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IAmBelieve
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada70 Posts
March 13 2015 23:44 GMT
#141
i don't think most people understand here how little suport blizzard gives, GOMTV is burning cash, they will go bankrupt soon if things don't change
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
March 13 2015 23:49 GMT
#142
Still a fucking joke. It's 2015 people, you really can't be paywalling higher quality options and vods anymore. There's proleague and NSSL for koreans, we're fucking good for koreans, you're not special anymore GSL.

Grumble.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
March 13 2015 23:55 GMT
#143
On March 14 2015 08:44 IAmBelieve wrote:
i don't think most people understand here how little suport blizzard gives, GOMTV is burning cash, they will go bankrupt soon if things don't change

If they go bankrupt, then they are clearly doing something wrong with their operations, whether it be running not efficiently or something. I had to do a case study on SkyWest for one of my courses and its competitor, Pinnacle appeared to be doing everything right according to the data provided in the case. However funny would you know, Pinnacle went bankrupt a year later while SkyWest is still around.

To get back at GOMEXP. ESL had to shut down "half" its SC2 operations because of WCS America and WCS Europe merging into WCS Foreigner. They are still able to provide free 720P streams because they still appeal to the public and am able to generate sufficient advertisement revenue because there are sufficient people watching. By forcing people to subscribe to GSL, GOMEXP forced a lot of people to stop watching their GSL and turn to pirating instead. Take a look at Starleague. They have free 720P stream, and 1080P on Azubu. Look at the LR activity on Starleague compared to GSL. Free 720P goes a long way at attracting viewers.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
March 14 2015 00:25 GMT
#144
Let's just say that GSL and GomEXP will be gone one day because the company isn't financially solvent, or simply because it's just not worth it anymore.

All the quality haters are going to come out of the woodworks (like here and now) and cackle at how right they were and how they all predicted it.

who. the. fuck. cares.

you're missing good starcraft because you can't deal with pixelation and because you feel this company chose to mess up your entirely free experience of it through the lesser quality.

I don't know where you came from, but we're privileged to be able to see this content in english. We asked and pleaded for it as a foreign community. They decided, yes, we'll invest many resources into providing this to the rest of the world even when they can't purchase from the companies that put money in our wallets and make this all possible. So how do we even contribute to lessen the costs and make it even worth making this content for the english speaking viewers?
Well fuck, guess how.

Why do you always act surprised or even negative about the things we're given when it could cease to exist at any moment? Because you think you are better at finances and managing a company's direction? Because you think the solution is so simple that with a flick of a switch, they could make everyone happy?
Do you really think that they haven't thought about all this?
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duckTemplar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States206 Posts
March 14 2015 00:45 GMT
#145
Big Deal!!!! (In sarcasm___)
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ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
March 14 2015 02:40 GMT
#146
At last.
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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 03:18:29
March 14 2015 03:18 GMT
#147
Rofl @ Medium. Still don't get it = confirmed. Truly amazing. It's like they are genuinely incapable of learning from the entirety of the industry they are a part of.
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Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
March 14 2015 05:56 GMT
#148
On March 14 2015 09:25 nanaoei wrote:
Let's just say that GSL and GomEXP will be gone one day because the company isn't financially solvent, or simply because it's just not worth it anymore.

All the quality haters are going to come out of the woodworks (like here and now) and cackle at how right they were and how they all predicted it.

who. the. fuck. cares.

you're missing good starcraft because you can't deal with pixelation and because you feel this company chose to mess up your entirely free experience of it through the lesser quality.

I don't know where you came from, but we're privileged to be able to see this content in english. We asked and pleaded for it as a foreign community. They decided, yes, we'll invest many resources into providing this to the rest of the world even when they can't purchase from the companies that put money in our wallets and make this all possible. So how do we even contribute to lessen the costs and make it even worth making this content for the english speaking viewers?
Well fuck, guess how.

Why do you always act surprised or even negative about the things we're given when it could cease to exist at any moment? Because you think you are better at finances and managing a company's direction? Because you think the solution is so simple that with a flick of a switch, they could make everyone happy?
Do you really think that they haven't thought about all this?



Great way to think of it.
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
March 14 2015 06:12 GMT
#149
How generous of them.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
March 14 2015 06:16 GMT
#150
On March 14 2015 08:55 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2015 08:44 IAmBelieve wrote:
i don't think most people understand here how little suport blizzard gives, GOMTV is burning cash, they will go bankrupt soon if things don't change

If they go bankrupt, then they are clearly doing something wrong with their operations, whether it be running not efficiently or something. I had to do a case study on SkyWest for one of my courses and its competitor, Pinnacle appeared to be doing everything right according to the data provided in the case. However funny would you know, Pinnacle went bankrupt a year later while SkyWest is still around.

To get back at GOMEXP. ESL had to shut down "half" its SC2 operations because of WCS America and WCS Europe merging into WCS Foreigner. They are still able to provide free 720P streams because they still appeal to the public and am able to generate sufficient advertisement revenue because there are sufficient people watching. By forcing people to subscribe to GSL, GOMEXP forced a lot of people to stop watching their GSL and turn to pirating instead. Take a look at Starleague. They have free 720P stream, and 1080P on Azubu. Look at the LR activity on Starleague compared to GSL. Free 720P goes a long way at attracting viewers.


Spotv, Azubu, Kespa burn shit ton of money on SC2 as well. The difference is that they can afford to lose money doing sc2 as a whole company / organization, while having their own reasons to support sc2. It's quite unfair to compare anything they do to what Gom does.
asti009asti
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom6 Posts
March 14 2015 09:05 GMT
#151
i think they are switching to medium as they have upgraded the hardware which does not anymore support streaming any lower the medium :-D lol... i am sure there is a reason guys :-)
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 14 2015 11:03 GMT
#152
On March 13 2015 19:38 neptunusfisk wrote:
Yay medium, very nice ._.


