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Pros React: WCS 2015 and Region Lock - Page 14
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 11 2014 03:36 Sunshinewalker wrote: Sweet! I might watch some starcraft again after one year of dota if a foreigner has a chance of winning a tournament again. I'm with you. It will be nice to have the league be a little more focused on the local players. Very excited for 2015 WCS. | ||
Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
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Wasaru
United States91 Posts
On September 11 2014 03:29 Waxangel wrote: Neeb has played some pretty exciting and competitive series against Korean players yo Hey I'm with you man. Neeb or Flash, it's all the same to me. Indistinguishable. So stoked for WCS 2015. Really hoping Desrow makes it far. | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
@Incognoto how can you seriously hold that opinion that there are all of these NA pros who are just practicing with Koreans to get skilled when Taeja himself joked "first there would have to be NA pros" or something like that? Your faith that NA pros a) exist besides like 5 players and b) have any more skill to gain in 2 years, seems pretty delusional. I think NA is basically a minor league with a bunch of hired David Beckman types from a foreign land, they were allowed to come to bring attention to us but now they need to go back and let a league... actually develop? NA will for SURE have the least viewership but it would still be awesome to have a top 32 that best represents us. Everyone knows NA is like special class, but sometimes even special needs kids get to sit at the same table as the cool kids, its not unfair its just being decent to your fellow humans. At least NA pros have a chance to become peers to the Korean and European someday. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
On September 11 2014 03:36 Sunshinewalker wrote: Sweet! I might watch some starcraft again after one year of dota if a foreigner has a chance of winning a tournament again. Koreans are going to be dominant at Dota2 too in two years at most. It didn't take them long to become unbeatable in league, either. Koreans WILL become the best at any given game if KeSPA deems it worth their time to develop the scene. Keep jerking off to the meaningless wins before Koreans decide to come take all your money. | ||
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Defenestrator
400 Posts
Maybe normal viewers can't tell the difference, or can't point to the mistakes in one player's play vs another's. But when Taeja holds a roach/baneling allin while going greedy 3 CC's and hellions and 1 bunker, we know as viewers that he held that because he's fucking Taeja. We don't really get how he held it, and oftentimes neither do the casters; but the point is, that he did hold, and some random foreign Terran pro would have been crushed by that same allin. THAT is why we want to see the best. In addition, while if you pick any random game and point out all the mistakes, maybe we can't tell the difference between Korean pro and NA GM. But there's enough games we see that we CAN tell why one player won vs another, even if it's not every game (or even a majority of the games). And for the record, I feel the main reason Catz does not do well in tournaments is due to his inferior mechanical skill compared to his opponents, which I find painfully obvious when watching his games. Clearly his strategic level is among the best, but his downfall always seems to be mechanics or nerves. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
- Less Koreans in NA/EU Server = No training partner for the best foreigner = More gap between EU/NA and KR - More WCS Points to Foreigner = Unfair points system (We all know that the top 16 for BlizzCon (and I think the top 25-30) is made only by koreans (counting the skill level). Creating a points system that gives more point to foreigner is just a way to say "ok, foreigners are not good, but we are finding a way to mask it") - Obviosly there are some foreigner out from this, and they are Snute, Scarlett, VortiX, and maybe Huk, Major and Bunny - they are the only foreigners that show that can be to korean's level | ||
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sc2isnotdying
United States200 Posts
On September 11 2014 05:37 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I want Catz to get one of his friends to straight up make a tournament and lie about who's playing. Say its like some special show match between soO and Pigbaby. And then go "we have an announcement to make, this was actually Huk vs. Neeb" muahahaha! I seriously would like to see that to test his theory. Totalbiscuit could probably pull it off without people the wiser. @Incognoto how can you seriously hold that opinion that there are all of these NA pros who are just practicing with Koreans to get skilled when Taeja himself joked "first there would have to be NA pros" or something like that? Your faith that NA pros a) exist besides like 5 players and b) have any more skill to gain in 2 years, seems pretty delusional. I think NA is basically a minor league with a bunch of hired David Beckman types from a foreign land, they were allowed to come to bring attention to us but now they need to go back and let a league... actually develop? NA will for SURE have the least viewership but it would still be awesome to have a top 32 that best represents us. Everyone knows NA is like special class, but sometimes even special needs kids get to sit at the same table as the cool kids, its not unfair its just being decent to your fellow humans. At least NA pros have a chance to become peers to the Korean and European someday. I think most fans can tell the difference between a PvZ and a PvT.  | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12533 Posts
