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On February 10 2015 10:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
This is a personal issue for me, perhaps doesn't affect that many.
The MMR decay is much, much too steep. I'm so fucking inactive now due to the accursed realm known as 'real life', come back and grind 30-40 games over a day or two, stomp the majority of opponents in one-sided BS games, start to get back league wise to a bit below my 'peak'. Then I have a period of inactivity that sets me back to square one after a week or so of not playing.
I can still hang with many of the guys I used to play with, or at least not get stomped and those guys are active Dia players on the most part. When I go to ladder I'm stuck playing my way from silvers upwards. It's really not fucking fun at all. The only game mode I particular enjoy is 1v1 and I like testing myself against random opponents instead of always customing so there's less of a metagaming element (although I do like that too).
I literally don't play at all anymore because it seems unless I'm playing steadily I'll be undergoing the fucking trial of Sisyphus for the rest of my laddering life.
To be honest I'm mystified this isn't mentioned more often among the semi-regular ladderers among us.
I've been complaining about this exact issue for some while, although for team games. So no, you are not alone.
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Northern Ireland27466 Posts
Perhaps we should complain more vociferously 
I have my issues with the whole league system, think it distorts the way people play a bit as so many have their egos tied into their league, would prefer it be done away with. To the extent that midseason demotions got removed to stop people complaining.
Besides that gripe, ladder used to work well for me no matter how inactive I was I tended to get decent, competitive games. Hasn't been the case for a hell of a long time for me since the current decay was instituted.
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Points mean almost nothing. If you are wanting to get GM, then work on what you need to work on. Grinding games on the ladder isn't the best way to get better. Custom games with better players, going over replays, working on your fundamentals/mechanics etc. etc. This is coming from a top 20-30 Grandmaster player.
As for smurfing/boosting. You'll just have to get over it. Consider it, "better practice." Some boosters hack, but most don't. I boost accounts for money, a friend of mine boosts accounts for money and neither of us hack nor do any other boosters we know of personally. Hell, if one of your accounts is {Ever}IIIIIIIIIII I even played you while boosting an account and you were salty as fuck, and that's definitely not the way to improve.
You also mentioned the hacker problem. I'll admit, the hacker problem is much worse than say a year ago or more, but its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
I don't want to say "l2p n00b," but saying the ladder and your account is broken is pretty retarded. The ladder is working as intended. You win some, you lose some. That's it. Just focus on you and what you need to do to improve.
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On February 10 2015 19:33 WarreN95 wrote:
Points mean almost nothing. If you are wanting to get GM, then work on what you need to work on. Grinding games on the ladder isn't the best way to get better. Custom games with better players, going over replays, working on your fundamentals/mechanics etc. etc. This is coming from a top 20-30 Grandmaster player.
As for smurfing/boosting. You'll just have to get over it. Consider it, "better practice." Some boosters hack, but most don't. I boost accounts for money, a friend of mine boosts accounts for money and neither of us hack nor do any other boosters we know of personally. Hell, if one of your accounts is {Ever}IIIIIIIIIII I even played you while boosting an account and you were salty as fuck, and that's definitely not the way to improve.
You also mentioned the hacker problem. I'll admit, the hacker problem is much worse than say a year ago or more, but its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
I don't want to say "l2p n00b," but saying the ladder and your account is broken is pretty retarded. The ladder is working as intended. You win some, you lose some. That's it. Just focus on you and what you need to do to improve.
What you are saying makes a lot of sense for someone playing a lot with the purpose of improving and climbing the ladder. For that group, including you, hacking would be the largest problem I guess.
For someone that only plays every now and then for the fun of it (like me), the situation is a bit different. Then you lose a lot of the fun, which is the main purpose for this group of players, by serial MMR decay and/or smurfs like you. I'd imagine hacking is less of an issue in lower leagues, although I am not sure, and it may be server dependent.
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the ladder has been a mess ever since hots came out, and will only get worse unless some changes are made. i'm not talking about stupid league redistributing either. really, it needs to go back to the wol system before anything can get better.
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On January 17 2015 15:48 GGzerG wrote: I have played 15+ years, and I promote StarCraft my entire life, but I regret to inform that my gaming experience is being ruined by the poor ladder system, hackers, cheaters, boosters, ect.
I would politely ask that PSIONE, Blizzard, or both PLEASE, PLEASE take into consideration MY ACCOUNT SPECIFICALLY, if there is an issue with it then PLEASE FIX IT.
i've played a lot over the last 15 years and i'm resigned to the fact that Blizzard can not really win the war with maphackers.
they might improve the maps and the ladder system though.
