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On November 08 2014 22:24 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore.  Yes, pre-alpha footage never changes. I'm sure Blizzard will leave it as is. Obviously they hate Starcraft as a whole and the fans in particular.
i dont think they hate starcraft but they dont want it to be a good game but want it to bring much money.
just forcing new units in the game although they are absolutely not fitting in the game.
reminds me of pokemon; just add more and more stuff to get more sells but the game gets shittier and shittier.
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On November 08 2014 22:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:24 Ctesias wrote:On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Yes, pre-alpha footage never changes. I'm sure Blizzard will leave it as is. Obviously they hate Starcraft as a whole and the fans in particular. i dont think they hate starcraft but they dont want it to be a good game but want it to bring much money. just forcing new units in the game although they are absolutely not fitting in the game. reminds me of pokemon; just add more and more stuff to get more sells but the game gets shittier and shittier.
Ha ha ha the Pokemon comparison is actually interesting ^^
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Ugh.. they are buffing everything. This is going to make the game even more volatile.
I've already skipped on HOTS and it seems that I'll do the same with LOTV.
It's heartbreaking to seem my favourite competitive franchise die a slow and painful death, due to pure game-design incompetence.
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On November 08 2014 22:24 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Yes, pre-alpha footage never changes. I'm sure Blizzard will leave it as is. Obviously they hate Starcraft as a whole and the fans in particular.
Lol, no that's not what I was saying. But there have been more lots of people talking about their RTS team working mainly on Heroes and so on.
Also this is alpha. This is not pre-alpha. If the rumours are true closed beta is starting in two months so the time to polish everything is running out on them.
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On November 08 2014 22:23 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Ahaha you are hilariously toxic.
Big J was always quite rational and balanced in opinions, don't know what's going on lately?
Big J, what don't you like about the increase in micro potential in all races? About rewarding players that expand past 3 bases? About toning down hard counters and promoting tactical play?
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On November 08 2014 22:13 Sapphire.lux wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 20:59 SatedSC2 wrote:On November 08 2014 20:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 08 2014 20:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
As a protoss i don't see anything positive except warp prism, Photon overcharge dont shoot at air? What? Why with 12 workers? This is horrible, we need 6 as standart. Protoss addon with shittiest protoss changes, at l;east give me THE REAVER.
Nerfed warp :/
Am speechless At a first glance it looks like Toss got the shorter end of the stick, though nothing is set in stone. As hard as it may be we have to trust in Blizzard to make the right calls after the actual testing. Just all stop with the whine already. This is the avilosation of the SC community. Pitiful. Why shouldn't I whine? Almost everything that has been announced goes counter to the things that I actually like about the game. If the game is released as described then I already know that I will not like it =/ EDIT: It's almost like a completely different game. WoL and HotS are ultimately very similar to one another, whereas LotV is going to have massive changes. I've spent a lot of time playing WoL and HotS and I really like them. I do not like what I am seeing about LotV. Literally going to lose something that I love doing and watching if these changes go through. It's pretty sad. So yes, whining. And lots of it -_- No one is going to take your 1a Protoss deathball away; you can still play HOTS.
If anything the game is heading more in that direction; cutting out early aggression and making it harder to hit quick timings by nerfing warp-in speed (i.e. it's harder to warp in offensively but not at home where your deathball is. The changes push protoss more in that direction while cutting out fun aggressive options as much as possible. Warp prism harass is pretty much dead with the warp-in changes.
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On November 08 2014 22:31 kasumimi wrote:
Ugh.. they are buffing everything. This is going to make the game even more volatile.
I've already skipped on HOTS and it seems that I'll do the same with LOTV.
It's heartbreaking to seem my favourite competitive franchise die a slow and painful death, due to pure game-design incompetence.
The only sad thing is seeing so many people spew so much shit here like they know what they are talking about. Responses in this thread are beyond pathetic and everyone and their mother knows how bad LotV will be while we are not even in Beta yet.
People are wishing for LotV to fail so they can play HotS and can watch HotS tournaments, I mean holy fucking shit.
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On November 08 2014 22:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:24 Ctesias wrote:On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Yes, pre-alpha footage never changes. I'm sure Blizzard will leave it as is. Obviously they hate Starcraft as a whole and the fans in particular. i dont think they hate starcraft but they dont want it to be a good game but want it to bring much money. just forcing new units in the game although they are absolutely not fitting in the game. reminds me of pokemon; just add more and more stuff to get more sells but the game gets shittier and shittier.
wat
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On November 08 2014 22:31 kasumimi wrote:
Ugh.. they are buffing everything. This is going to make the game even more volatile.
I've already skipped on HOTS and it seems that I'll do the same with LOTV.
It's heartbreaking to seem my favourite competitive franchise die a slow and painful death, due to pure game-design incompetence.
I just think they need to :
- change less but change better.
- if they want to make the game more action packed, have mistakes being less punished (no more widow mines that kill every worker/baneling for instance) so that multitask is encouraged and one mistake doesn't end up being insurmountable.
The ambition is great, but they can't afford lazy design. It's the last iteration of the franchise (at least as far as SC2 goes) and should aim at being competitive for 10+ years.
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On November 08 2014 22:33 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:24 Ctesias wrote:On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Yes, pre-alpha footage never changes. I'm sure Blizzard will leave it as is. Obviously they hate Starcraft as a whole and the fans in particular. Lol, no that's not what I was saying. But there have been more lots of people talking about their RTS team working mainly on Heroes and so on. Also this is alpha. This is not pre-alpha. If the rumours are true closed beta is starting in two months so the time to polish everything is running out on them.
