#Dreampool: Old ladder maps return for Season 4 - Page 19

On September 17 2014 12:33 GGzerG wrote:
Instead of being creative and creating new / better maps, lets bring back maps that were terribly imbalanced, and were flawed T_T

On September 17 2014 11:27 iMrising wrote:
If anyone wants a list of all the maps:
I quickly painted all the maps on liquidpedia:
+ Show Spoiler +
perhaps add it on the OP until someone has a more legitimate one

On September 17 2014 11:27 Darthsanta13 wrote:
I actually wonder why they stop at 7? Seems like as an off season they don't really need to have such a coherent or concise map pool. Why not have even more maps, 10, 12, 15? You could just add more vetoes to counteract how large it might be. I think it would be fun to have a really, really big map pool like that.

On September 17 2014 12:33 GGzerG wrote:
Instead of being creative and creating new / better maps, lets bring back maps that were terribly imbalanced, and were flawed T_T

On September 17 2014 16:07 Champi wrote:
As fun as this idea is, it kinda worries me, the game has evolved to a point now where those old maps are going to be ridiculously imbalanced in so many different ways shapes and forms that its going to turn shit upside down on its head.

dont get me wrong, i love the idea, but an entire ladder season? the fun joke will get old WAY before the season ends, and i know a lot of people probably won't be happy about this... pro players in particular

On September 17 2014 10:30 Odowan Paleolithic wrote:


All those ideas are not "simple things" at all. To promote counter-attack you need to have more economical path. If the attacker travels longer to attack one location from different path while the defender has a shorter travel the location (not the map) is to have a defender's advantage. This sounds simple. But add in the constrains of "you need to take a defensible third", a ramp has to be with in certain distance from the natural, you cannot have more than 3 ways to blink in/ fly in, you cannot have too many ramps chock points, you cannot do without chokes at strategic locations etc. "Standard" maps essentially limited to a map that cannot have 3rds next to each other (Deadwing on Cross Spawn), natural ramps has to be far enough from each other while the additional 4+ bases has to be closer to each other (or your "counter-attack" will become base trade), aerial/cliff distance cannot be too far from walking distance (think scrap station to habitation station, why this constraint even exist?).

On September 17 2014 16:27 Dapper_Cad wrote:


The tight restrictions on map makers is the single biggest problem that Starcraft 2 suffers from. It is verging on the bizarre that BW map makers had more options with a map editor made in 1998 -although of course it was hacked into greater effectiveness over the years- than modern map makers have with a map editor made in 2010.

Sure, primarily this is a situation that results from decisions that are essentially irreversible; chokes don't restrict the time it takes for troops to move across the map, sentrys allows terrain remodelling and medivacs are made on mass allowing terrans to "skip" terrain virtually every game, warp-ins also "skip" terrain and can be done anywhere with little preparation and at no extra cost, etc. etc.

However, there is also a lack of adventurousness on the part of the community that is acting a break on map innovation -for example any map on which win rates fall more than a few percentage points outside of 50/50 is considered "broken" or that patches are expected within weeks of race balance falling a few percentage points out of 50/50.

This is a step in the right direction. There's no doubt there are going to be some nightmares in there, but any player that tells you they know exactly how every map from 2010 will play out in the modern game is wildly over-estimating their predictive ability. The brutal and messy arrival of some crazed maps (old or new) might actually result in the discovery of a new meta. It's incredibly unlikely and simply lifting a few restrictions on map makers (no regions, standard minerals) for a few maps in the off season would be a much better move, but still. This is better than nothing.

On September 17 2014 13:03 The_Templar wrote:
I don't see why so many people are upset about this. It's for like two months, when there are no WCS tournaments, and it's experimental, and it gives them time to find new maps for next year (TL MC please)

On September 17 2014 14:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Fucking sick, it would be cool if they do this every year during WCS off season. Fun is good. Nostalgia is good. Community is good.