At the beginning of 2013 Blizzard had a dream, a vision of what SC2 should be and where it should go. The World Championship Series was a plan to unify the three major regions in SC2: Korea, North America, and Europe. With that in mind, they accordingly rebranded GSL as WCS Korea (later rescinding their decision) and created WCS America and Europe. The format itself was simple and uniform across all three regions. Players went into qualifiers to get into Challenger. Challenger League was cut down to thirty-two players and from those remaining players, Premier League (Code S in Korea) was formed. And at the end of the season one player from each region was crowned the victor. Despite the uniform format, each region has eventually given rise to a unique storyline, a certain atmosphere, a point of character that is distinct from the other regions.
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United in Diversity
Before WCS started, Europe was the healthiest scene with activity at every level of competition. They had small online cups like Zotac and Go4SC2. Beyond that Europe had national tournaments like Esports SM, EPS, Lantrek and the Copenhagen Games. Outside of Korea, Europe organized the two largest team leagues in ATC and Nationwars. Above that were the big LANs like Gfinity, Assembly, ASUS Rog, IEM and DreamHack.
Not only that, but Europe has always been the true home of the foreigner hope. While NA has produced some of the strongest foreigners in the history of SC2 like Huk, Idra and Scarlett, it was Europe that consistently produced the most threats to Korean dominance. Players like Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain, Stephano, Snute and Vortix offered hope that the rule of Seoul would be a relic of the BW era. Yet from 2010 to the end of 2013, there have only been a handful of foreigners that could play against the best and win at any given moment.
With the creation of WCS EU came a huge influx of Koreans. Some were old champions like Mvp, MC and MMA. Others were lesser known Koreans like Duckdeok, Genius or First. Some moved permanently into Europe like ForGG, Jjakji and Stardust. While there was some resistance at first, they were all eventually welcomed and integrated into the scene. In the end, it wasn’t surprising that Korea came to dominate the foreign scene. Many of them were able to attend more tournaments due to proximity, the Kespa switch encouraged some to seek success elsewhere, and former frontliners like Naniwa and Stephano went into decline. All of this eventually culminated in the 2013 Korean All-Kill as they won every Premier tournament in 2013.
And yet despite the lack of one super foreigner, the EU scene is arguably the strongest it has ever been. Maybe it was the influx of Korean players on the EU server, or the increased sense of cooperation among players, or just the natural competitiveness of pro players as they are forced to battle against players of a higher caliber and rise to the occasion. Whatever the case, the era of one foreigner holding the torch by himself is over. In its stead we have players from all across Europe getting progressively better. The forerunners right now are Snute, Vortix and Welmu who have each consistently reached the top 8 multiple times. Outside of that, all three have proven to be a threat to just about any Korean in the world.
Yet just one year ago Snute was completely lost. After facing an early elimination in WCS AM, Snute wrote about coming to grips with his inner demons in his blog. He expressed severe doubts about himself, about how far he could go and whether he had finally hit his glass ceiling, one that could not be shattered by practice. Many people make the mistake of believing that getting better at SC2 is a linear scale. That the amount of time put in practicing will necessarily lead to results. At best, practicing long hours non stop just gives the highest correlation to victory. It takes mechanical skill, understanding of the races, the opponent, series planning, composure, mental fortitude, confidence, an understanding of one’s strengths and weaknesses and how to exploit them, and numerous other factors that can lead to either victory or defeat. And even if you have all of that, you can still easily lose. There are no tangible ways to know how good you actually are. You can win all of your practice games and fail the official matches. You can win your official matches, but lose all your ladder games. Snute’s story may be a personal one, but it is one that every SC2 player (except for probably MC) has gone through. Now one year later he is one of the few foreigners to have won a major and the only foreigner to have beaten TRUE and Stork in a group stage.
While Snute’s struggle was a personal one, Vortix and Stardust faced a more outward fight. More maliciously known by their critics as PatchZerg and CheeseDust, these two players had little in common besides an obsessive compulsion to prove their haters wrong. Both players have taken those monikers and transformed them into their own purpose. What were once petty spiteful nicknames have become an ironic sobriquet as no one can doubt their newfound strength. Vortix has made it to the last 4 ro8’s, the only foreigner to accomplish this feat besides Lucifron. Meanwhile Stardust won the last WCS EU. No one can say anything anymore because nothing can be said. They have proven time and time again that they are two of the strongest players in Europe.
