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On February 09 2015 07:20 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Seeing as the whole "Kas" thing started when somebody posted their own personal suspicious of him because he "didn't go above 170 supply" in a tournament and signed with a team that was sponsored by a betting website, and isn't based on any actual evidence, I think it's highly inappropriate. It'll only lead to more bad than good. If he is somehow involved in this, then that information will come out in due time.
Olivia already has said she knows who the alleged players are, and has sent that information to Richard Lewis. No need to jump the gun and make damaging accusations.
I'm just saying, it looked bad when the game happened. It looked worse when he joined the team. And it has looked worse since not one person has ever provided an explanation for why he played like he did. The GM hacker thread, how many people have you ever watched them hack in person? Yet, how many of those guys actually are hacking? Quite a bit. Essentially, if you haven't watched a person hack or have a receipt of theirs for a hack, then you can't call it into question is what you're saying. I simply called it into question and there were no answers. It's obvious to see how easy getting away with match fixing would be in SC 2, as long as the betting patterns aren't super suspicious.
I don't want to derail, I'm just asking to not have tunnel vision. You can't say it's inherently bad for people involved in betting to fund tournaments but it's clearly OK if they have players on salary. I'd rather them fund tournaments, personally. It looks like they're finding a way around having the players actually throw the games. To me, the "bad news" is if it wasn't for these guys, would there be any tournaments? There's already few enough. Hate to think they're propping up the game.
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On February 09 2015 07:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 07:28 Rehio wrote:On February 09 2015 07:20 stuchiu wrote:On February 09 2015 06:48 geokilla wrote:On February 09 2015 06:46 Holdenintherye wrote:On February 09 2015 06:21 xdevilx2 wrote:
Richard Lewis, the true saviour of esports Oh boy. When was the last time he delivered? Aren't we still waiting for something from him? He's always delivered? Wasn't there some large article on NASL that was supposed to happen at some point? That didn't come out when I wasn't looking, did it? http://esportsexpress.com/2014/03/nasl-may-have-closed-due-to-lack-of-money/Close enough
"I started on it and just haven't had time to finish it. I kept all my notes and interviews from people at that time and it's my aim to finish it this year. "
From Lewis on Reddit, five months ago.
Delivery seems to be delayed, so that's probably what they were referencing.
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Whatever comes out of the report, there are far more damning things for sc2 such as widespread hackers on ladder. We're not talking about match fixing here. We're talking about people sending info out to help betters get an advantage. That in itself is an issue but it doesn't change the fact that we're getting tournaments with high profile players and that we get to enjoy their play.
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well, that doesn't sound that weird
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On February 09 2015 08:04 Alchemik wrote:well, that doesn't sound that weird
I guess he thought of it as a perk for the sponsor, but it's a really unfortunate timing for Mal :/
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On February 09 2015 07:47 Deathstar wrote:
Whatever comes out of the report, there are far more damning things for sc2 such as widespread hackers on ladder. We're not talking about match fixing here. We're talking about people sending info out to help betters get an advantage. That in itself is an issue but it doesn't change the fact that we're getting tournaments with high profile players and that we get to enjoy their play.
These, let me call em "shady sponsors", do not only use the informations they have because of ingame observing to bet on the games they are just observing. These people bribe players to lose, they offer players money to lose and there is a high chance that players might have taken the money to do so.
This is not just a small issue. It is illegal betting on this games, it is possible match fixing and there can be a bunch of people in this small issue. Some who just dont aks where this sponsor has his money from, some who are these sponsors, some who ask players to take money to lose, bribe them and make their life painfull and some players who go the easy way. Other esports have it, SC II has it and it is a really large issue.
Hackers annoying the NA Ladder and other ladders is a large issue, it is the doping of esports (next to taking speed and coke for higher mechanicals). It is not the thing to match fixing, players being bribed so they stop enjoying the game.
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On February 09 2015 08:07 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 08:04 Alchemik wrote:well, that doesn't sound that weird I guess he thought of it as a perk for the sponsor, but it's a really unfortunate timing for Mal :/
To me its just confirmation that someone was observing. Its interesting how Tod asks about it. I won't presume to know what Mal was thinking, but I can understand people wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No doubt Tod isn't in on it though  Maybe he knew and he called them out... Tod saving esports!
