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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote: why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. | ||
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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SlammerSC2
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:11 Teoita wrote: Nothing about Xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, or Steppes of War can be balanced. They are just not competitive maps. i still think they would undermine the integrity of the poll and remove maps before they would make the daedalus mistake again but i suppose it remains to be seen. you really think people will trollvote noncompetitive maps into the ladder? | ||
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Sirrush
Netherlands165 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:10 brickrd wrote: why? they will rebalance the maps as necessary. after daedalus point they would be out of their minds not to. i would be truly shocked if they didnt There's a specific line in Blizzard's announcement that implies to me they won't be doing any balancing on these old maps whatsoever: " Did you discover an unbeatable strategy on Habitation Station only after it left the ladder?" Plus, you know, rebalancing the old maps would completely defeat the purpose of bringing them back, cause they would be unrecognizably altered. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:14 Sirrush wrote: There's a specific line in Blizzard's announcement that implies to me they won't be doing any balancing on these old maps whatsoever: " Did you discover an unbeatable strategy on Habitation Station only after it left the ladder?" Plus, you know, rebalancing the old maps would completely defeat the purpose of bringing them back, cause they would be unrecognizably altered. im talking about rebalancing on the level of changing rocks or ramp widths not total redesigns. | ||
Psione
United States45 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:06 brickrd wrote: That's definitely a cool map, however only previous ladder maps are eligible for this poll. That still leaves roughly 60 maps to choose from. this one i think? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/417029-2-crux-haeundae yeah i loved watching this map!  | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:09 CygNus X-1 wrote: Pretty sure you aren't in the WCS/GSL so I wouldn't worry too much. Just go out and have fun. It is a game after all. Personally, I'm excited for some nostalgia What does my league matter? I play the game to be as good as I can and work out strategies that makes me win because I played smarter/better. I don't play the game to siege someones natural from my own natural and go "LOL LE EPIC FUN U CANT MINE HAHA I HAF SO MANY FUNS!!". | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:16 Psione wrote: That's definitely a cool map, however only previous ladder maps are eligible for this poll. That still leaves roughly 60 maps to choose from. yeah i saw you post this on bnet  well thats sad and i hope you reconsider but whatever maps end up making it this is still awesome | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Sirrush
Netherlands165 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:14 brickrd wrote: besides, arent they still gathering suggestions on the final poll? i think thats a really important detail. they can simply choose not to let people vote for maps like steppes. im talking about rebalancing on the level of changing rocks or ramp widths not total redesigns. Thats still not going to change much if you can build an inbase Stargate that's closer to your opponents mineral line than yours (Metalopolis), or where one single Medivac Boost will get your across the entire map (pretty much all small maps). You cant have serious practice when every map has a specific strategy thats completely imba. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:18 Sirrush wrote: Thats still not going to change much if you can build an inbase Stargate that's closer to your opponents mineral line, than yours (Metalopolis), or where one single Medivac Boost will get your across the entire map (pretty much all small maps). You cant have serious practice when every map has a specific strategy thats completely imba. what about the first line of my post? they can choose to offer or not offer any maps they want on the poll. if a map cant be fixed or made suitable for hots they probably wont put it on the final poll. maybe im drinking the koolaid but i dont think theyre stupid enough to use the absurdly goofy maps. even if they did it would probably be 2 at maximum and even then i think enough pros would flip shit to stop it | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:18 Sirrush wrote: Thats still not going to change much if you can build an inbase Stargate that's closer to your opponents mineral line than yours (Metalopolis), or where one single Medivac Boost will get your across the entire map (pretty much all small maps). You cant have serious practice when every map has a specific strategy thats completely imba. Yeah exactly. If you want to play for practise you'll have to play exclusively customs which is kind of lame. | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
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Sirrush
Netherlands165 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:20 brickrd wrote: what about the first line of my post? they can choose to offer or not offer any maps they want on the poll. if a map cant be fixed or made suitable for hots they probably wont put it on the final poll. maybe im drinking the koolaid but i dont think theyre stupid enough to use the absurdly goofy maps. even if they did it would probably be 2 at maximum and even then i think enough pros would flip shit to stop it There's nothing in the original post to suggest Blizzard will do any sort of balancing, or map picking. They simply said "The seven maps that receive the most votes by October 1 will be added to the Season 4 ladder map pool." Yes, maybe they will change things, or veto maps, but as of right now there's 0 indication of them doing so, so until that happens I'll continue to flip my shit to make it known that their current (publicly announced) idea/competition is absolutely off the wall insane. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:56 Zheryn wrote: I see why they are doing this for the off-season or whatever you want to call it, but it's going to be pretty annoying to not be able to use the ladder anything if you want to practise competetive games. Playing Scrap Station, Antiga Shipyard etc will not be that useful when the next competetive season will hopefully have maps suited for HotS play. While I get that, a map pool of Steppes, Scrap Station, Jungle Basin, Metalopolis, Slag Pits, Nerazim Crypt, Kulas Ravine, and Lost Temple would be hilarious, and thus actually really good for the game, just a short-term off-season thing. I know I'd be much more inclined to watch streams on that pool. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On September 17 2014 03:16 Psione wrote: That's definitely a cool map, however only previous ladder maps are eligible for this poll. That still leaves roughly 60 maps to choose from. For the love of everything that is nerdy and awesome in the universe, i beg you, please read this article http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/443505-daedalus-point-a-lesson-in-map-making 2-3 maps we can veto are fine, but no more | ||
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