On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote: I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
As these gamblers are observing in-game, they don't have the stream delay. Betting sites usually close when a game starts on the stream. As these sponsors have sometimes requested a very high delay (10 minutes or even more) they have a big advantage to other bettors.
General public is so stupid People have been hacking in online tournaments, yes even the "pros" As long as you don't look like you are hacking, it's fine to hack. Hell, what's stopping players to play for other play in an snvironment? Just gotta adapt to new hot keys, that's all.
On February 09 2015 08:18 SackOfWetMice wrote: I was watching that live, and remember ToD's comment. In my opinion, it sounded like ToD asked an innocent question (not like he was calling him out) and MAL did not sound like he was hesitating, lying, or anything of the sort. In my personal opinion, it sounded like that was an honest answer from MAL, and that he was not aware of any shady business IF indeed that was an example of what is being talked about in this thread, which, again, we don't know at this point. That's just how I viewed the conversation, and in my professional and social career I've usually been very good at detecting lies and/or deflections.
Just a personal opinion, of course.
I can understand him not being suspicious, given how many sponsors give money not solely for a return on investment, but sometimes as a passion/hobby it's entirely conceivable that Mal just thought that the sponsor in question wanted it as a perk for putting money in.
That's exactly how it came across to me. I remember the moment quite clearly and even now, looking back, my personal opinion, just based off of intuition, is that MAL just thought that the sponsor wanted it as a perk. He even went on to state afterwards something about "if you sponsor my tournies, you get to spectate in-game!" I don't think MAL would said that if he was hiding anything.
Keep in mind that we don't even know that that instance was an example of a sponsor using his in-game observer status to place bets. It could be that, in that instance, the sponsor simply did want to observe the game live. It's doubtful, but again, at this point we don't have anything conclusive about specific instances.
To be honest if I get to sponsor an event I would want to observe top Korean players in a match too, it was a completely reasonable request that the shady guy took advantage of.
On February 09 2015 08:41 TheSayo182 wrote: So in korea there are betting sites where you can bet on this "small" tournaments?
There are betting sites in Asia where you can bet on the 7th league of german football (for U.S.: "soccer"). These games are not televised, but you can bet on em. You can bet on non televised tennis matches all over the world, where number 300 plays 301 of the world ranking list.
These small tournaments are at least watchable, so shure you can bet on em. And when it comes to illegal betting, you can bet on anything you can think off.
On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote: I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
-Bets are taken up until the match is started to be BROADCAST -Games are played on a fairly lengthy delay -Observer gets in on the game to get a direct/non-delayed feed -Passes info about the game on to others so they get a huge edge in betting
Isn't this really dumb though? They should stop the bets in the moment the game actually starts. Otherwise, it's obvious that this can happen... hell, even a famous caster/observer could do this all the time.
On February 09 2015 08:31 NeV wrote: I don't understand how these betting sites work. Aren't bets supposed to be closed BEFORE the start of the game?
How does observing a game make any difference?
-Bets are taken up until the match is started to be BROADCAST -Games are played on a fairly lengthy delay -Observer gets in on the game to get a direct/non-delayed feed -Passes info about the game on to others so they get a huge edge in betting
Isn't this really dumb though? They should stop the bets in the moment the game actually starts. Otherwise, it's obvious that this can happen... hell, even a famous caster/observer could do this all the time.
This is where the 'illegal' part comes in. When you're betting through an illegal medium I feel like regulations are an afterthought.
Why are illegal betting sites even allowed to become a thing? They're illegal. It sounds like they're incredibly easy to find and get involved with (based on what I've seen/heard - in truth I don't know much about it) so I can't imagine the answer is "the authorities don't know who to target".
EPT