In Korea, vods and streams are free.. but they region block the KR videos? And whine about production cost? It is not like it will cost them anything to NOT region block the KR vods... maybe the increased viewership can make them afford artosis?

[image loading]


Where are the KR vods for GSL?
There are plenty youtube download sites that you could circumvent the region restriction.
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H0i
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands484 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 13:15:12
March 14 2015 13:14 GMT
#153
On March 14 2015 09:25 nanaoei wrote:
Let's just say that GSL and GomEXP will be gone one day because the company isn't financially solvent, or simply because it's just not worth it anymore.

All the quality haters are going to come out of the woodworks (like here and now) and cackle at how right they were and how they all predicted it.

who. the. fuck. cares.

you're missing good starcraft because you can't deal with pixelation and because you feel this company chose to mess up your entirely free experience of it through the lesser quality.

I don't know where you came from, but we're privileged to be able to see this content in english. We asked and pleaded for it as a foreign community. They decided, yes, we'll invest many resources into providing this to the rest of the world even when they can't purchase from the companies that put money in our wallets and make this all possible. So how do we even contribute to lessen the costs and make it even worth making this content for the english speaking viewers?
Well fuck, guess how.

Why do you always act surprised or even negative about the things we're given when it could cease to exist at any moment? Because you think you are better at finances and managing a company's direction? Because you think the solution is so simple that with a flick of a switch, they could make everyone happy?
Do you really think that they haven't thought about all this?


The whole train of thought many people have, is that by having all these restrictions, it hurts GOM more than it gains them. If it was an established fact that what they are doing is what they need to survive, then people would not complain so much. But it just seems like a decision which will only lose them many viewers. Why pay for GSL when there are hours and hours of proleague and starleague and other leagues absolutely for free? And when you can even download GSL for free in various places?

It's not like this is such a stupid way to think. It has been proven in many scenarios that creating paywalls like that, especially when there are many free high quality alternatives available, is only detrimental. Of course I also want to watch GSL for free, but I also want it to succeed. It feels like they are going backwards currently.
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
March 14 2015 13:15 GMT
#154
Lots of people talking out of their ass and others responding in the same manner the other way around. No idea why you are trying to understand the company's policy when you don't have a financial report or anything to back your arguments.

My bottom line is that GSL is screwing up quality on purpose (low bitrate in previous/current season and now pushing medium free out of nowhere). They can't even provide a decent service to paying viewers (their VOD is a joke). From the viewer POV, I don't see how it can't be seen as cheap/terrible and doing a huge disservice to everyone, especially when any other competition -even Korean ones- has a better offer.
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 14:07:04
March 14 2015 14:03 GMT
#155
Well it's about time really, but we'll have to see how good this 'Medium' actually is! Hopefully us poorlings that cannot afford to sub to everything to get half decent quality will now be able to at least make out what unit is moving around and what player is blue/red for a change.
Bleh.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 16:12:24
March 14 2015 16:10 GMT
#156
On March 14 2015 20:03 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 19:38 neptunusfisk wrote:
Yay medium, very nice ._.


In Korea, vods and streams are free.. but they region block the KR videos? And whine about production cost? It is not like it will cost them anything to NOT region block the KR vods... maybe the increased viewership can make them afford artosis?

[image loading]


Where are the KR vods for GSL?
There are plenty youtube download sites that you could circumvent the region restriction.


On youtube, https://www.youtube.com/user/expKR/videos

You have to connect via proxy to see the vods though

edit: also check out http://game.gomtv.com/ if you're going proxy
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
March 14 2015 16:34 GMT
#157
On March 13 2015 19:42 Jintoss wrote:
Been posted before, but...

[image loading]



yep its stupid that gsl isnt under that rule ... its just #stupidasfuck
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Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
March 14 2015 17:09 GMT
#158
On March 13 2015 20:52 shid0x wrote:
This is just marketing bullshit, i know excatly what will GSL do :

They will only increase the stream resolution hence the "medium quality" but meanwhile they will not change the Bitrate, they will still run under a bilinear filter, the buffer size is not gonna change, the buffering time will not change either...There's also a fuckton of other little tweaks that they will not enable.

This is gonna look like shit, i could give you 1080p and it would still look like shit if i didn't change the setting accordingly and then i could make you buy the so called "source" mode where i actually enabled some option.

Screw ya marketing team.

Dude, don't bother. You're throwing too many technical terms that will fall on deaf ears. It's extremely easy to trick people in the tech business. Quality of marketing is far more important than quality of the actual product. It sucks, but it's one of those several harsh truths you have to accept in life.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
March 14 2015 17:11 GMT
#159
Although I can see the motivation (not everything is free), I don't think this was a winning strategy. They had attrition, and to a casual viewer like me, I'd rather watch a free 1080p dota stream than a 320p or 480p sc2 stream. And I don't care enough to pay. I think it's probably misguided, but it's perfectly understandable, its their content and they can do what they want with it.
Durenas
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 18:19:29
March 14 2015 18:19 GMT
#160
On March 15 2015 01:34 Drake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 19:42 Jintoss wrote:
Been posted before, but...

[image loading]



yep its stupid that gsl isnt under that rule ... its just #stupidasfuck

I actually commented on that in twitch chat and a forum moderator point out that the stream only has 4 players 'on-site' which falls below the minimum required to fall under these rules. So, yeah.
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