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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:01 blade55555 wrote: Nice I like most of the changes. Lotv is looking like a great.improvement. don't see how anyone could not be excited for the improvements. Well, tell me what do you consider here improvement apart from Roach burrow movement? | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
On February 13 2015 05:33 Hider wrote: From my experience reducing the attack speed of units feels absolutely awful. I would rather look at damage values if they wanted to make battles last longer. This seems like a band aid change to what really needs to happen: spread the units out more. Edit: also, i voted to like the roach burrow movement change solely because I'm a zerg player, not because i think it would be good for game balance :D | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On February 13 2015 06:51 Noocta wrote: As multitple people said here, it just feels like they have no clear vision of what to do with the game. They have a list of feedback and struggle answering it in an unified set of changes. Everything they try just feel random so far. Random approach to design can work, just try out hundreds of ideas and probably half a dozen will be valid. This method is used to improve top chess programs. The biggest difficulty is that you need to be able to recognize that a (random) change is good or bad for gameplay. I'm not convinced that Blizzard has the correct mindset for that (i.e. doesn't delegate this decision to their marketing department...). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:16 Ramiz1989 wrote: Well, tell me what do you consider here improvement apart from Roach burrow movement? Probably speaking in general about Lurkers, Ravagers and no more SHs/Ravens in their current form | ||
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KaZeFenrir
United States37 Posts
HERC- Just.. Just come on, again? Okay fine. Put the grapple on Hellbats or something? Make it an upgrade. Just stop talking about adding skill and micro to the game and then removing it from Terran every chance you get. Micro seems to mean to Bliz "everyone else does cool stuff, YOU react to it" when it comes to Terran. Thor- Yeah kind of a dumb ability on its own. I really dont see the Thor ever changing without a major redesign we all know we wont get. At this point I'd say give us the Odin hero unit they originally wanted to give us in HOTS. Phantom Dragoon- Would love it if Toss just got a unit with no gimmick. What is with them this go round and giving Protoss these "invincible" abilities this time around? Cloaked stasis mine, a unit that goes invincible and explodes you cant target, and now this. Immortal- Absolutely a fine idea to me. Stupid to make it an upgrade, I think changing how it worked in the first place made perfect since. Why make the shield tank 200 dmg in the first place? Would have made perfect since for it to just be normal hardened shields that you have to activate. Having a general Halo style "over shield" for dps absorption seems like way too much to me. Tempest- If we are going to be talking about too much overlap how about the Tempest. I thought the Voidray did this things job alright? Siege lines seem pretty easily broken by everything else toss, so I always felt this one was overkill, considering its damage, range, and health. Depending on the changes they want here, Id say a health nerf or supply nerf is needed along with the ground only damage. I dont understand why toss needs Disintegration. Infestor and Roach- NP rarely gets used, so Id honestly like to see there be some kind of change or ability replacement here. I think it makes way more sense to keep the infestor ability vs mass air since the infestor is the damage dealing spellcaster and the Viper is more about positioning than damage. A Viper with NP would make sense, but I dont know how that would work out in game. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:18 TheDwf wrote: Probably speaking in general about Lurkers, Ravagers and no more SHs/Ravens in their current form Well, as I said already I agree that up until now most of the changes were quite positive in my opinion. However, I can't find a single change that is great in this report. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: Was thinking the same thing. They removed, put back and removed again so many thing I don't really know what is in this version of the game and what isn't anymore. Well it's their internal version pre-alpha, they need to be able to do quick changes without having to write an entire community update. I think it's fine, they update us on the general direction. I want them spending more time testing and less time documenting. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24233 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:16 Ramiz1989 wrote: Well, tell me what do you consider here improvement apart from Roach burrow movement? Strange, that would have been the very last thing I'd have considered to be an improvement here. Really unnecessary, will make P life a hell in early game -as if ravagers weren't enough. Looks like banshee speed to me. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well it's their internal version pre-alpha, they need to be able to do quick changes without having to write an entire community update. I think it's fine, they update us on the general direction. I want them spending more time testing and less time documenting. It would take them one minute to update a basic changelog that they can publish anywhere... | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2655 Posts
You want a new gateway unit? Keep whatever unit you have, take away the stupid ability, give it more life/attack, make it so it can only be created from gateways and not from warpgates. Boom, strong core gateway unit that doesn't depends on robo units and at the same time it doesn't make gateway rushes super strong. AKA the starbow dragoon On February 13 2015 07:23 Big-t wrote: Herc removed? I always felt like the cyclone was so much more OP They removed the HERC because it had no real role, not because of its strenght, different to the cyclone wich fill a very important role (a mobile harras unit that is strong against the stuff the hellion isn't strong) EDIT: also apparently they listen Jakatak with the scan range thing, I wonder if they will listen to Lalush now | ||
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warthog
24 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:27 warthog wrote: theres an idiot in the design team that keeps proposing stupid units like the warhound and HERC And swarm host! :D | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: Strange, that would have been the very last thing I'd have considered to be an improvement here. Really unnecessary, will make P life a hell in early game -as if ravagers weren't enough. Looks like banshee speed to me. It is an improvement because rarely anyone gets that upgrade anyway. They will probably merge it with movement speed upgrade, and not make it come by default when burrow is upgraded. I also don't see that being a big of a deal right now when Protoss needs another gateway unit to be able to deal with Zerg in the early game, Ravagers already made Force Fields a lot less useful. | ||
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Anvil666
Germany122 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24233 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:25 Lexender wrote: Why do everything needs to have a stupid gimmick to it? You want a new gateway unit? Keep whatever unit you have, take away the stupid ability, give it more life/attack, make it so it can only be created from gateways and not from warpgates. Boom, strong core gateway unit that doesn't depends on robo units and at the same time it doesn't make gateway rushes super strong. AKA the starbow dragoon It's mesmerizing how simple and good it sounds, and yet they seem too proud to do it and prefer to come up with really gimmicky wannabe innovative things. But I shouldn't worry, they are "very happy with how it is currently playing out" and they know their stuff, right ? | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
I can finally pull off the subterranean anal assault without having to get lair | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: It is an improvement because rarely anyone gets that upgrade anyway. They will probably merge it with movement speed upgrade, and not make it come by default when burrow is upgraded. I also don't see that being a big of a deal right now when Protoss needs another gateway unit to be able to deal with Zerg in the early game, Ravagers already made Force Fields a lot less useful. It's supposed to be Protoss' expansion but is it me or is Protoss bad so far in LotV? | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24233 Posts
On February 13 2015 07:30 Ramiz1989 wrote: It is an improvement because rarely anyone gets that upgrade anyway. They will probably merge it with movement speed upgrade, and not make it come by default when burrow is upgraded. I also don't see that being a big of a deal right now when Protoss needs another gateway unit to be able to deal with Zerg in the early game, Ravagers already made Force Fields a lot less useful. Merged with movement speed sounds OK. I tend to agree with you after all. | ||
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