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Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
September 07 2014 00:08 GMT
#141
On August 27 2014 20:38 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:39 Lunareste wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:15 Thax wrote:
On August 26 2014 16:14 Lunareste wrote:
This is so fucking ridiculously hype.

Now THIS r016 is actually Blizzcon worthy.


...

9/16 players are the same as the current WCS top 16, Pigbaby is 17th.

With the exception of Rain (and he's just 1 good performance away from qualifying) and maybe Flash I really don't see that many players here who are better players for Blizzcon than Life, Taeja, Polt, Hyun, hell, even Snute has proven that he can go toe to toe with players of code S caliber on a good day ...


Finally somebody says it.

Is this lineup better than the top 16 for Blizzcon? Yes, but not by much at all.


eh, when I look at the WCS standings and see 7 players that are barely even in the top 50 worldwide, there's a problem. Just my opinion, of course.


I'd love for you to name those 7 as I've just pointed out the huge overlap with this tournament you think is so off the charts. Are you really arguing that Life, Taeja, Jaedong, ... aren't top 50? That's ... an interesting opinion.

Well idk about 7, ( or top 50 either) but I highly doubt that Stadust, MC, jjakji, or even Jaedong (as he's been playing lately) are as good as, say, Rain (ranked 22), Maru (26), TRUE (35), Parting (36) or Soulkey (50)
Gandalf on balance: "It's always darkest before the dawn"
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
September 07 2014 00:35 GMT
#142
On August 27 2014 05:55 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:15 Thax wrote:
On August 26 2014 16:14 Lunareste wrote:
This is so fucking ridiculously hype.

Now THIS r016 is actually Blizzcon worthy.


...

9/16 players are the same as the current WCS top 16, Pigbaby is 17th.

With the exception of Rain (and he's just 1 good performance away from qualifying) and maybe Flash I really don't see that many players here who are better players for Blizzcon than Life, Taeja, Polt, Hyun, hell, even Snute has proven that he can go toe to toe with players of code S caliber on a good day ...


Finally somebody says it.

Is this lineup better than the top 16 for Blizzcon? Yes, but not by much at all.

I mean, I'm pretty sure (T)Sorry has yet to even play a broadcasted match ffs. I wouldn't doubt Snute being of a comparable level to him, but we'll have to wait and see how he does to be sure.

Super has his moments but he's not that amazing. Reality is doing well lately but I'm still not totally sold on him. Taeja and Polt are definitely better. Rogue/ByuL have great potential but currently I'd say they're at best equal to Life and not significantly better than Jaedong nor Hyun (both of which can play at an incredibly high level when they're in the zone).

If you really think that Snute is as good as Sorry, then I am afraid you are delusional. Also Polt is not better then Reality I don't think (blah blah blah, results in foreign tournaments, blah blah blah - spare me pls).

EDIT: Or you just didn't see Sorry play in the RedBull qualifiers, that's totally understandable then - but you'll be in for a surprise.

Sorry didn't play RB qualifiers, so it is likely, that FMW didn't see him there. Also, the only players, he defeated this year offline, are Zoun, Bulldozer and Billowy, while Snute list includes TRUE, Stork, sOs and herO (twice), if you only look at the last two months. He had a good run in the IEM qualifier, but he eventually ended up not qualifying for the tourney, where Snute was the closest to eliminate the eventual champion (arguably tied with MC). And his kespa cup qualifier run, while still a good run, featured no players of the caliber, of the guys, Snute defeated recently.

To cut it short, I don't think, Sorry is as good as Snute. For that he would have to defeat a Code S player offline and he only did that once in his entire career (Symbol in Code A WCS season 3 2013).
linuxguru1
Profile Joined February 2012
110 Posts
September 07 2014 01:58 GMT
#143
Where will this be streamed? Can't seem to find that info anywhere...
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 02:19:29
September 07 2014 02:19 GMT
#144
On September 07 2014 10:58 linuxguru1 wrote:
Where will this be streamed? Can't seem to find that info anywhere...


I'm pretty sure it'll be on the Pro league twitch channel, that's where they streamed the qualifiers too.

