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Pros React: WCS 2015 and Region Lock - Page 15

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NOTICE: Blizzard has not officially announced any information on visa criteria, and some players are operating under unconfirmed assumptions.
LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
September 11 2014 03:29 GMT
#281
On September 11 2014 12:03 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2014 10:16 Swift118 wrote:
Oh well I guess it will be fun to watch Incontrol duke it out with Avilo next season in the ro32 WSC NA challenger league in 2015.

Having Avilo in Challenger means that no one is going to be doing LRs or watching the stream on Twitch.


Can you guys stop this extreme hate on another human, almost to the point of straight up discrimination of the guy. You can't pick an choose who you want in WCS, if a player gets in, you can't just hate on a person, that for sure does not promote North American growth.

That is such a hateful 100% wrong and incorrect statement. The only thing holding back the NA scene is the players themselves and lack of infrastructure. It's going to take a long long time for NA to grow.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 11 2014 03:31 GMT
#282
On September 11 2014 12:29 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2014 12:03 geokilla wrote:
On September 11 2014 10:16 Swift118 wrote:
Oh well I guess it will be fun to watch Incontrol duke it out with Avilo next season in the ro32 WSC NA challenger league in 2015.

Having Avilo in Challenger means that no one is going to be doing LRs or watching the stream on Twitch.


Can you guys stop this extreme hate on another human, almost to the point of straight up discrimination of the guy. You can't pick an choose who you want in WCS, if a player gets in, you can't just hate on a person, that for sure does not promote North American growth.

That is such a hateful 100% wrong and incorrect statement. The only thing holding back the NA scene is the players themselves and lack of infrastructure. It's going to take a long long time for NA to grow.

It sure doesn't help that the SC2 fans on TL spend way to much time shitting on them every time an event isn't filled to the brim with Korean players.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12318 Posts
September 11 2014 04:00 GMT
#283
On September 11 2014 12:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2014 12:29 LingBlingBling wrote:
On September 11 2014 12:03 geokilla wrote:
On September 11 2014 10:16 Swift118 wrote:
Oh well I guess it will be fun to watch Incontrol duke it out with Avilo next season in the ro32 WSC NA challenger league in 2015.

Having Avilo in Challenger means that no one is going to be doing LRs or watching the stream on Twitch.


Can you guys stop this extreme hate on another human, almost to the point of straight up discrimination of the guy. You can't pick an choose who you want in WCS, if a player gets in, you can't just hate on a person, that for sure does not promote North American growth.

That is such a hateful 100% wrong and incorrect statement. The only thing holding back the NA scene is the players themselves and lack of infrastructure. It's going to take a long long time for NA to grow.

It sure doesn't help that the SC2 fans on TL spend way to much time shitting on them every time an event isn't filled to the brim with Korean players.


a) That's not even true. Literally, that just does not happen. The majority of TL roots for the foreigner in most korean vs foreigner confrontation.
b) Even if it were true, the part of TL that shits on players is usually into equal opportunity shitting. Whenever someone does badly you'll find someone to tell you how they knew he was terrible from the start. To assess that TL 'does that to foreigners' is just agenda driven.
c) Saying that the level of play will drop in a noticeable fashion, which is in large part the only thing that's been argued in the last few pages, does not equal shitting on american players.
d) I'm totally allowed to hate on a player if I want to. The key word was "hate", it's a feeling, I get to have that if I want to have that, whether the guy qualifies for something or whether he doesn't. If you don't agree, take it up to the Sniper antifans.
e) Please don't take Avilo hate to equal american players hate, that would be insulting towards american players.
f) "You can't pick and choose who you want in WCS", say the people who support kicking competitors out of WCS to the people who are against doing that.
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
September 15 2014 04:22 GMT
#284
On September 10 2014 10:28 Waxangel wrote:
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On September 10 2014 08:49 BreAKerTV wrote:
The part about the Koreans in Taiwan is B.S.

Allow me to explain: a lot of Koreans in Taiwan are capable of applying for visitor visas to compete in the TeSL circuit, but they are not capable of applying for resident visas to compete in the TeSL circuit. What is the difference?

In 2014, if a non-Taiwanese player wanted to compete in the WCS 2014 Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macao qualifiers, they would have to have a resident visa. And before anyone says anything about Sase, I must tell you all he was living a visa-free existence in Taiwan by leaving this country once every 90 days.

http://sc2.egamers.tw/907

CTRL+F. Search the words, "DETERMINING RESIDENCY"

The players who are not a citizen of Taiwan, Hong Kong or Macau must send a scanned copy of their Residency Visa to tw-tournaments@blizzard.com for an evaluation of the residency status.


Unfortunately, the government of Taiwan does not recognize any form of eSports as legitimate enough to grant resident visas. Blizzard Taiwan explicitly stated that if a player wanted to compete in WCS Taiwan / Hong Kong / Macao qualifiers, the said player would have to have a resident visa to be eligible. So, I am an English teacher in Taiwan and I now hold a resident visa. That means I can enter the WCS America: Taiwan / Macao / Hong Kong qualifiers when they happen for next year.

And find no recourse in China either. I have asked Netease if it would be possible for even a Canadian-born Chinese player with Chinese Permanent Residence (aka equivalent to Chinese green card) to compete in that region, and they said no. Bottom line? Citizenship requirement for mainland China, and Legitimate Raison d'etre in Taiwan.


Good to know what the current policy is, since it will probably at least be that strict going forward. Are you sure it's that impossible for Koreans to get that kind of visa?

Sorry for the late reply, but to get that kind of residency (at least as a Korean national, mind you) there are three routes: 1) get married or 2) get a master's degree or 3) get an undergraduate degree and prove that you have at least two years of relevant industry experience to the line of work you are applying to do.

Of course #2 and #3 are both assuming that you need an ARC and not a PARC (U.S. Green Card equivalent) in order to enter the tournament.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
September 16 2014 01:05 GMT
#285
Any other things you'd like to see Blizzard pay attention to in 2015?
Hm, I'd like it if they'd try to get KeSPA players opinions when they're making balance patches. Like, have KeSPA send out a survey to all the players. I'd like it if they'd ask all of us our opinions. Also, when they're making new maps, I'd like it if they asked us our opinions before making them ladder maps. Finally, it would be great if we could have four or more GSLs a year. Three is too few T_T


All of these are good suggestions.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
flyhi
Profile Joined September 2014
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 18:11:18
September 26 2014 18:10 GMT
#286
Wait...what? Does this mean that we can no longer play on any other region as we can now?

If that means that, SEA would be as dead as ever. Finding games in SEA is pretty pathetic and hopeless...judging that sometimes you really have to wait SO long just to find a ladder game...
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