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On February 09 2015 09:19 MCXD wrote:
Why are illegal betting sites even allowed to become a thing? They're illegal. It sounds like they're incredibly easy to find and get involved with (based on what I've seen/heard - in truth I don't know much about it) so I can't imagine the answer is "the authorities don't know who to target".
Why is the mafia allowed to become a thing?
Because they do so and crime fighting is a tough buisness.
Fighting illegal betting is a never ending story like fighting other criminal stuff. They are illegal, but taking em down is another story.
Ever heard of silk road and your local dealership?
Knowing something is illegal: Easy
Taking it down: Hard.
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On February 09 2015 09:12 KingAlphard wrote:
Isn't this really dumb though? They should stop the bets in the moment the game actually starts. Otherwise, it's obvious that this can happen... hell, even a famous caster/observer could do this all the time.
But you have to remember, all of this happening is part of their plan. They're in it to make money, not to be "fair" to the innocent betters - and in this case, there is no innocent user because it's an illegal betting site to begin with.
So now that I'm curious, a question for those that use Pinnacle: do they stop bets before the game actually starts, or do they stop bets when the game starts on streams?
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On February 09 2015 09:19 MCXD wrote:
Why are illegal betting sites even allowed to become a thing? They're illegal. It sounds like they're incredibly easy to find and get involved with (based on what I've seen/heard - in truth I don't know much about it) so I can't imagine the answer is "the authorities don't know who to target".
All it takes is a decent VPN/proxy setup and a domain purchased in a country that isn't cooperative with your country's government. That's assuming it's not done over the deep web.
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On February 09 2015 08:45 Specialist wrote:
As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack.
I'm sorry what.
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On February 09 2015 09:23 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 08:45 Specialist wrote:
As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack.
I'm sorry what.
Maybe he means that's it's a game inside a game, like doping in some sports.
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Wow. OK. This is really big.
I'm not gonna jump down Blizzard's throat. I'm going to keep in mind that they're still only a video game company, and they're being asked to deal with legal issues on a scale that no other video game company ever has to touch. They're not a government, and they're trying to deal with an international situation. Their powers must be extraordinarily limited.
That said, Blizzard took on this responsibility by asking Olivia and other members of the pro community to keep quiet about what they knew or suspected. Six months is not a long time to build a case, but it is a long time to allow this sort of behavior to proliferate.
In the short term, I don't see anything short of total transparency - zero tolerance for small tournaments with unknown sponsors, both from tournament organizers and from spectators - helping to curb this issue. I don't know how practical this is as a solution.
Thank God the nature of this abuse inherently prohibits KeSPA from being suspect. At the very least there's no reason to believe that anything toward has occurred at the highest levels of competition.
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On February 09 2015 08:45 Specialist wrote:
General public is so stupid
People have been hacking in online tournaments, yes even the "pros"
As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack.
Hell, what's stopping players to play for other play in an snvironment? Just gotta adapt to new hot keys, that's all.
Even sad
I'm sorry but I am completely confused with your comment. Could you please elaborate on why we, the general public, are so stupid?
And why do you bring up hacking? You are the first person to bring that up.
Regarding the comment about having another player use a different account for someone else, um that has been done, and some successful sleuths caught them and outted them. Also its freaking hard to adapt to new hot keys, considering it takes a player months or even years to develop their own hotkey patterns.
So come again on the reason for your post?
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reposted from mal's tourny thread:
The community is prone to witch hunts. Lets try to be self aware.
Regardless of where the money is coming from for this tournament, I think Mal should promote his sponsors a little bit more. I had to go digging to find any mention of who is putting up the money at all. How can they consider this efficient marketing if the viewers can't even figure out what products are being sold?
I know Mal doesn't get ad revenue from Twitch (unless that changed since his last tournament) so he must rely on pleasing sponsors to be able to host tournaments at all.
Sponsors (?)
-PSH company (Hunting safari company on twitter is all I found here)
-PSISTORM gaming
-2LD (he links to 2ld.info but it won't load for me, just an unused blog)
-DSP design (processors I think)
Seems weird for psistorm to sponsor a tournament without having its own players in it, or at least advertising the team somehow during it.
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I wonder how big this will get. Are we at risk of something close to what happen duruing the SaviOr area ? Doesn't seem like it. Yet.
