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Northern Ireland25405 Posts
Looking forward to Richard Lewis' article where he releases the info he was given as well.
This is pretty fucking sad, but such illicit gambling has its tentacles into so many walks of life that it shouldn't be any kind of death knell to SC2, as long as the big organisations help to clean house.
I have to question the naivety of those within eSports (once again), first you have players seemingly oblivious to dodgy teams and getting perennially fucked over whenever cash/contracts are offered, now you have (seemingly) community casters not heeding the old adage 'If it seems too good to be true, it probably is' when it comes to sponsors funding tournaments.
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On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh.
I completely disagree.
To me this looks like Blizzard knew and was trying to compile evidence without the people who were making the illegal bets becoming aware of the investigation and laying low; by tweeting this and blowing it up publicly Olivia may have jeopardized whatever case could be brought against the people involved. We won't know until Blizzard opens up, of course. But her actions may have damaged any potential investigation that was being conducted. At this point everything is pretty much speculation.
I'd be wary about coming out slamming Blizzard and asking why it wasn't public knowledge before this. There's often a very good reason why things such as this are intentionally kept private, and that's in order to make sure that the criminals aren't tipped off or spooked before the evidence on and case against them is 100% sound.
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Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units.
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On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units.
Who are you referring to here?
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On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units.
I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries.
The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down.
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On February 09 2015 06:30 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. I completely disagree. To me this looks like Blizzard knew and was trying to compile evidence without the people who were making the illegal bets becoming aware of the investigation and laying low; by tweeting this and blowing it up publicly Olivia may have jeopardized whatever case could be brought against the people involved. We won't know until Blizzard opens up, of course. But her actions may have damaged any potential investigation that was being conducted. At this point everything is pretty much speculation. I'd be wary about coming out slamming Blizzard and asking why it wasn't public knowledge before this. There's often a very good reason why things such as this are intentionally kept private, and that's in order to make sure that the criminals aren't tipped off or spooked before the evidence on and case against them is 100% sound.
Oh gosh your ban is over already. Read my post again and tell me where I said Blizz didn't know about it or wasn't investigating, or where I blamed Blizzard.
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On February 09 2015 06:34 Quakie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. Who are you referring to here?
I've already brought it up on here. I'll just say it was a WCS game and a Terran who refused to ever go above 170 supply and then he joined a team sponsored by a betting site, a few days later. When it looks like match fixing and then that happens, whether clean or not, it doesn't look good.
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On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down.
In before Aeromi....
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France14460 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi....
:>
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On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi....
lol, I am sure he can provide insight!
edit: ^ too late he showed his face
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On February 09 2015 06:37 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi.... :>
Aeromi, I'm curious, what are you gonna do with your time once/if the handbook gets released?
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On February 09 2015 06:35 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:30 SackOfWetMice wrote:On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. I completely disagree. To me this looks like Blizzard knew and was trying to compile evidence without the people who were making the illegal bets becoming aware of the investigation and laying low; by tweeting this and blowing it up publicly Olivia may have jeopardized whatever case could be brought against the people involved. We won't know until Blizzard opens up, of course. But her actions may have damaged any potential investigation that was being conducted. At this point everything is pretty much speculation. I'd be wary about coming out slamming Blizzard and asking why it wasn't public knowledge before this. There's often a very good reason why things such as this are intentionally kept private, and that's in order to make sure that the criminals aren't tipped off or spooked before the evidence on and case against them is 100% sound. Oh gosh your ban is over already. Read my post again and tell me where I said Blizz didn't know about it or wasn't investigating, or where I blamed Blizzard.
Take a deep breath, only the first sentence was directed towards you.
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On February 09 2015 06:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:37 Aeromi wrote:On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi.... :> Aeromi, I'm curious, what are you gonna do with your time once/if the handbook gets released?
Fight for a schedule!
