unwatchable and capped at low  .
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i buy the light ticket, because i'm not staying up to watch it at the break of dawn in potato quality
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On March 17 2015 01:21 BerkmanZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 01:40 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 20:10 RedRevolution wrote:On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone... I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews. Sorry, re-read his sentence and how each word in put next to each other. If you think it's ok then you're the one that need to have stuff re-explained to him. But anyway don't think BerkmanZ did this intentionnaly, it was obviously just poor phrasing. Guys, calling someone a "Jew" is an insult, and people in GSL's chat say it every other comment. So, if you guys are desensitized to it then i feel bad for you. But "jew" is something nazis called us and should never be used in normal speech. I would compare the word JEW to the N word which I wont even say.
Dafuq? Is this guy for real?
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On April 16 2015 05:45 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 01:21 BerkmanZ wrote:On March 16 2015 01:40 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 20:10 RedRevolution wrote:On March 15 2015 19:41 Gwavajuice wrote:On March 15 2015 18:29 BerkmanZ wrote:
Actually im pretty sure they did it because the moderators and the man behind the twitch ID "gsl" begged for them to offer medium because of the HUGE amount of complaining going on in the chat.
As a moderator for the GSL twitch chat I can tell you that people are saying horrible things about GSL calling them "money-grubbing whores"," Jews" etc.
I dont understand how people think its okay to say things like this. If you go to work dont you want ot get paid for the work you do? GSL could just fire Tasteless and Artosis and do away with broadcasting in english completely if it they wanted to. So i think subscribing would help them continue producing the english content.
I don't get why people say " I would sub if they werent being greedy" that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You WOULD sub if they werent only allowing medium qual? Then what do people who sub get? some emotes? that is stupid. Obviously they only offer medium to nonsubs, so that when you DO sub you feel like you're actually getting something for your money and not just some emote to use in twith chat! WOW LOGIC!. I get your point, but when reading you, it sounds like you think "Jew" is an insult and an "horrible thing" to say of someone... I don't know where you learned about right and wrong, but using the word "Jew" as an insult is actually a horrible thing to say. I can't believe that we need to explain to you that using the word "Jew" in that context is both racist to Jews and offensive to non-Jews. Sorry, re-read his sentence and how each word in put next to each other. If you think it's ok then you're the one that need to have stuff re-explained to him. But anyway don't think BerkmanZ did this intentionnaly, it was obviously just poor phrasing. Guys, calling someone a "Jew" is an insult, and people in GSL's chat say it every other comment. So, if you guys are desensitized to it then i feel bad for you. But "jew" is something nazis called us and should never be used in normal speech. I would compare the word JEW to the N word which I wont even say. Dafuq? Is this guy for real?
'Jew' is obviously pejorative in context - and it *is* used pejoratively - but his comment about Nazi's calling Jews, 'Jew', and that being equivalent to the historical use of 'nigger' (use / mention distinction, please) is odd.
On topic: I'll start taking the whining more seriously when it takes a form other than a veiled complaint about having to pay ('medium or rito!' in double speak is, 'what? I have to PAY?!!?'). Welcome to the rest of the world. Now hang on as I go harass Sky sports on Twitter and tell them that SPL offers a free 'high' quality stream, and so I should get the same from them.
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I like how I can't watch GSL in acceptable quality, because apparently I can't subscribe from Hungary, even if I would like to...
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I subbed last season so I could be mistaken but low this season doesn't seem too awful does it?
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