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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
also I'm pretty excited for the SuperByul | ||
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SackOfWetMice
United States288 Posts
On December 12 2014 01:21 Blargh wrote: SC2 does not have that kind of consistency. While Zest and soO are somewhat surprising, I wouldn't say any of them had the level of dominance that Mvp in his prime did, and certainly not the level of dominance of Flash in BW. Rain has been top 3 Protoss since 2012 (Remember his almost double GSL/OSL simultaneous royal road runs in 2012, winning OSL and only just losing to Mvp 3-2 in the semifinals of GSL). Just lacks the tournament wins - and like you said, SC2 is just volatile in general. Not to mention Rain forfeiting his Code S spot to attend MLG way back when, and giving up the spot he won in Hot6ix Cup this year (through the qualifiers and group stage, no less). Therefore I think in post-2012 SC2 era the most dominant/best players should be the ones who are able to maintain being the best/one of the best of their races, and not as much the ones who get tournament wins. I.E. Rain, Maru, soO, Soulkey... Random upsets are just the nature of SC2. The best players, like the ones I listed, are those who accept that reality, and maintain dominant form most of the time in spite of random inevitable upsets. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16102 Posts
On December 12 2014 01:04 Darkdwarf wrote: I hope Mvp has taken a break to go through surgery in anticipation of LotV. A retirement seems more likely at this point, though.  never doubt mvp. he is just focusing on practice to make sure nobody can beat him in the GSL. | ||
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rotta
5653 Posts
On December 12 2014 01:44 royalroadweed wrote: Still, bomber losing to DynaMite? 0_0 Welcome back to Korea.  | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On December 12 2014 01:48 SackOfWetMice wrote: Rain has been top 3 Protoss since 2012 (Remember his almost double GSL/OSL simultaneous royal road runs in 2012, winning OSL and only just losing to Mvp 3-2 in the semifinals of GSL). Just lacks the tournament wins - and like you said, SC2 is just volatile in general. Not to mention Rain forfeiting his Code S spot to attend MLG way back when, and giving up the spot he won in Hot6ix Cup this year (through the qualifiers and group stage, no less). Therefore I think in post-2012 SC2 era the most dominant/best players should be the ones who are able to maintain being the best/one of the best of their races, and not as much the ones who get tournament wins. I.E. Rain, Maru, soO, Soulkey... Random upsets are just the nature of SC2. The best players, like the ones I listed, are those who accept that reality, and maintain dominant form most of the time in spite of random inevitable upsets. I think 2 years is an important cutoff. The list of players who have been "dominant" (as in, say, one of the best 10-15 players in the world) for 2 years or more in SC2 is pretty miniscule. I can think of: Mvp (from early 2011 until mid-2013) Rain (from late 2012 through now) PartinG (from early 2012 through now) Life (from late 2012 through now) TaeJa (from early 2012 through now) Not really sure who else. I don't think you can put MMA in this category--he had one period of dominance in late 2011/early 2012 and then had a long off period before a resurgence.. Soulkey was amazing in 2013 but not before or after. soO only started being a top player in late 2013 and may (or may not) be falling off now. HerO has been in a (relative) slump since mid-2013. Probably INnoVation is the closest other player, he was already a top player by the end of WoL, but the obvious big slump in individual leagues while on Acer weighs against him. MC and Polt have been consistently very strong players their whole career but they haven't been consistently dominant. Bomber's been around forever but I think 2014 is the first year in which I would call him "dominant." Edit: Maru will probably join this list soon but he only broke out as a top player in mid-2013 when he won his OSL, so it hasn't been 2 years yet. Edit 2: sOs is even closer, I'd say he'll be at 2 years come spring. I'm probably forgetting SOMEONE but I doubt very many. And please don't say Flash. | ||
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SBGamer
Germany115 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16102 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:07 Yakikorosu wrote: I think 2 years is an important cutoff. The list of players who have been "dominant" (as in, say, one of the best 10-15 players in the world) for 2 years or more in SC2 is pretty miniscule. I can think of: Mvp (from early 2011 until mid-2013) Rain (from late 2012 through now) PartinG (from early 2012 through now) Life (from late 2012 through now) TaeJa (from early 2012 through now) Not really sure who else. I don't think you can put MMA in this category--he had one period of dominance in late 2011/early 2012 and then had a long off period before a resurgence.. Soulkey was amazing in 2013 but not before or after. soO only started being a top player in late 2013 and may (or may not) be falling off now. HerO has been in a (relative) slump since mid-2013. Probably INnoVation is the closest other player, he was already a top player by the end of WoL, but the obvious big slump in individual leagues while on Acer weighs against him. MC and Polt have been a consistently very strong player his whole career but they haven't been consistently dominant. Bomber's been around