On September 11 2014 03:39 hitpoint wrote: You guys are getting so bent out of shape about some comments that are basically true. Maybe he took it to an extreme by saying you "can't tell the difference," but what he means is - the difference isn't that huge, and it's not big enough to detract from your enjoyment. He's right. The Koreans in WCS NA are inferior to the ones in Korea, right? I'd rather watch less skilled foreigners than less skilled Koreans any day. And let me say it again, that's where the dishonesty comes from. We're not trading Heart for Neeb. We're keeping Neeb, that we already have, and trading Heart for people that are of a lower level than them. There is no equivalency between the people that we kick and the people that we'll get, because we already have the people that are equivalent. If you think the level of play won't drop, then you don't understand what we're trading. You can certainly say that you think it will help NA, I don't know that. I think you're wrong but I don't think my opinion is more important than yours on the subject. You can certainly say that you'd rather watch NA players than koreans, that's up to you, we all have our preferences in what we watch. But to say that the level won't drop because top foreigners have the same level as middling koreans is a fallacy: the conclusion is right, but the premise is wrong. | ||
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for_the_swarm
United States48 Posts
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1238 Posts
On September 11 2014 00:11 prokofiev wrote: The fact that people can not recognize the difference between Soulkey and CatZ without looking at their nicknames in a game, doesn't mean that people don't prefer too watch the better play anyway. As someone said here, I am not an expert in Boxing and I can not tell the specifics differences between the top 5 boxers in the world and the top 5 boxers of the city I live. But I would obviously prefer to watch a fight between the top 5 boxer than the championship of the city I live, because I KNOW they are doing awesome things and they would humiliate boxers like those from my city. As CatZ admitted, a top korean GM could point the differences between soO and Nerchio skill in a game, so, I prefer to watch soO because I KNOW he is doing awesome things, while Nerchio is doing things that maybe EVEN ME could do, or, at least, he is doing not-so-bizarre-things. That is the reason I love to watch top koreans against foreigners (except snute), because it became evident the gap in skill, sense of game etc. I would never watch WCS NA without the koreans, because I KNOW (by experience) that the skill level would be low, and that's the same reason and don't watch a box competition from the city a live. (sorry my english) that's a perfectly valid argument, I'm not debating against that stance | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On September 11 2014 07:28 ROOTCatZ wrote: that's a perfectly valid argument, I'm not debating against that stance Okay, so your main argument is that a region-locked gives foreigners the needed infastructure to go pro in Sc2? Wouldn't you say this is a bit too late? I mena you don't wanna make long-term investments into products that are gonna decline anyway. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
the games weren't even close | ||
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prokofiev
Korea (South)10 Posts
First of all, it is too strange if 40%, 50% or more players in WCS NA are koreans. It's not correct. I like the idea of region tournaments and then a world cup with the top players of each region. I think that's the idea of a world cup. However, there should be some smart rules, like: the region of the world tournament winner (Korea, probably hahaha) might have more seats in the next edition ETC. I think it's a fair rule. | ||
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
Teams need the money to invest into proper training structure and take a bigger role than just being an agency for players. Region lock is just a cop out, not a long term solution. hey what do you know? someone addressed the elephant in the room After reading what the players had to say, it gave me a itsy bitsy glim of hope who knows, I might even watch some SC2 after what, 15 months? | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
avilo vs neeb is the na equivalent of soulkey vs rain I suppose. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
On September 11 2014 10:16 Swift118 wrote: Oh well I guess it will be fun to watch Incontrol duke it out with Avilo next season in the ro32 WSC NA challenger league in 2015. Having Avilo in Challenger means that no one is going to be doing LRs or watching the stream on Twitch. | ||
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