So they'll have the Youtube stream up too I guess?
ChapatiyaqPTSM
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1887 Posts
September 07 2014 09:38 GMT
#145
Yes: http://e-sports.or.kr/page_kespacup3.php?_module=kespacup&_page=channel
LiquipediaBoy, these pretzels are makin' me thirsty.
linuxguru1
Profile Joined February 2012
110 Posts
September 07 2014 13:11 GMT
#146
Thanks!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 07 2014 13:16 GMT
#147
Hoping Flash wins and Zest does well. Stories are awesome.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
September 07 2014 13:42 GMT
#148
On August 26 2014 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm not sure how much I like the fact that there is a protoss in every single starting match.


it's either that or more PvP, choose your poison
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 07 2014 13:43 GMT
#149
On September 07 2014 22:42 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm not sure how much I like the fact that there is a protoss in every single starting match.


it's either that or more PvP, choose your poison

PvP isn't that bad. I don't really think it makes a difference, if the protoss players are better than the terrans/zergs then we're going to see more PvP anyway.
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
September 07 2014 14:11 GMT
#150
On September 07 2014 09:35 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 05:55 Ammanas wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:15 Thax wrote:
On August 26 2014 16:14 Lunareste wrote:
This is so fucking ridiculously hype.

Now THIS r016 is actually Blizzcon worthy.


...

9/16 players are the same as the current WCS top 16, Pigbaby is 17th.

With the exception of Rain (and he's just 1 good performance away from qualifying) and maybe Flash I really don't see that many players here who are better players for Blizzcon than Life, Taeja, Polt, Hyun, hell, even Snute has proven that he can go toe to toe with players of code S caliber on a good day ...


Finally somebody says it.

Is this lineup better than the top 16 for Blizzcon? Yes, but not by much at all.

I mean, I'm pretty sure (T)Sorry has yet to even play a broadcasted match ffs. I wouldn't doubt Snute being of a comparable level to him, but we'll have to wait and see how he does to be sure.

Super has his moments but he's not that amazing. Reality is doing well lately but I'm still not totally sold on him. Taeja and Polt are definitely better. Rogue/ByuL have great potential but currently I'd say they're at best equal to Life and not significantly better than Jaedong nor Hyun (both of which can play at an incredibly high level when they're in the zone).

If you really think that Snute is as good as Sorry, then I am afraid you are delusional. Also Polt is not better then Reality I don't think (blah blah blah, results in foreign tournaments, blah blah blah - spare me pls).

EDIT: Or you just didn't see Sorry play in the RedBull qualifiers, that's totally understandable then - but you'll be in for a surprise.

Sorry didn't play RB qualifiers, so it is likely, that FMW didn't see him there. Also, the only players, he defeated this year offline, are Zoun, Bulldozer and Billowy, while Snute list includes TRUE, Stork, sOs and herO (twice), if you only look at the last two months. He had a good run in the IEM qualifier, but he eventually ended up not qualifying for the tourney, where Snute was the closest to eliminate the eventual champion (arguably tied with MC). And his kespa cup qualifier run, while still a good run, featured no players of the caliber, of the guys, Snute defeated recently.

To cut it short, I don't think, Sorry is as good as Snute. For that he would have to defeat a Code S player offline and he only did that once in his entire career (Symbol in Code A WCS season 3 2013).


I think he is thinking of Journey
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Chylvain
Profile Joined July 2012
France43 Posts
September 08 2014 08:37 GMT
#151
I am afraid to see 6 protoss in RO8, hate PvP matchup ;(

Game 1 : Classic vs Rogue
Game 2 : San vs ByuL
Game 3 : Pigbaby vs Zest
Game 4 : sOs vs Reality
Game 5 : StarDust vs Flash
Game 6 : soO vs Super
Game 7 : herO vs Sorry
Game 8 : Bomber vs Rain

"No GG, No Skill", that's why I never say "gg".
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
September 08 2014 14:08 GMT
#152
On September 07 2014 09:08 Walnuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 20:38 Thax wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:39 Lunareste wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:15 Thax wrote:
On August 26 2014 16:14 Lunareste wrote:
This is so fucking ridiculously hype.

Now THIS r016 is actually Blizzcon worthy.


...

9/16 players are the same as the current WCS top 16, Pigbaby is 17th.

With the exception of Rain (and he's just 1 good performance away from qualifying) and maybe Flash I really don't see that many players here who are better players for Blizzcon than Life, Taeja, Polt, Hyun, hell, even Snute has proven that he can go toe to toe with players of code S caliber on a good day ...


Finally somebody says it.

Is this lineup better than the top 16 for Blizzcon? Yes, but not by much at all.


eh, when I look at the WCS standings and see 7 players that are barely even in the top 50 worldwide, there's a problem. Just my opinion, of course.


I'd love for you to name those 7 as I've just pointed out the huge overlap with this tournament you think is so off the charts. Are you really arguing that Life, Taeja, Jaedong, ... aren't top 50? That's ... an interesting opinion.