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On February 09 2015 08:07 Clubfan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 08:04 Alchemik wrote:well, that doesn't sound that weird I guess he thought of it as a perk for the sponsor, but it's a really unfortunate timing for Mal :/
or,he knew exactly what he was saying, chasing more sponsors. Who knows.
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On February 09 2015 08:11 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 08:07 Clubfan wrote:On February 09 2015 08:04 Alchemik wrote:well, that doesn't sound that weird I guess he thought of it as a perk for the sponsor, but it's a really unfortunate timing for Mal :/ To me its just confirmation that someone was observing. Its interesting how Tod asks about it. I won't presume to know what Mal was thinking, but I can understand people wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt. No doubt Tod isn't in on it though Maybe he knew and he called them out... Tod saving esports!
He didn't know. He just tweetet about it.
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I was watching that live, and remember ToD's comment. In my opinion, it sounded like ToD asked an innocent question (not like he was calling him out) and MAL did not sound like he was hesitating, lying, or anything of the sort. In my personal opinion, it sounded like that was an honest answer from MAL, and that he was not aware of any shady business IF indeed that was an example of what is being talked about in this thread, which, again, we don't know at this point. That's just how I viewed the conversation, and in my professional and social career I've usually been very good at detecting lies and/or deflections.
Just a personal opinion, of course.
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Its going to be a rough week boys
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Wow this is some super shady stuff. Hopefully even if it's all true it won't be as damaging as the BW match-fixing scandal; but it looks like Blizzard/Kespa/everyone needs to do some serious cleaning.
Also these shady bettors, what the fuck? Coming up with schemes to get your betting information all of a couple minutes before others do...it smells like desperate, addicted gambling. The low-lifes who do this (or the assholes that harass honest progamers to throw games) need prison or fines or community service or something.
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On February 09 2015 08:18 SackOfWetMice wrote:
I was watching that live, and remember ToD's comment. In my opinion, it sounded like ToD asked an innocent question (not like he was calling him out) and MAL did not sound like he was hesitating, lying, or anything of the sort. In my personal opinion, it sounded like that was an honest answer from MAL, and that he was not aware of any shady business IF indeed that was an example of what is being talked about in this thread, which, again, we don't know at this point. That's just how I viewed the conversation, and in my professional and social career I've usually been very good at detecting lies and/or deflections.
Just a personal opinion, of course.
The question is, should he have known? Did he ever ask himself why someone would want that?
We can't know what Mal knows, but I'm thinking he knows more than we do.
He at least has the contact information of the people in question.
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Northern Ireland26745 Posts
On February 09 2015 08:18 SackOfWetMice wrote:
I was watching that live, and remember ToD's comment. In my opinion, it sounded like ToD asked an innocent question (not like he was calling him out) and MAL did not sound like he was hesitating, lying, or anything of the sort. In my personal opinion, it sounded like that was an honest answer from MAL, and that he was not aware of any shady business IF indeed that was an example of what is being talked about in this thread, which, again, we don't know at this point. That's just how I viewed the conversation, and in my professional and social career I've usually been very good at detecting lies and/or deflections.
Just a personal opinion, of course.
I can understand him not being suspicious, given how many sponsors give money not solely for a return on investment, but sometimes as a passion/hobby it's entirely conceivable that Mal just thought that the sponsor in question wanted it as a perk for putting money in.
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I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
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On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote:
I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
With a stream delay the game's broadcast can start at a time when the game is already in the middle of being played or even finished.
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On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote:
I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
stream delay is your friend.
well, in this case- your enemy.
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On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote:
I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
-Bets are taken up until the match is started to be BROADCAST
-Games are played on a fairly lengthy delay
-Observer gets in on the game to get a direct/non-delayed feed
-Passes info about the game on to others so they get a huge edge in betting
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On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote:
I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
Presumably, the betting would close as the game starts on the stream.
When they have someone in the game itself, 10 minutes ahead of the stream delay, they'll have information about the game before the betting closes.
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