#Dreampool: Old ladder maps return for Season 4 - Page 20

On September 17 2014 16:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
I agree with letting map makers deviate from standard map design in the off season.


I also want to drone rush again.

On September 17 2014 16:34 Meavis wrote:


nowhere is there anything related to mapmakers or future maps and design, they're just bringing old ladder maps.

On September 17 2014 13:03 The_Templar wrote:
I don't see why so many people are upset about this. It's for like two months, when there are no WCS tournaments, and it's experimental, and it gives them time to find new maps for next year (TL MC please)

On September 17 2014 14:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Fucking sick, it would be cool if they do this every year during WCS off season. Fun is good. Nostalgia is good. Community is good.

On September 17 2014 16:27 Dapper_Cad wrote:


The tight restrictions on map makers is the single biggest problem that Starcraft 2 suffers from. It is verging on the bizarre that BW map makers had more options with a map editor made in 1998 -although of course it was hacked into greater effectiveness over the years- than modern map makers have with a map editor made in 2010.

Sure, primarily this is a situation that results from decisions that are essentially irreversible; chokes don't restrict the time it takes for troops to move across the map, sentrys allows terrain remodelling and medivacs are made on mass allowing terrans to "skip" terrain virtually every game, warp-ins also "skip" terrain and can be done anywhere with little preparation and at no extra cost, etc. etc.

However, there is also a lack of adventurousness on the part of the community that is acting a break on map innovation -for example any map on which win rates fall more than a few percentage points outside of 50/50 is considered "broken" or that patches are expected within weeks of race balance falling a few percentage points out of 50/50.

This is a step in the right direction. There's no doubt there are going to be some nightmares in there, but any player that tells you they know exactly how every map from 2010 will play out in the modern game is wildly over-estimating their predictive ability. The brutal and messy arrival of some crazed maps (old or new) might actually result in the discovery of a new meta. It's incredibly unlikely and simply lifting a few restrictions on map makers (no regions, standard minerals) for a few maps in the off season would be a much better move, but still. This is better than nothing.

On September 17 2014 16:34 Meavis wrote:


nowhere is there anything related to mapmakers or future maps and design, they're just bringing old ladder maps.

On September 17 2014 16:36 Teoita wrote:


Appearently some people have decided that 4 year old maps that we know create awful games are in fact innovative and refereshing.