Beyond them are a plethora of players like Elfi, Serral, Nerchio, TLO, Mana, Grubby, Dayshi, Harstem, ToD and many other clear and present threats. Some are making breakthroughs just now, like Bunny with his victory over Sacsri in Challenger and first place at Gfinity. Even players like Morrow and Demuslim are making resurrection runs after long periods of inactivity. Everyone in WCS Europe comes with their own story, their own struggle, their own failings and triumphs.
Perhaps the most famous story of WCS EU comes from the most faceless player of all. Duckdeok spent an entire career practicing in Korea, showing nothing for his efforts besides one Code S appearance. Once WCS was made, Duckdeok bet it all on a change in scenery. He went into the qualifiers with cross server ping and kept playing till he won. He paid his own way to fly to Europe and win his first and only ever championship in SC2 before burning out at the Blizzcon 2013 ro8.
Yet the story of WCS EU is not about any one player or race, it is not about the old champions or the new challengers, the local legends or the immigrated. It is all about all of them. No matter where they come from, what lives they’ve lived, here at WCS EU they have all united as one to play the game they love.
Before WCS AM started, the American SC2 scene was in a sorry state. Whatever few small online cups were shortly canceled or terminated (though later brought back through the sheer the efforts of people like TotalBiscuit, Destiny, MLG and ToD). The major lans in NA eventually all went away. IPL pulled out; MLG quit after handling the early seasons of WCS AM; NASL could no longer run their online league format but took up WCS AM from MLG only to go bankrupt, leaving ESL to stop the WCS AM scene from crashing. This description barely touches on all the other problems that cropped up during that time. The retirements, the diaspora of the NA Ladder to either KR or EU, the numerous problems of the initial WCS AM qualifiers, visa issues, the lack of a central place for NA or Canadian players to meet and play/discuss/create content for NA...the NA scene in 2013 was a bleak thing.
This is to say those that remained were too dedicated, passionate, competitive and stubborn to quit. Those few stragglers included the likes of Kane, Illusion, QXC, Puck, Catz, Suppy, Xenocider, Major, Hendralisk, Scarlett, Huk and a few others. Even some new blood came in from players such as Drunkenboi, Neeb and Arium. These were the core group left in NA and the ones that WCS AM was aimed for. Yet the region itself was just too important to everyone. WCS AM became the hub for the Australians, Chinese, Taiwanese, and Koreans that didn't want to stay in Korea. The region functioned as the inn at the crossroads, a place where all the disparate factions with nowhere else to go could congregate and play.
Prior to the creation of WCS AM, China had remained a completely isolated region. At best they came out once a year to play at either Blizzcon or WCG. The same could be said of Taiwan as Sen was the only player to ever leave the country for foreigner tournaments. While SEA was a bit better in that they had streams to their locals, for the most part only Moonglade was able to travel abroad. But after WCS AM was made, the floodgates opened. Soon Chinese names like Jim, MacSed, Xigua and Toodming became household names. Other SEA players like Pig and Tilea. Iaguz and Petreaus joined ROOT and moved to America to pursue their dreams: Iaguz has become the first Australian to have made it to the Ro16 WCS AM since mOOnGLaDe in its inaugural season. Taiwanese players like Ian, Slam and Has have won amazing games against some of the best in the world.
At the same time many players in Korea were chafing under the stress of staying in Korea. Who could blame them? Before Kespa ever joined SC2, the amount of SC2 players in the region was staggering. As Kespa transferred over, that number effectively doubled. There was too much talent in a small space that lacked the sponsors, tournaments, and incentive to support it. Even if they wanted to stay, it would be most likely under Kespa house rules as a majority of ESF teams were quickly closing shop. Could they do it again? Could they play under near inhuman training hours to almost never again go to another foreign tournament? Could they run the risk of never getting to play an official game if they couldn’t be one of the top four players on their team?
Some, like Parting and Maru, decided to transfer over. But for players like Stardust, MC, Jaedong and Hyun it was time to travel to unknown countries, meet new people, and play the game they loved under their terms. For Polt, Violet and Balloon it was time to live the American dream. The three of them left for America at different times: Violet left in early WoL, Polt left right before the creation of WCS AM, and Balloon left just recently. Among all of the players assembled in WCS AM, Polt might be the most American. He left Korea to study and pursue his dreams in America. He learned English, ate steak and waved the American Jack in front of the entire MLG Audience to the chants of “USA! USA! USA!”