Its Heroes closed beta starting in 2 months. Redeye said it's LotV open beta in 2 months, which would probably mean closed beta in November or December.
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hi everyone ,
really ?
swarmhost will be able to send locust withing burring , and then flying locust !!!!!!
Ok terrran and protoss we are dead . Everyone will play zerg .
gg Blizzard
User was warned for this post
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On November 08 2014 22:35 DarkYokai wrote:
hi everyone ,
really ?
swarmhost will be able to send locust withing burring , and then flying locust !!!!!!
Ok terrran and protoss we are dead . Everyone will play zerg .
gg Blizzard
You realize that the cooldown on spawning Locusts will be insanely long?
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On November 08 2014 22:33 Sapphire.lux wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:23 Ramiz1989 wrote:On November 08 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:On November 08 2014 22:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 08 2014 22:16 Daralii wrote:On November 08 2014 22:11 MTAC wrote:
I really don't like the Cyclones and the Toss thing skins though. (And does not looks that fun to play with or watch on the long run...)
Economy wise it can be interesting, but we'll need to see how it goes with lots of pro-plays matches. Can lead to some action from the very first base, (which can only be better than current 3 bases standard play). And eventually lead to agressive expanding and action packed game. We'll see. Hope they'll be lots of High level gamers on LoTV Beta. The models are very obviously incomplete, just look at the HERC's walk cycle and the ravager's texturing. I hope so, graphically speaking it was pretty underwhelming ! I guess the haters were right and blizzard really isn't dedicating a lot to Starcraft anymore. Ahaha you are hilariously toxic. Big J was always quite rational and balanced in opinions, don't know what's going on lately? Big J, what don't you like about the increase in micro potential in all races? About rewarding players that expand past 3 bases? About toning down hard counters and promoting tactical play?
Yeah, I know, that is also very strange. Majority of time I've agreed with his opinions, but this just doesn't sound like him. He was among the guys who actually likes seeing Swarm Hosts vs. Siege Tanks battles and now he is whining about everything, don't really know... someone hacked his account?
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On November 08 2014 22:35 DarkYokai wrote:
hi everyone ,
really ?
swarmhost will be able to send locust withing burring , and then flying locust !!!!!!
Ok terrran and protoss we are dead . Everyone will play zerg .
gg Blizzard
It has to be manually casted, and locusts only last for 25 seconds with a 45 second cooldown. 20 seconds to push ahead and kill the hosts.
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On November 08 2014 22:35 DarkYokai wrote:
hi everyone ,
really ?
swarmhost will be able to send locust withing burring , and then flying locust !!!!!!
Ok terrran and protoss we are dead . Everyone will play zerg .
gg Blizzard
And they spawn way slower. No need to cry.
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only 1 new unit for protoss and that 1 is kinda...weird.
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On November 08 2014 22:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
only 1 new unit for protoss and that 1 is kinda...weird.
DK said there's still one in the pipeline that wasn't ready for presentation.
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i like the broad changes in terms of the type of gameplay issues they're addressing. this could be that they hit on some key things that needed to be changed in order to hit that magical level of interaction that is needed to make a good game. i am very excited about these changes, although i am terrified of actually playing 1v1s in this new game lol ... thank blizzard for casual mode, i guess.
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On November 08 2014 22:38 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
only 1 new unit for protoss and that 1 is kinda...weird. DK said there's still one in the pipeline that wasn't ready for presentation.
I remember they said once that they did not want to go beyond BW level of number of units. That's the reason why I'm a bit surprised to see so many additions, especially since some of them are uncalled for. I would have expected more of an overhaul of units not working well + maybe a new building per race and 1-3 new units overall, not that at all because it'll be a nightmare to balance ! But after all, if they want to make their life more difficult and it results in a more enjoyable game, why not !
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On November 08 2014 22:34 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 22:13 Sapphire.lux wrote:On November 08 2014 20:59 SatedSC2 wrote:On November 08 2014 20:52 Doublemint wrote:On November 08 2014 20:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
As a protoss i don't see anything positive except warp prism, Photon overcharge dont shoot at air? What? Why with 12 workers? This is horrible, we need 6 as standart. Protoss addon with shittiest protoss changes, at l;east give me THE REAVER.
Nerfed warp :/
Am speechless At a first glance it looks like Toss got the shorter end of the stick, though nothing is set in stone. As hard as it may be we have to trust in Blizzard to make the right calls after the actual testing. Just all stop with the whine already. This is the avilosation of the SC community. Pitiful. Why shouldn't I whine? Almost everything that has been announced goes counter to the things that I actually like about the game. If the game is released as described then I already know that I will not like it =/ EDIT: It's almost like a completely different game. WoL and HotS are ultimately very similar to one another, whereas LotV is going to have massive changes. I've spent a lot of time playing WoL and HotS and I really like them. I do not like what I am seeing about LotV. Literally going to lose something that I love doing and watching if these changes go through. It's pretty sad. So yes, whining. And lots of it -_- No one is going to take your 1a Protoss deathball away; you can still play HOTS. If anything the game is heading more in that direction; cutting out early aggression and making it harder to hit quick timings by nerfing warp-in speed (i.e. it's harder to warp in offensively but not at home where your deathball is. The changes push protoss more in that direction while cutting out fun aggressive options as much as possible. Warp prism harass is pretty much dead with the warp-in changes.
How is warp prism harass dead? Most of the times your units won't be attacked while warping in. Also it reduces your defensive options too, for example if you are being dropped or being attacked by a ling runby you can't warp in units right there so easily.
Early aggression isn't cut out at all. You just have early cheese with more units because of the better economy.
I disagree with this nerf and I think (hope) it won't pass the beta but I don't see it changing the game drastically.
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