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I'm gona shut my mouth until evidences or names come up.
"Suspicious Korean sponsors" tweets by Olimoley - Page 12
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Sincerely, esports I'm gona shut my mouth until evidences or names come up. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 09 2015 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote: No you're just ignorant, sorry. You have no idea how this works. Every time something like this happens people come out of their woodwork to offer their opinion on the wider business implications of the event, but they never have the requisite knowledge or experience to actually offer a useful opinion. This is another example of that, as is the opinion of anyone else who says "so why is this bad?" And where exactly did I spoke about the wider business implications (apart from appreciating in one sentence that it is probably bad, without commenting any further, as appropriate for my nil knowledge of this aspect)? Or is this the only viewpoint that is allowed in the discussion? Why it is then even held on a forum where only a negligible fraction of users are inside said businesss? Maybe it's just wrong understanding. As a viewer, I don't really have the problem knowing that the money paid to my favorite (or hated  ) player comes from a "shady" source, as long as the games are good and not fixed. Because that's what most of the users here are, viewers, so you should naturally expect to see viewers' opinions here. Many other people here who are also clearly just viewers are showing different viewpoints that I disagree with, so I present mine, big deal. I am not trying to convince you that you should be cool with the situation. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 09 2015 05:58 TotalBiscuit wrote: Probably out of frustration that our player was harassed by Korean betters in the Smallest Map Possible tournament yesterday, which affected his performance and there are questions as to who is funding that event. Does this mean anything about match fixing, or is it completely unrelated to that? | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
This obviously isn't going to help the harassment problem, but I don't think that can be helped. That's on the players. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:09 opisska wrote: And where exactly did I spoke about the wider business implications (apart from appreciating in one sentence that it is probably bad, without commenting any further, as appropriate for my nil knowledge of this aspect)? Or is this the only viewpoint that is allowed in the discussion? Why it is then even held on a forum where only a negligible fraction of users are inside said businesss? Maybe it's just wrong understanding. As a viewer, I don't really have the problem knowing that the money paid to my favorite (or hated ) player comes from a "shady" source, as long as the games are good and not fixed. Because that's what most of the users here are, viewers, so you should naturally expect to see viewers' opinions here. Many other people here who are also clearly just viewers are showing different viewpoints that I disagree with, so I present mine, big deal. I am not trying to convince you that you should be cool with the situation.As a viewer, you probably want the scene to grow in the long term with big sponsors like HTC or Nissan coming. Problem is, any big, legit sponsor who sees a scene funded by shady money and illegal betters will run away. Additionally, if the problem is 'only' the betting side of things and no match has been thrown for money, then it is a matter of time until the scene degenerates into match-fixing. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:11 ZackAttack wrote: I hope I'm not just being an idiot and missing something, but wouldn't the in game/admin betting problem be easily solved by not taking bets after the game actually started rather than after the delay. Even if the bookies stopped taking bets like 10-15 minutes before game time that problem would be solved. This obviously isn't going to help the harassment problem, but I don't think that can be helped. That's on the players. I think the issue here is that the betting sites are independent of the actual tournament? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:11 ZackAttack wrote: I hope I'm not just being an idiot and missing something, but wouldn't the in game/admin betting problem be easily solved by not taking bets after the game actually started rather than after the delay. Even if the bookies stopped taking bets like 10-15 minutes before game time that problem would be solved. This obviously isn't going to help the harassment problem, but I don't think that can be helped. That's on the players. No. The implication is that the person putting up the money for the tournament IS the bookie (or closely associated with them), thereby THEY can keep the books open. OFC legitimate betting sources would close the bets in advance of the match (while accounting for delay). The illegitimate ones are the issue. And for this, its up to the tournament organizer to decide whether they want the money or not AND ensuring they know who is providing the funds AND not allowing additional observers / admins for example. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:11 ZackAttack wrote: I hope I'm not just being an idiot and missing something, but wouldn't the in game/admin betting problem be easily solved by not taking bets after the game actually started rather than after the delay. Even if the bookies stopped taking bets like 10-15 minutes before game time that problem would be solved. This obviously isn't going to help the harassment problem, but I don't think that can be helped. That's on the players. The bookies are illegal organisations. Are you suggesting we have a conversation with them and tell them to change their policies? Wut? More often than not its the bookie themselves who are funding the event. They have full control. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:11 ZackAttack wrote: I hope I'm not just being an idiot and missing something, but wouldn't the in game/admin betting problem be easily solved by not taking bets after the game actually started rather than after the delay. Even if the bookies stopped taking bets like 10-15 minutes before game time that problem would be solved. This obviously isn't going to help the harassment problem, but I don't think that can be helped. That's on the players. Yup, but somehow I think betting sites don't have the ressources/will/time to know when the game actually starts, especially considering stream delays are specific to each tournament. | ||
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ukiya2004
199 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:10 The_Templar wrote: Does this mean anything about match fixing, or is it completely unrelated to that? It was just pestering for information. The other thing was that there were additional Korean observers in the lobby that were not actually broadcasting the tournament. | ||
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xdevilx2
Germany38 Posts
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:21 xdevilx2 wrote: https://twitter.com/olimoley/status/564533319803486208 Ah good old Richard Lewis. At times he can be completely inflammatory in his approach but dammit the man does good work most of the time. Over the years I've found myself agreeing with him more and more, if only because his attitude has shifted every so slightly. | ||
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SackOfWetMice
United States288 Posts
On February 09 2015 05:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm sure Aderall and other methamphetamines are already used regularily. Adderall* isn't a methamphetamine; it's an amphetamine. Very big difference. Adderall is a combination of dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine, neither of which are neurotoxic like methamphetamine is. But yes, I'm sure adderall is used by some players; it's a pretty large performance-enhancer when it comes to esports. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: The bookies are illegal organisations. Are you suggesting we have a conversation with them and tell them to change their policies? Wut? More often than not its the bookie themselves who are funding the event. They have full control. I did not know this. Ouch, very bad indeed. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On February 09 2015 05:50 Deleuze wrote: I just can't believe this. Can't, or won't? | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:22 ZackAttack wrote: Okay well I guess I did miss something. lol. This is a big problem that's going to take legal action and not just cooperation. I had the impression these were betters getting a leg up in legal betting sites through illegal means. No legit betting site would put these small tournaments in their platform without knowing the legitimacy of the tournament. I am under the impression that its underground sites that operate under secrecy that are both funding and betting on the matches. | ||
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