Well idk about 7, ( or top 50 either) but I highly doubt that Stadust, MC, jjakji, or even Jaedong (as he's been playing lately) are as good as, say, Rain (ranked 22), Maru (26), TRUE (35), Parting (36) or Soulkey (50)


That isn't my point. With the exception of Rain (who I think is probably the best player in the world and definitely should be at Blizzcon) none of those are in the Kespa Cup either. But somehow Kespa Cup is awesomely stacked and Blizzcon is a joke ...

Fwiw, I wouldn't underestimate Stardust; MC even though past his prime, has proven that he's still dangerous even to players like Flash and jjakji, sadly, has fallen off a lot again since the end of last year/start of this year, when he was back in Code S shape. Jaedong is Jaedong, he'll bounce back up.

Anyway, this whole WCS points problem is still Korea's (or KeSPA's I should say) problem. It's hardly the rest of the worlds fault that they don't organize any tournaments in their home scene.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9049 Posts
September 08 2014 14:40 GMT
#153
Flash's life would be much easier if Super beat soO.
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
September 08 2014 16:26 GMT
#154
Ez second place for soO.
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 08 2014 16:29 GMT
#155
On September 08 2014 23:40 Garnet wrote:
Flash's life would be much easier if Super beat soO.

I wouldn't be so sure. Super is a former MVP Protoss and Flash might spontaneously salvage bunkers and get blunk'd
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 08 2014 16:37 GMT
#156
On September 09 2014 01:29 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 23:40 Garnet wrote:
Flash's life would be much easier if Super beat soO.

I wouldn't be so sure. Super is a former MVP Protoss and Flash might spontaneously salvage bunkers and get blunk'd

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, soO beat Flash just a few days ago. So...
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 08 2014 17:31 GMT
#157
On September 08 2014 23:08 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 09:08 Walnuts wrote:
On August 27 2014 20:38 Thax wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:39 Lunareste wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:15 Thax wrote:
On August 26 2014 16:14 Lunareste wrote:
This is so fucking ridiculously hype.

Now THIS r016 is actually Blizzcon worthy.


...

9/16 players are the same as the current WCS top 16, Pigbaby is 17th.

With the exception of Rain (and he's just 1 good performance away from qualifying) and maybe Flash I really don't see that many players here who are better players for Blizzcon than Life, Taeja, Polt, Hyun, hell, even Snute has proven that he can go toe to toe with players of code S caliber on a good day ...


Finally somebody says it.

Is this lineup better than the top 16 for Blizzcon? Yes, but not by much at all.


eh, when I look at the WCS standings and see 7 players that are barely even in the top 50 worldwide, there's a problem. Just my opinion, of course.


I'd love for you to name those 7 as I've just pointed out the huge overlap with this tournament you think is so off the charts. Are you really arguing that Life, Taeja, Jaedong, ... aren't top 50? That's ... an interesting opinion.

Well idk about 7, ( or top 50 either) but I highly doubt that Stadust, MC, jjakji, or even Jaedong (as he's been playing lately) are as good as, say, Rain (ranked 22), Maru (26), TRUE (35), Parting (36) or Soulkey (50)


That isn't my point. With the exception of Rain (who I think is probably the best player in the world and definitely should be at Blizzcon) none of those are in the Kespa Cup either. But somehow Kespa Cup is awesomely stacked and Blizzcon is a joke ...

Fwiw, I wouldn't underestimate Stardust; MC even though past his prime, has proven that he's still dangerous even to players like Flash and jjakji, sadly, has fallen off a lot again since the end of last year/start of this year, when he was back in Code S shape. Jaedong is Jaedong, he'll bounce back up.

Anyway, this whole WCS points problem is still Korea's (or KeSPA's I should say) problem. It's hardly the rest of the worlds fault that they don't organize any tournaments in their home scene.


technically they do. It's the fact that there are a lot more organizers out there who want a little piece of the pie and host crap around the world with their own formats. It is what it is and they're umbrellas.
linuxguru1
Profile Joined February 2012
110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 23:04:48
September 09 2014 22:17 GMT
#158
Did I miss the first day? It doesn't look like it was streamed on sc2proleague on Twitch?

EDIT:
Woops...

Day1 : 2014. 9. 11(Thu), 13:00~21:00 KST
Day 2 : 2014. 9. 12(Fri), 13:00~21:00 KST
Day 3 : 2014. 9. 13(Sat), 13:00~19:00 KST
Day 4 : 2014. 9. 14(Sun), 18:30~21:30 KST


Thank you The_Templar, for making me double check my double check of the schedule after reading your reply.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 09 2014 22:48 GMT
#159
On September 10 2014 07:17 linuxguru1 wrote:
Did I miss the first day? It doesn't look like it was streamed on sc2proleague on Twitch?

Hasn't started yet, try again in a few days.
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