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On February 09 2015 05:44 opisska wrote:
Why is this such a big deal? If the mechanism is really just delay-obs-bet, then this is vastly different from match-fixing. And honestly, the joke is on anyone who is willing to accept the bet in the first place when the game has already been played/is in progress.
At the end, there are some people who make money from idiots and some of that money goes to prizepools for SC2 players. Again, what's the big deal here?
Please read my Twitlonger before ever posting again on this subject.
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So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh.
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On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh.
Still nothing has happened if you ask me.
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I just can't believe this.
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On February 09 2015 05:29 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:26 Jono7272 wrote:On February 09 2015 05:19 digmouse wrote:On February 09 2015 05:14 Jono7272 wrote:On February 09 2015 05:08 Musicus wrote:Not everyone knew, thank god  . It's pretty sad seeing all these people coming out claiming they've known about it for ages, and yet they've done near to nothing. Let me put it this way: are you going to do anything if you are one of the guys that knew this? By standing up risking your career because you have to do massive investigations to gather evidence or your own reputation and connections are at stake? It always easy to say "why don't you do something?" while the cruel reality is everything is easier said than done. How does it risk your career? Most of these people claiming they knew about it barely have a career anyway. What are the potential connections being lost? The organisers of these dodgely funded tournaments. If these people truly have a "passion" for the community / the game / or esports as they claim, then they should have acted. All that needed to be done, to combat this, was do exactly as Olimoley has done now. Why has it taken so long for someone to do this? The knock on effects of just getting the word out there that this is potentially going on, will be enough to shut this down, most likely. When Olimoley first posted this the initial reaction was "it's really irresponsible of her to do that without putting solid evidence up front." If so many people hadn't tweeted stuff in response saying that what she was talking about definitely existed, her reputation would have taken a huge hit.
You are right man, even a Mod here says that
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On February 09 2015 05:49 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. Still nothing has happened if you ask me.
Well we know something instead of the info staying between organizers/players (see Destiny's tweet about people talking about that HSC). That's not a huge difference, but that's still a difference.
edit : I think the whole of TB's TwitLonger should be posted in the OP instead of there just being a link tbh. It's very informative and interesting, and many people probably won't bother to click the link.
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On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh.
What should they have done? They can't persuade the korean gamblers.
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On February 09 2015 05:51 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. What should they have done? They can't persuade the korean gamblers.
No, but maybe they could persuade the betting sites of not taking bets on random online tournament #2034? Although I'm probably being delusional here, why would a betting site not take bets with only this kind of "evidence"...
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On February 09 2015 05:51 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. What should they have done?
Make it public?
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On February 09 2015 05:51 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. What should they have done? They can't persuade the korean gamblers.
They can inform the tournament organizers that such things happen.
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This is an unfortunate thing to hear, however I think it's being handled appropriately. I don't know why Olivia decided that she would blow the top off of this one today, but I'm glad it's happened now instead of 6 months ago when Blizzard was just starting to investigate as it woulda been hard for them to really gather as much information as they probably have. I hope that with this knowledge there will be an effort to make sure that these bettors are not fiddling with our scene. I liked the suggestions TB made in his post.
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On February 09 2015 05:56 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is an unfortunate thing to hear, however I think it's being handled appropriately. I don't know why Olivia decided that she would blow the top off of this one today, but I'm glad it's happened now instead of 6 months ago when Blizzard was just starting to investigate as it woulda been hard for them to really gather as much information as they probably have. I hope that with this knowledge there will be an effort to make sure that these bettors are not fiddling with our scene. I liked the suggestions TB made in his post.
Probably out of frustration that our player was harassed by Korean betters in the Smallest Map Possible tournament yesterday, which affected his performance and there are questions as to who is funding that event.
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On February 09 2015 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:44 opisska wrote:
Why is this such a big deal? If the mechanism is really just delay-obs-bet, then this is vastly different from match-fixing. And honestly, the joke is on anyone who is willing to accept the bet in the first place when the game has already been played/is in progress.
At the end, there are some people who make money from idiots and some of that money goes to prizepools for SC2 players. Again, what's the big deal here? Please read my Twitlonger before ever posting again on this subject.
So I did, but it doesn't really bring any new information. I stand by the point that if someone accepts bets in a time when the game is already being played, he is an idiot and deserves to be scammed.
Then you go on to speculate about possible match-fixing. The fact that players are being offered to fix is sad, but what does it mean, really? In the real life, you are daily presented with all sorts of possibilities for crime, do you take them? Do you walk down the streets picking any valuable objects that are not locked? I hope not, because you seem like a reasonable person! This is bordering on the "women should not walk alone in the night not to get raped" logic. I believe that most men are not rapists as much as I believe that most players are not match-fixers.
If there were really match-fixing, that would make me quite angry, because it would mean that the competition I am watching for hours every week is not for real. But that really needs to be proven and I am willing to hold everyone innocent until proven otherwise. If all that's happening is just insider betting and some people lose money because they are dumb, then so be it.
