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Plasmid
57 Posts
On September 10 2014 11:20 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The manner contrast between his answer and Taeja's is so fucking funny ^^ That's where you know Taeja has become a good North American !  | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On September 10 2014 05:17 Twine wrote: Dat scarlett's answer. Nice job. What? Scarlett isn't in the pro's opinion list. I even hit CTRL+F to search for scarlett but nada  .I feel deceived. | ||
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Plasmid
57 Posts
On September 10 2014 15:50 kaluro wrote: What? Scarlett isn't in the pro's opinion list. I even hit CTRL+F to search for scarlett but nada .I feel deceived. i did the same initially. Look for "show spoiler" at the end of the OP. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
On September 10 2014 13:08 ROOTCatZ wrote: you're also missing the point completely FWIW, I get your point and agree. Vaguely related; we get a lot of shit when people's favorites aren't top 10 on aligulac. Doesn't that say something about the players? Maybe they aren't as good as you think? (I know that we have some problems with the system still, but we are working on some changes that are ready for deployment Soon™) | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On September 10 2014 13:38 dacimvrl wrote: Please explain Shoutcraft TB kindly hosted, please.. so exciting that the viewer count is abysmal, amirite? what point is he missing? You said you beat all the top level koreans pretty damn often, name dropping soO, PartinG, Solar, DRG..etc. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt, and so it's fair to assume that watching you is like watching soulkey? Lol... And if your point that the skill difference is so similar stands true, then why would there be a need for this region lock? And why is every bad foreigner advocating it desperately? Explain that one. not sure you read my post at all, I've said plenty of times koreans are on average better, even much better than forgeiners, there's no debating that, and watching a stream / pov is completely different than watching casted match, I am saying that the difference in skill to a viewer shouldn't be noticeable, I know i'd have trouble myself telling a top forgeiner game from a top korean game if the games were blacked out, like I said in a different post, in sc2 ONE unit can make a huge difference in a fight, go open the unit tester and fight 2 mirror armys, and make one of them have ONE extra unit, by the end of the fight there should be a big difference made by that one unit, the army that had it should have not one but multiple remaining units as the one unit is able to do it's dps throughout the entire duration of the fight, Koreans in general are better mechanically, no argument there, to make things even more basic, if Flash or Soulkey can spend his money faster, drone or scv stack better, rally faster, whatever the case, it's very likely that they'll have more units than most if not all forgeiners, that ONE unit can decide the outcome of a game, a difference as sutile as ONE unit, it can be a VERY consistent difference, but its very sutile non the less, I don't think most people can tell differences this sutile ESPECIALLY in a broadcasted game as opposed to a replay, and I am confident forgeiner strategy is just as good as korean. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On September 10 2014 15:52 Jono7272 wrote: Pros saying fans wouldn't be able to tell the difference is starting to come across as them trying to convince themselves they're at a similar level. that's not at all the case, please read my responses if you'd like a further explanation of my thoughts | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 10 2014 16:08 ROOTCatZ wrote: not sure you read my post at all, I've said plenty of times koreans are on average better, even much better than forgeiners, there's no debating that, and watching a stream / pov is completely different than watching casted match, I am saying that the difference in skill to a viewer shouldn't be noticeable, I know i'd have trouble myself telling a top forgeiner game from a top korean game if the games were blacked out, like I said in a different post, in sc2 ONE unit can make a huge difference in a fight, go open the unit tester and fight 2 mirror armys, and make one of them have ONE extra unit, by the end of the fight there should be a big difference made by that one unit, the army that had it should have not one but multiple remaining units as the one unit is able to do it's dps throughout the entire duration of the fight, Koreans in general are better mechanically, no argument there, to make things even more basic, if Flash or Soulkey can spend his money faster, drone or scv stack better, rally faster, whatever the case, it's very likely that they'll have more units than most if not all forgeiners, that ONE unit can decide the outcome of a game, a difference as sutile as ONE unit, it can be a VERY consistent difference, but its very sutile non the less, I don't think most people can tell differences this sutile ESPECIALLY in a broadcasted game as opposed to a replay, and I am confident forgeiner strategy is just as good as korean. it's not just that ONE unit like you are saying though, it's one unit every 10~30 seconds, which piles up..... not to mention the supply blocks and various micro mistakes..etc. | ||