The maphacker war is a losing battle. Blizzard won't commit the resources required to "manage" the problem because the revenue generated by SC does not warrant it. and all they can do is "manage" the problem. it'll never go away.
the cost of getting nailed for hacking has been steadily declining from a peak of ~$80 on the day HotS was released.
the $80 penalty was a mild deterrant. now the penalty is about $35.
as the price of WoL+HotS continues to decline more and more peopel are just saying WTF and hacking like crazy.
a lot of these guys are just flat out bored. if Blizz revokes their keys a lot of them won't rebuy. they are bored to tears with the real game and get their jollies hacking and cheating.
and if they do have to rebuy their way back in .. well i'm not a rocket surgeon but last i checked $35 << $80.
the price will temporarily increase with LotV. and this will help matters for a short time.
fewer people will want to lose their nice shiney brand new LotV keys... and fewer will want to pay the $60 price tag for getting caught.
if u want as hack-free an experience as possible then get LotV on day 1 and play like crazy. eventually it'll descend into the murky waters we are in right now with HotS. so enjoy the purity of LotV while it lasts.
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Anyone remember BigBadNewbie from BW who'd automate ladder matches against himself every single season filling it up with countless accounts. He single handily made BW ladder unplayable. SC2 ladder will ultimately go that way too.
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well there's ICCUP for bw, ESEA for cs, why not go this way for starcraft?
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Just make the MMR public and we'll be good to go ; no more false importance given to leagues and shit, only raw MMR number.
On February 10 2015 23:14 boxerfred wrote:
well there's ICCUP for bw, ESEA for cs, why not go this way for starcraft?
Wouldn't Blizzard try to shut something like this down?
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21 times master here. I am STUCK
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I only now seen this topic. This explains why ggzerg started playing Grey Goo :D
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On February 10 2015 15:51 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 14:54 RampancyTW wrote:On February 10 2015 13:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
ICCUP allows me to not have to play ZvZ, sc2 ladder system is shit in comparison Not sure if sarcastic Actually being able to choose who you play for ranked games and avoid obvious hackers and people you can black list or block is worth alot. And while some might argue that grinding one match up you are good at up the ladder would be abusive to some degree, at least it's a much better training environment and dare I say more fun than rolling the roulette of terrible online bull shit? Well, it IS abusive to the ladder system. And it was frequently abused in BW.
If there were an unranked option for choosing specific maps and matchups and you were willing to play against players of wildly disparate skill levels to cut down wait times, then I'd be all for it. Matchup selection in ranked play is a definite no-no though.
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On February 10 2015 23:33 Fus wrote:
21 times master here. I am STUCK
That's because you need the two other words to unleash your power.
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On February 11 2015 01:51 FFW_Rude wrote:That's because you need the two other words to unleash your power.
Hahaha made my day
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The ladder system is quite good imo. People complaining about it usually don't understand how it works.
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OP, you're not GM cos you dont deserve it, being masters 18 times in a row or 2 times doesnt matter. Points has nothing to do with promotion wtf. MMR is reset after 2 seasons of inactiveness so if you actually believe its cos of your year old games play on another acc for 2 seasons. Go back and realise youre not worthy. This thread pisses me off, accept youre bad, spend your time practising instead of writing angry and posts on TL and you might actually get GM. Flame me if you want idgaf
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Security and anti-cheat are a separate matter from the ladder itself. If Blizzard implements a new anti-cheat system I would be all for it, but the game isn't exactly overrun with hackers. I'd say that a higher percentage of GM players are legit than not.
The ladder system actually seems quite good. Within a few dozen games you find out where you stand. It's not like you're a bad player, GGzerG, but I've watched your stream many times and my opinion is that you're not quite GM material. There's a massive difference between being a high master player and being top 200 in your region, especially when your region is EU or KR. The quality of players is insanely high now and there are limits to everybody's skill.
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On February 11 2015 02:28 Dumbledore wrote:
OP, you're not GM cos you dont deserve it, being masters 18 times in a row or 2 times doesnt matter. Points has nothing to do with promotion wtf. MMR is reset after 2 seasons of inactiveness so if you actually believe its cos of your year old games play on another acc for 2 seasons. Go back and realise youre not worthy. This thread pisses me off, accept youre bad, spend your time practising instead of writing angry and posts on TL and you might actually get GM. Flame me if you want idgaf
Youve been flamed...bitch
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On February 11 2015 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:28 Dumbledore wrote:
OP, you're not GM cos you dont deserve it, being masters 18 times in a row or 2 times doesnt matter. Points has nothing to do with promotion wtf. MMR is reset after 2 seasons of inactiveness so if you actually believe its cos of your year old games play on another acc for 2 seasons. Go back and realise youre not worthy. This thread pisses me off, accept youre bad, spend your time practising instead of writing angry and posts on TL and you might actually get GM. Flame me if you want idgaf Youve been flamed...bitch
He gives no fucks.
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On February 10 2015 23:14 OtherWorld wrote:Just make the MMR public and we'll be good to go ; no more false importance given to leagues and shit, only raw MMR number. Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 23:14 boxerfred wrote:
well there's ICCUP for bw, ESEA for cs, why not go this way for starcraft? Wouldn't Blizzard try to shut something like this down?
Blizzard preemptively shut this down by never allowing it in the first place. Without a LAN system there really isn't much the community can do to run their own ladder. Anti-cheat systems also don't just develop themselves. There needs to be a person or people with the incentive to do it. Without a community-run ladder system I don't see the incentive to develop an anti-cheat system for the purpose of protecting competitive integrity.
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