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On February 09 2015 09:38 Noocta wrote:
I wonder how big this will get. Are we at risk of something close to what happen duruing the SaviOr area ? Doesn't seem like it. Yet.
Definitely not close, but if it isn't dealt with it could certainly escalate to that.
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isn't the delay usually set around 3 minutes? I've never heard of 10 minutes delay.
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On February 09 2015 09:25 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 09:23 GGzerG wrote:On February 09 2015 08:45 Specialist wrote:
As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack.
I'm sorry what. Maybe he means that's it's a game inside a game, like doping in some sports.
More moral relativism bull shit, do we want to promote fair play or not? Do we want to see the best players play the best possible games or not? It's a yes or a no, I could give a rat's ass about what culture / religion / political background / personal anecdotes you might have.
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3 minutes should be enough to prevent players from stream cheating, but for these corrupt sponsors they want it longer to ensure more control over predicting the outcome.
At 10 minutes, its entirely possible the game is already done before its being broadcasted.
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On February 09 2015 09:58 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 09:25 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 09 2015 09:23 GGzerG wrote:On February 09 2015 08:45 Specialist wrote:
As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack.
I'm sorry what. Maybe he means that's it's a game inside a game, like doping in some sports. More moral relativism bull shit, do we want to promote fair play or not? Do we want to see the best players play the best possible games or not? It's a yes or a no, I could give a rat's ass about what culture / religion / political background / personal anecdotes you might have.
Sorry, what? I don't think anybody here supports cheating. :D
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It's a rough situation for Blizzard to respond to -
Their options are somewhat limited. They can increase the requirements for people to be allowed to hold tournaments - which would mean fewer tournaments as smaller organizations may not be able to qualify or meet Blizz's "regulatory" requirements for holding the tournament. (Guys casting out of their bedrooms have lousy legal departments, generally.) Does Blizz want to raise the entry barrier too high for local and smaller tournaments? That could be detrimental to trying to grow the competitive landscape. Do they take "administrative action" and just start whacking the banhammer when they suspect it could be going on? Cue community outcry if they ever make an error or cannot disclose the information on which they make their decision. (Also increases liability for potential libel/slander claims if they make statements based on secret information.)
Blizzard find it difficult to bring civil legal action - they have to prove standing and convincing a judge that reputation damage of intellectual property will be just as hard as bringing action against foreign nationals that are likely operating illegally to begin with. Getting enforcement agencies involved is an obvious choice, but again the wheels of justice grind slowly. (I'm still waiting for IRS action against Prenda in the US. If you want a laugh, look up Prenda Law and what they've been accused of and found to be doing. Completely unrelated to eSports.)
Good statement from SC2Improve, nice reply to suspicious circumstances.
In an industry where I wager most teams and players are operating in a grey area legally to begin with (not because of intent, but because lawyers are expensive and so is complying with tax/employment laws) the black areas where illegal betting takes place is going to be a tough nut to crack. I'm not expecting quick resolution, but I'm hoping to see some solid statements and a plan of action. And the best thing - if you want to run a tournament, KNOW who you're dealing with before you take the money. If it's a choice of running a questionable event or no event - go with no event. Your reputation and potentially your criminal record (or lack thereof) will thank you for it.
If you're a player, report it to someone - Coach, team, Blizzard, someone. If you're getting harassed, look into what you can do and who you can involve.
These are just my opinions.
+ Show Spoiler +Source? I regulate industries for a living. Which ones, and for whom, I am not going to say.
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oh good, this again.
We sit on a throne of lies
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I hope no players were actually implicated in this cheating scandal and it's just restricted to this early obsing thing
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On February 09 2015 10:16 kc2siq wrote:
I hope no players were actually implicated in this cheating scandal and it's just restricted to this early obsing thing
Olivia has stated there are some players involved, but she has not raised any names.
I don't think its an overwhelming number of them, but I will be a sad panda if some of favourites are involved. I will be so jaded…
We will get more information soon, as Olivia gave her information to the media.
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Fixing matches is very wrong, athletes doing this is also very wrong.
However... match fixing happens to every sport, every sport is very vulnerable to it because people in general need money. In NBA, boxing, mma, etc. there is match fixing involved and it's still wrong but we cannot stop supporting eSports. We cannot just stop watching starcraft just because a few douche bags are involved in match fixing.
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