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On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway  I know you're joking  but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno.
From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed
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On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno.
Well the new gateway core unit should take care of allowing you to survive early on, we don't know enough about it yet though.
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On February 13 2015 06:28 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed
If they destroy it medivac speed needs to go though.
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On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno.
Cannon rush every game
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On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno.
I'd assume that's the point of that new unit, but dunno
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Damn, they do sound like they know what they're doing. I'm excited to see what's next. I just hope that by release time Terran won't have lost every single new unit ;D
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On February 13 2015 06:30 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. I'd assume that's the point of that new unit, but dunno
Did it really sound like it to you ? Shades will definitely help me kill ravagers and banes.
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I really like them getting rid of the herc, the overlap with hellbat made it very boring imo, the on the move construction unit they are hinting at is very interesting to me on the other hand big thumbs up on all the changes!
gg blizzard
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On February 13 2015 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:28 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed If they destroy it medivac speed needs to go though.
I'm almost sure they won't touch it. They're so proud of their philosophy of the attacker's advantage...
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On February 13 2015 06:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:30 Alchemik wrote:On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. I'd assume that's the point of that new unit, but dunno Did it really sound like it to you ? Shades will definitely help me kill ravagers and banes.
well, no, we have no idea if it helps or not, but my assumption is that they want to "fix" lack of mass FF with a new unit
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On February 13 2015 06:25 Pirfiktshon wrote:The Cold shoulder as usual....
I expect a bunker build time change at some point just for kicks
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On February 13 2015 06:31 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:28 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed If they destroy it medivac speed needs to go though. I'm almost sure they won't touch it. They're so proud of their philosophy of the attacker's advantage...
Which is why FF/PO is set in stone forever for P to be viable, unless the new unit is imbalanced as fuck...
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On February 13 2015 06:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:28 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed If they destroy it medivac speed needs to go though. I'm almost sure they won't touch it. They're so proud of their philosophy of the attacker's advantage... Which is why FF/PO is set in stone forever for P to be viable, unless the new unit is imbalanced as fuck...
Should probably prepare for 1 gate double robo expand if the T1 burrowed Roach/Ravager push becomes a thing.
Edit: Or open Stargate all the time, I guess. With the original removal of PO's anti-air function, that seems like what they wanted anyway.
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Herc didn't work, Warhound didn't work. What if what Terran really need is...
+ Show Spoiler +
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Still early to tell what these changes will bring, but I like that they are really trying new stuff.
Seeing this, I wouldn't mind waiting until 2016 for LotV.
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On February 13 2015 06:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 06:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:28 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 13 2015 06:24 TheDwf wrote:On February 13 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Errrrr... OK ? I don't get how P is ever gonna survive mass roaches attacks since you basically have no FFs anymore. They can burrow walk under FFs AND morph into ravagers that break FFs. I don't understand how you can deal with roach ravagers pushes. You won't survive the Ravager/Bane bust phase anyway I know you're joking but I'm supposed to be happy with it ? I see no way for P to expand safely, seriously. Ravagers come way too early and we rely so much on FFs to deal with baneling busts... Dunno. From the bright side, this kind of problem will force them to look into the issue of early game Protoss, hopefully to recognize that the model of the FF/PO defence has to be destroyed If they destroy it medivac speed needs to go though. I'm almost sure they won't touch it. They're so proud of their philosophy of the attacker's advantage... Which is why FF/PO is set in stone forever for P to be viable, unless the new unit is imbalanced as fuck...
They're diplomatically removing FF from LotV PvZ so maybe there's hope. Perhaps I should start writing Welcome to Attackcraft II lol
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There's no way the roach change should make it to live. Roach all ins every game that can only be dealt with by hard countering them.
The protoss unit I don't really understand; what's the point? A stalker with a slower blink that cannot shoot air?
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The reduction of attack speeds is a bad idea, because a battle is fast and when we take fast good decisions , we show the the experience in battles. ^_^
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That batch of changes kinda makes me hope the beta :
a) begins quick.
b) lasts loooooooong.
They seem to be so clueless it will take at least a 6 months beta for them to make a solid and elegant game -if they're even able to do so.
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On February 13 2015 06:45 Hier wrote:
The protoss unit I don't really understand; what's the point?
- They want to add a core gate unit because everyone begged them to do so;
- They don't want it to be the Dragoon out of pride;
- It has to get some active ability because MICRO!!
- They don't know exactly what they want to do with this unit.
So the result is this.
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EPT