I understand that the connection with some "shady circles" is bad for your business and because the well-being your business increases my pleasure, it is also bad for me. On the other hand, I really hate this tendency of making everything a big shitstorm just because it's not perfectly by the book.
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This is not a cause for concern in the longevity or survivability of Starcraft 2 in the long term, but it IS important.
I beg to differ.
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On February 09 2015 05:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:56 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is an unfortunate thing to hear, however I think it's being handled appropriately. I don't know why Olivia decided that she would blow the top off of this one today, but I'm glad it's happened now instead of 6 months ago when Blizzard was just starting to investigate as it woulda been hard for them to really gather as much information as they probably have. I hope that with this knowledge there will be an effort to make sure that these bettors are not fiddling with our scene. I liked the suggestions TB made in his post. Probably out of frustration that our player was harassed by Korean betters in the Smallest Map Possible tournament yesterday, which affected his performance and there are questions as to who is funding that event.
Approached to throw games for money?
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On February 09 2015 05:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:56 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
This is an unfortunate thing to hear, however I think it's being handled appropriately. I don't know why Olivia decided that she would blow the top off of this one today, but I'm glad it's happened now instead of 6 months ago when Blizzard was just starting to investigate as it woulda been hard for them to really gather as much information as they probably have. I hope that with this knowledge there will be an effort to make sure that these bettors are not fiddling with our scene. I liked the suggestions TB made in his post. Probably out of frustration that our player was harassed by Korean betters in the Smallest Map Possible tournament yesterday, which affected his performance and there are questions as to who is funding that event.
Okay that makes sense, thank you.
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On February 09 2015 05:58 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 09 2015 05:44 opisska wrote:
Why is this such a big deal? If the mechanism is really just delay-obs-bet, then this is vastly different from match-fixing. And honestly, the joke is on anyone who is willing to accept the bet in the first place when the game has already been played/is in progress.
At the end, there are some people who make money from idiots and some of that money goes to prizepools for SC2 players. Again, what's the big deal here? Please read my Twitlonger before ever posting again on this subject. So I did, but it doesn't really bring any new information. I stand by the point that if someone accepts bets in a time when the game is already being played, he is an idiot and deserves to be scammed. Then you go on to speculate about possible match-fixing. The fact that players are being offered to fix is sad, but what does it mean, really? In the real life, you are daily presented with all sorts of possibilities for crime, do you take them? Do you walk down the streets picking any valuable objects that are not locked? I hope not, because you seem like a reasonable person! This is bordering on the "women should not walk alone in the night not to get raped" logic. I believe that most men are not rapists as much as I believe that most players are not match-fixers. If there were really match-fixing, that would make me quite angry, because it would mean that the competition I am watching for hours every week is not for real. But that really needs to be proven and I am willing to hold everyone innocent until proven otherwise. If all that's happening is just insider betting and some people lose money because they are dumb, then so be it. I understand that the connection with some "shady circles" is bad for your business and because the well-being your business increases my pleasure, it is also bad for me. On the other hand, I really hate this tendency of making everything a big shitstorm just because it's not perfectly by the book.
No you're just ignorant, sorry. You have no idea how this works. Every time something like this happens people come out of their woodwork to offer their opinion on the wider business implications of the event, but they never have the requisite knowledge or experience to actually offer a useful opinion. This is another example of that, as is the opinion of anyone else who says "so why is this bad?"
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On February 09 2015 05:51 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. What should they have done? They can't persuade the korean gamblers.
to add to his point it seems some people that "knew all along" were acting really nonchalant about it- only after someone pointed it out in a big forum. if it truly was a big risk of ruining their careers, etc, if they were to bring it up back then, why would it be any less of a threat to speak up about it now? it just kind of seems like a childish way of saying "i told you so!", or "oh that? that always happened. i just never said anything because i dont like drama/risking my career/etc." instaed of actually giving any real info..
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On February 09 2015 05:34 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:31 digmouse wrote:On February 09 2015 05:26 Jono7272 wrote:On February 09 2015 05:19 digmouse wrote:On February 09 2015 05:14 Jono7272 wrote:It's pretty sad seeing all these people coming out claiming they've known about it for ages, and yet they've done near to nothing. Let me put it this way: are you going to do anything if you are one of the guys that knew this? By standing up risking your career because you have to do massive investigations to gather evidence or your own reputation and connections are at stake? It always easy to say "why don't you do something?" while the cruel reality is everything is easier said than done. How does it risk your career? Most of these people claiming they knew about it barely have a career anyway. What are the potential connections being lost? The organisers of these dodgely funded tournaments. If these people truly have a "passion" for the community / the game / or esports as they claim, then they should have acted. All that needed to be done, to combat this, was do exactly as Olimoley has done now. Why has it taken so long for someone to do this? The knock on effects of just getting the word out there that this is potentially going on, will be enough to shut this down, most likely. Right there bro. Good logic. Ignore the rest then bro. It's personal opinion, not logic.
LOL. At least you're being honest. Most people at least pretend that their opinions make some logical sense.
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It seems to me sports gambling is a corrupting influence on the people involved. I have no problem with it being illegal lol.
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