On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
I'll quote his post again:
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
which doesn't make any sense. Your statement is true, but that's not what I talked about.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
which doesn't make any sense. Your statement is true, but that's not what I talked about.
I guess what I mean tournaments might try some interesting new maps that haven't been on ladder. They would have to ask permission from mapmakers to use maps is what he means I think... so go after less-standard or less used maps.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
I'll quote his post again:
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
which doesn't make any sense. Your statement is true, but that's not what I talked about.
I guess what I mean tournaments might try some interesting new maps that haven't been on ladder. They would have to ask permission from mapmakers to use maps is what he means I think... so go after less-standard or less used maps.
Sure, but why would Blizzard make Dreampool to force them to do this? It probably would've happened no matter what, because they are actually free of Blizzards map restrictions now. And if Blizzard wanted that, they wouldn't need to change the ladder pool this much, they could've various other, more direct measures for that to happen. So no, I don't think
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
On October 31 2014 07:33 CycoDude wrote: said it on b.net, but i'll say it here too: this was a rigged election. there's no way steppes didn't have enough votes.
Where are your stats? I feel like most people were just vocal about steppes potentially returning, that's it.
Personally I would have preferred really old maps over ones that were around for too long and I played them so much it feels like it was just yesterday lol.
On October 31 2014 04:44 Rikudou wrote: cloud kingdom.. probably the most wonderful map ever in our ladder
Most hated map with Daybreak for me. These 2 are somehow identic maps and very standard play. Exciting only begins with the full saturated 4th base (if mainbase is outmined etc), because its spot is very forward compared to other maps.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
which doesn't make any sense. Your statement is true, but that's not what I talked about.
In that line i'm talking about how tournament organizers do not have an incentive to add community maps to their map pools mostly because Pro-players don't give two fucks about community maps for the most part given that's nothing but extra work for them, and any small to medium tournament organizer wants to cater to the proplayers so they can brag about having MC on their tournament, if MC does not feel like he has practiced enough in x tournament specific map, then he will veto it, just like it has happened many times before, and if he can't veto it, he will cheese/do unchivalrous strategies on them.
Now since the map pools are a limited amount of maps, usually getting a community map into a tournament map pool means leaving out a ladder map, and because small to medium tournament organizers do not experience much of an advantage from getting nonladder maps into their map pools because pro players won't practice specially for them most of the times, then there is no incentive to get them in the first place, since the games on them will be low quality no matter the way the community map is set up.
Now this whole thing changes when the ladder map pool is cancerous, no progamer will want to practice in the s4 maps seriously if they think they suck, so they will try be forced to find ways to practice their "good macro games", and if a tournament organizer tries to get a decent amount of money but it has to be played on the s4 ladder map pools, many pro-gamers will naturally oppose it if they feel the maps are coinflippy/bad, which in turn would force tournament organizers to use the s3 ladder maps or ask community mapmakers to use their good competitive maps, and make a map pool out of them mixed with s3 maps.
In short:
"Force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps.
On October 31 2014 01:38 KPrime wrote: So because of the short season I assume that new maps will be out before the next year of WCS starts right? Are there any end of year tournaments such as Dreamhack that are affected by this map-pool? I'm torn as to whether I want to see these played in the pro-scene again.
Its off-season tournaments can make players play in wherever maps they want, they are not forced to play on ladder maps, because as i said there is no WCS points to be given.
Here i'm dreaming that some tournament organizer actually used some of the latest Map Of The Month maps, that would be fun.
Using Map Of The Month is an awesome idea! In the future "end of year" tournaments could be known for their differing map pools. I'd be up for watching that.
That's one of the reasons why this #Dreampool is being done, to force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps, the other factor is that people will be less reticent to play on a map that forces them to play differently than normal if it is a map they have played before, which in turn allow us to be more daring with our ideas for maps without them be shut down instantly by the community for being considered nonstandard.
Wat? You do know that Blizzard forces the tournament organizers to use ladder maps, right? And your saying that Blizzard tries to make tournament organizers to go after mapmakers, while Blizzard also prevented them from doing so all year? Sorry, but that reason doesn't make any sense to me.
That's for WCS. No legit tournament tournament is gonna wanna use these old maps for their tournament, so they might go to new maps... not saying that was blizz's intention but it might be an effect of it.
I'll quote his post again:
force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps
which doesn't make any sense. Your statement is true, but that's not what I talked about.
In that line i'm talking about how tournament organizers do not have an incentive to add community maps to their map pools mostly because Pro-players don't give two fucks about community maps for the most part given that's nothing but extra work for them, and any small to medium tournament organizer wants to cater to the proplayers so they can brag about having MC on their tournament, if MC does not feel like he has practiced enough in x tournament specific map, then he will veto it, just like it has happened many times before, and if he can't veto it, he will cheese/do unchivalrous strategies on them.
Now since the map pools are a limited amount of maps, usually getting a community map into a tournament map pool means leaving out a ladder map, and because small to medium tournament organizers do not experience much of an advantage from getting nonladder maps into their map pools because pro players won't practice specially for them most of the times, then there is no incentive to get them in the first place, since the games on them will be low quality no matter the way the community map is set up.
Now this whole thing changes when the ladder map pool is cancerous, no progamer will want to practice in the s4 maps seriously if they think they suck, so they will try be forced to find ways to practice their "good macro games", and if a tournament organizer tries to get a decent amount of money but it has to be played on the s4 ladder map pools, many pro-gamers will naturally oppose it if they feel the maps are coinflippy/bad, which in turn would force tournament organizers to use the s3 ladder maps or ask community mapmakers to use their good competitive maps, and make a map pool out of them mixed with s3 maps.
In short:
"Force tournament organizers to actually talk to mapmakers instead of blindly go after the ladder maps.
Still, while this may happen, I don't think it was reason for Blizzard to do Dreampool. Blizzard wanted some throwback community action for a time period where they don't really affect tournaments. The scenario you describe may be sideaffect, but I don't think Blizz cares about that or even considered this to be a reason for doing Dreampool.
On October 31 2014 09:17 Banchan wrote: I am happy that Shakuras is back. All I can remember from it was Zerg beating me with BL/infestor, but I loved the map.
I am happy too! cause i'll i can remember is doing the three bunker rush to zergs. good times.
On October 31 2014 07:33 CycoDude wrote: said it on b.net, but i'll say it here too: this was a rigged election. there's no way steppes didn't have enough votes.
Where are your stats? I feel like most people were just vocal about steppes potentially returning, that's it.
a lot of people who said they were voting steppes probably didnt. it became an ironic meme more than people actually desiring to play it. "rigged" lol some people need to get a hobby
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