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dungsieu
Vietnam17 Posts
Koreans win every major tournament, even when most of top Korean KESPA players cant go to international tournament. If u want to say level between foreigner and Korean not too much different, please do as good as them first, win some major tournament, get a place in BLITZCON then we discuss again. Except few top foreigners ( most from EU region) can compete with top level korean players and win some games, i doubt any other foreigner can even make into code A ( or code B if they have code C j/k) in GSL level. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Catz, you are right, but on the wrong part of the internets  Edit: It is like saying I could not see the difference between HeatoN in his prime in CS and a "regular" pro. Hell, the biggest fans of CS would tell the difference correctly 9 times from 10. But casual viewer would not, hardcore part of the audience is the smaller though, IMO... Man, last year we were watching some old videos and I was like "This was HeatoN, right?" And after rewind, yeah, it was his play I need to watch some old school videos of CS now, damn it! | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
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sigm
192 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
In WCS EU, the ro32 can be extremely dull and have a level of skill that makes it just not entertaining. If there were less koreans that would be even worse. So if this change actually happens why not just start WCS EU and AM at ro16? It would give a higher level of skill with more competition and make the whole thing more entertaining. in the other hand, in GSL, the ro32 groups are so stacked it's crazy. Maybe add more players (ro48 or ro64) to give more people a chance? | ||
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
Hmmm, I don't know why there's a need to do that. I think all regions should reward the same amount of points." soo is 100% correct here, ofc blizzcon is not top16 then BUT if they want that they can invite the 16 koreans in first place without having the other areas. Its like World Cup, ofc is Germany stronger then Saudi Arabia, but that does not mean that Brasil Germany and Spain send 6 teams each and no more teams for asia ... taeja is right true Don't you think that the North American scene needs to grow in order for the long term health of SC2? There aren't even many NA pros to save. SAD! but true | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 10 2014 16:40 Drake wrote: "Blizzard is considering the redistribution of WCS points by region. What do you think is an appropriate amount for Korea compared to other regions? Hmmm, I don't know why there's a need to do that. I think all regions should reward the same amount of points." soo is 100% correct here, ofc blizzcon is not top16 then BUT if they want that they can invite the 16 koreans in first place without having the other areas. Its like World Cup, ofc is Germany stronger then Saudi Arabia, but that does not mean that Brasil Germany and Spain send 6 teams each and no more teams for asia ... taeja is right true Don't you think that the North American scene needs to grow in order for the long term health of SC2? There aren't even many NA pros to save. SAD! but true Do not think about countries in football but about regions. Because Europe is the strongest region it sends the most countries. Almost half of the countries(13) are from Europe  | ||
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
On September 10 2014 16:53 deacon.frost wrote: Do not think about countries in football but about regions. Because Europe is the strongest region it sends the most countries. Almost half of the countries(13) are from Europe Was about to post that. Europe sends 13, Americas 7, Africa 5 and Asia 3. Not all european countries get equal chances of qualifying for champions league either | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
i notice that the NA pros have paragraphs to write for some reason, unlike the rest. brb finish reading E: I think Catz's post is the most interesting. For a while now I've been wondering whether or not I could tell the difference between a GSL match and WCS EU match, with the name's blacked out. After watching Grubby against Happy, yesterday I got the impression that I could. There are tiny details, like medivacs in danger being turned around and saved, that I picked up. However the overall strategy and mind-games seem to be there. It seems that most people are definitely aware that koreigners are getting the short end of the stick (notice taeja). it also seems like that a lot of people are looking at the NA scene and condemning it to suck tangent: I definitely think casters should stick to being more play by play / some analysis instead of being ridiculously judgmental. e.g. tastosis when they see a player with a game-winning advantage, they'll just say that and give a few possibilities about what might make the game go the other way. tasteless particularly is excellent at explaining what's going in a broad fashion, which is what you want to do generally speaking. "zerg's ahead because of this", "that was a good move from Terran". instead of apollo and kaelris (however it's spelled) who just say "rofl, this guy is dead". | ||
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