All told, WCS AM became a vast melting pot of strange people and even stranger play styles. You had the Americans, the Canadians, the Chinese, the Taiwanese and the Australians. Sometimes you had Europeans like Demuslim and Snute. Other times someone from the Philippines showed up. And the Koreans were all just as eccentric as their foreigner counterparts.
There’s Taeja, a player so confounding that when Coach Park met him his first thought was “The hell kind of player is this?” Revival and Oz played the best year of their careers in 2013 before leaving EG to spitefully get better results. Meanwhile Polt had possibly the hardest time of any player in 2014. He battled against Protoss pre-WM buff, pre-blink nerf on such famous maps as Yeonsu, Frost, Polar Night, Heavy Rain and Daedulus Point with a counter attack style all of his own inventing. Let's not even get into Polt’s incessant need to only win comeback games.
There’s Bomber who spent just enough time in Korea to be called a “third rate Terran” by Tastosis, who assured us Bomber had no chance against “first rate” Terrans like Innovation and Flash. Bomber went on to smash both of them in WCS Season 2, reaching the semi-finals of the OSL and winning the WCS Season 2 Finals. Then he got onto a plane, flew over to America and sky dived to the WCS AM studios. And he did all of that with weird esoteric builds he never used again and builds so archaic that if you had told me Bomber had traveled from 2012 to the future, I would have believed it. It is telling that Heart, the patron saint of 1-1-1, is the most standard Korean Terran playing WCS AM.
There are the anthropomorphizations like Hyun, who is basically a Roach, or Alicia, the embodiment of a Void Ray. You have Pigbaby and his 7 observer/2 base carrier/2 base Tempest build or whatever the hell he feels like doing on a particular day. And then there are the foreigners. Iaguz spent the majority of his career trapped in SEA killing Zerg after Zerg after Zerg like an exterminator trapped in a forest of wasp nests. Major and Scarlett are...well actually they’re pretty normal. Just ignore Major’s prophetic powers to predict the next greatest player and Scarlett’s desire to play PvZ in her ZvZs.
Last, and by far the weirdest, are the Chinese and Taiwanese players. Having been locked up to play each other for three years with almost no outside contact, the isolation was bound to have some side effects. It turns out all the Terrans died, the Protosses became insane, and the zergs are mostly normal with a tinge of crazy. Jim and MacSed love to proxy the robo in their soul trains, use 2 base or 1 base all-ins against Zerg, and are currently addicted to phoenix collosus in TvP. Then we have players like Top and Shana. Beyond Top's insane 10 minute long all-in that beat Violet and Shana's insane 2 base all-in against Crank, I really have no clue how to describe them. Just listen to Iaguz's words of wisdom concerning Has:
“True story about Has.
If he goes proxy oracle and you're going mine drop, he won't expand. He'll add gateways, and you'll scout his lack of expansion. You'll add tanks (void ray bust inc), and he'll make one or two. Then he won't bust. And you'll sit up your ramp and wonder what's taking him so long.
Then you'll go to move out and you'll find the bottom of your ramp full of cannons. Cannons? But I have siege tanks! I can siege them! And then his tempests open fire.
He'll expand to your low ground natural afterwards, when his main starts to run a bit dry.
There's a vod on youtube of him killing MMA with this, I shit you not. I really hate Has. I fucking do.”
Has then proceeded to eliminate Jaedong from WCS AM with 6 pylons.
While nowhere near as crazy as their Protoss counterparts, the Chinese zergs have something distinct about them that separates them from the rest. Case in point: Toodming vs Scarlett. Scarlett has roaches so the natural answer is to get more roaches. Fair enough. Scarlett has makes roaches and hydras. In response Toodming gets more Roaches. Fine, that works sometimes. Scarlett maxes out on roach/hydra/infestor. Toodming...just moves his roaches around. Scarlett decides to attack with her superior composition. Then Toodming wins by re-enacting the Battle of Cannae as he gets a perfectly timed 360 surround on her army. There is Slam who just recently beat Puck using ultra/nfestor/queen/viper. And who can ever forget the insane Heart vs Xigua comeback? Down to 7 SCVs, Heart survives every onslaught and snatches victory through sheer willpower and skill. Bomber vs Toodming game was equally memorable: with 80% of the map covered in creep and on 6 bases, Toodming throws wave after wave of ling/bane/muta at Bomber until the zerg burns out.