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your Country52797 Posts
On February 09 2015 06:30 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. I completely disagree. To me this looks like Blizzard knew and was trying to compile evidence without the people who were making the illegal bets becoming aware of the investigation and laying low; by tweeting this and blowing it up publicly Olivia may have jeopardized whatever case could be brought against the people involved. We won't know until Blizzard opens up, of course. But her actions may have damaged any potential investigation that was being conducted. At this point everything is pretty much speculation. I'd be wary about coming out slamming Blizzard and asking why it wasn't public knowledge before this. There's often a very good reason why things such as this are intentionally kept private, and that's in order to make sure that the criminals aren't tipped off or spooked before the evidence on and case against them is 100% sound.
The thing is, I don't know how it could possibly take more than 6 months to investigate this.
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On February 09 2015 06:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:37 Aeromi wrote:On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi.... :> Aeromi, I'm curious, what are you gonna do with your time once/if the handbook gets released?
Prepare the campaign for WCS 2016
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On February 09 2015 06:21 xdevilx2 wrote:
Richard Lewis, the true saviour of esports
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On February 09 2015 06:43 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:30 SackOfWetMice wrote:On February 09 2015 05:48 OtherWorld wrote:
So for now the saddest thing is that apparently many people knew about it, some say they gave the info to Blizz, but nothing happened until Olivia talked publicly. That's a bit lame tbh. I completely disagree. To me this looks like Blizzard knew and was trying to compile evidence without the people who were making the illegal bets becoming aware of the investigation and laying low; by tweeting this and blowing it up publicly Olivia may have jeopardized whatever case could be brought against the people involved. We won't know until Blizzard opens up, of course. But her actions may have damaged any potential investigation that was being conducted. At this point everything is pretty much speculation. I'd be wary about coming out slamming Blizzard and asking why it wasn't public knowledge before this. There's often a very good reason why things such as this are intentionally kept private, and that's in order to make sure that the criminals aren't tipped off or spooked before the evidence on and case against them is 100% sound. The thing is, I don't know how it could possibly take more than 6 months to investigate this.
If they handed any of the information off to legal authorities (especially if they are Korean authorities, as Blizzard is a U.S. company headquartered in California), I can easily see how it takes more than 6 months to investigate.
Things like this, especially when it's difficult to compile conclusive evidence/proof that will hold up in court, and especially when if it's mostly happening in a country that has different laws than the one in which Blizzard is headquartered, could probably take years to be complete.
As someone earlier mentioned, we don't even know that "Blizzard" is investigating this. We know that some people that work for Blizzard are aware of the issue and are investigating, but it could be a small team within the SC2 legal subset of Blizzard. It's not necessarily the mighty industry titan "Blizzard." They have many other legal issues to deal with, as they develop/support many different games across a variety of systems and platforms.
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On February 09 2015 06:46 Holdenintherye wrote:Richard Lewis, the true saviour of esports
I had no idea that TB had named his penis. Subtle of him to use the name Richard instead of the shortened version I suppose.
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On February 09 2015 06:45 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 06:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 09 2015 06:37 Aeromi wrote:On February 09 2015 06:37 Clonester wrote:On February 09 2015 06:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 06:31 playa wrote:
Yeah, well maybe people can realize it's also not such a good thing for a betting site to sponsor a team, especially when their newest recruit flat out refused to make units. I think the WCS handbook prevents sponsors from gambling, alcohol/cigarettes, and adult entertainment industries. The betting sites sponsored the tournament, and secretly. If they tried to outright sponsor their own events, Blizzard would shut that down. In before Aeromi.... :> Aeromi, I'm curious, what are you gonna do with your time once/if the handbook gets released? Prepare the campaign for WCS 2016
2014 : French stream
2015 : Handbook/schedule/location
2016 : ?
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On February 09 2015 06:46 Holdenintherye wrote:Richard Lewis, the true saviour of esports
Oh boy. When was the last time he delivered? Aren't we still waiting for something from him?
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