forever but I think 2014 is the first year in which I would call him "dominant." I'm probably forgetting SOMEONE but I doubt very many. And please don't say Flash. Life wasn't dominant all the time. he was strong in 2012 + the first few months of 2013 and now he has started dominating again but between these periods he wasn't very strong. MC and Inno should definitely be in this list | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:07 Yakikorosu wrote: I think 2 years is an important cutoff. The list of players who have been "dominant" (as in, say, one of the best 10-15 players in the world) for 2 years or more in SC2 is pretty miniscule. I can think of: Mvp (from early 2011 until mid-2013) Rain (from late 2012 through now) PartinG (from early 2012 through now) Life (from late 2012 through now) TaeJa (from early 2012 through now) Not really sure who else. I don't think you can put MMA in this category--he had one period of dominance in late 2011/early 2012 and then had a long off period before a resurgence.. Soulkey was amazing in 2013 but not before or after. soO only started being a top player in late 2013 and may (or may not) be falling off now. HerO has been in a (relative) slump since mid-2013. Probably INnoVation is the closest other player, he was already a top player by the end of WoL, but the obvious big slump in individual leagues while on Acer weighs against him. MC and Polt have been consistently very strong players their whole career but they haven't been consistently dominant. Bomber's been around forever but I think 2014 is the first year in which I would call him "dominant." Edit: Maru will probably join this list soon but he only broke out as a top player in mid-2013 when he won his OSL, so it hasn't been 2 years yet. I'm probably forgetting SOMEONE but I doubt very many. And please don't say Flash. Life had a pretty big slump in the middle of 2013 and end of 2013. Mvp dropped off earlier than mid 2013. I'd include MKP (late 2010 - late 2012) and maybe Innovation | ||
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Yakikorosu
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MC... I don't know. Too inconsistent for me. He was certainly dominant from late 2010 through the first few months of 2011 but he was also the first ever GSL champion to fall out of Code A (that's right, before FruitDealer did) and mostly stayed in the map from mid-2011 to mid-2012 through foreign events back when it was mostly foreigners playing in those tournaments. MKP is a little like MMA but at different times; he was certainly dominant late 2010 through early 2011 but then kind of fell off until he had a big resurgence in 2012. I can see an argument for MKP though. Edit: I can't agree that Mvp dropped off earlier than mid-2013. He finished top 4 in WCS 2013 S1 finals, which was in June 2013, and was the closest anyone came in that tournament to beating INno. He did fall off very rapidly after that though. | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:16 ANLProbe wrote: Life had a pretty big slump in the middle of 2013 and end of 2013. Mvp dropped off earlier than mid 2013. I'd include MKP (late 2010 - late 2012) and maybe Innovation Life wasn't really slumping in late 2013. He got to the semifinals of DH:Bucharest, won IEM NY, got second at DH:Winter, and lost in the semifinals of ASUS NorthCon. Also, in the period immediately preceding mid 2013 Mvp won WCS EU and barely lost the semifinals to INnoVation at the Season 1 Finals. Not too shabby. | ||
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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SoulmaN__
Germany80 Posts
Also only 6 Zergs made it through... can't say I'm surprised. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:32 SoulmaN__ wrote: No Rain, Zest, soO and Stats... That sucks. Also only 6 Zergs made it through... can't say I'm surprised. Look again, Stats made it So it only sucks 3/4 as much as you thought | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:27 Carefree wrote: Wow Fantasy made it?!?!?! He beat hero on the way too? At least part of that I'd attribute to herO probably still being jet lagged. But still congratulations to Fantasy, its a great result. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Rly wish they would do groups though, there will be so many deserving players leaving this tournament early... | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
I could see a Ro16 with only 2 Zerg happening :-/ | ||
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Ctesias
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On December 12 2014 02:48 jubil wrote: Wow poor Jim, gets the Asia seed, hype for more non-Koreans in Korean leagues....then gets Maru as a first round opponent. Well, on second thought Maru has seemed to be slumping so maybe Jim can take him out. Scarlett got a nice opponent tho, and she said she already knows who her vT practice partner will be! Her vT practice partner lost a TvZ to TerrorPrime last night. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On December 12 2014 01:21 Blargh wrote: SC2 does not have that kind of consistency. While Zest and soO are somewhat surprising, I wouldn't say any of them had the level of dominance that Mvp in his prime did, and certainly not the level of dominance of Flash in BW. There's a massive difference in the level of competition as well. MVP was head and shoulders above the rest in a relatively new game. He was, skillwise, better than a lot of them. Nowadays however, the competition is much more fierce than it ever was. | ||
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