That's what WCS AM is about. Either through luck or sheer coincidence, WCS AM has produced some of the craziest games in the entirety of HotS. When you gather players from around the world and combine them with some of the weirdest and insane Koreans playing today you get some amazing games, some hilarious games, and some weird as fuck games. Let me leave you with a summary of the game I feel best exemplifies the WCS AM spirit: Byul vs Revival.
That was like watching Revival cross the street and then a car is about to hit him. Then BAM, the car explodes, but the debris are flying everywhere, but Revival fucking dodges only to hit his head into a fire hydrant. He then gets up and is mugged by guys with guns and is about to get shot but then one of the thugs backstabs his friends and Revival gets the fuck out of there, but is then chased by a pack of ravenous dogs. He crashes through a butcher shop, throws the meat at the ravenous dogs to only have the butcher try to stab him, only to have the previous thugs start shooting up the butcher and the police coming in to shoot the thugs. After surviving all of that Revival walks home to only have a piano fall out of the sky and almost land on top of him until mutas swoop in from nowhere and die for him.
What comes to mind when you think of the GSL? Is it the games? Certainly many of the best games were played there: Maru vs Dear, TRUE vs Fantasy, Soulkey vs Rain. Is it the rivalries? There are certainly a lot of those, perhaps too many to count: KT vs SKT, Zest vs SKT, TRUE vs Fantasy, soO vs Finals. But that’s not quite right. Is it the teams? They certainly have the best teams in the world with all the PL players participating. But in an individual league the team is secondary to the player, and no one can deny they have the best in that department.
If you ask me it is the pursuit of the title, the scramble to be “The Strongest.” It is no accident that when Blizzard increased the GSL prize pool to the GSL for being the hardest region, the GSL funneled it all into first place. For the Koreans the victory is everything. Winning a championship, standing on that stage and saying “I am the best in the world”, is the quintessential dream. Yet every new champion that is crowned feels a bit underwhelming. Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
Mvp’s strength (if you could call it that) is almost a tautological concept. When other players describe champions besides Mvp, they say they’re tough to play because of an ostensive reason: high mechanical skill, builds, understanding of the game, micro, matchups. But when they describe Mvp, it is in self-reflexive terms. Mvp will win because he is himself, a veritable voice from the burning bush. Some point out that Mvp had won most of his championships during an “easier” time. While this may be true in the overall sense, it also ignores the fact that Mvp had to invent the game from the ground up. During his struggle to deal with mass patches and strange maps, he laid the groundwork for terran in all matchups. Then take into account the fact that WoL alone had more premier tournaments than the entirety of BW, Mvp’s own injuries, and the fact that he won in spite of ever-shifting metas that rotated between all three races. Oh, and he somehow triumphed over broodlord/infestor.
All told, he is the greatest champion SC2 has ever produced. Even now, years after he vacated his throne at the end of WoL, his presence still haunts the GSL. We have had four new champions crowned in Korea since the start of HotS (5 if you count Maru's victory from the last season of OSL). And yet the throne remains empty, not from lack of trying. Those who play in Korea want it. More than anything, they want to become the successors to that legacy. They want to be able to proclaim that they are not just the best in the world, but one of the best to have ever played. In a sense the whole machine is driven by pure systemic egotism, the widespread belief that being the absolute best is the only ideal that matters. There are many examples among the Korean players, but two stand out for exactly what this ideal means and what it costs: Yugioh and Stork.
Yugioh was something special, the King of Code A, the only player to have reached Code A 15/16 times. When given the choice between staying in Korea or moving on to WCS AM/EU, he was the only one who chose to stay. No one quite knows why. Was it a sense of glory? Was he too stubborn to give up? Maybe his sense of sentiment got to him and he was unwilling to let go of his realm.
Tastosis called Yugioh one of the scrappiest players to have ever played SC2 and I completely agree. Both inside and outside decisions paint a picture of a boy too recalcitrant, too contrary to give up his dream of being the best. He was someone who, when the chips were down, seemed to pull out some inner strength that did not allow him to give up. On the last night of Slayers, everyone else was busy saying goodbye and moving on. Every player that had built the team (Ryung, MMA, Taeja, Alicia, Ryung, Ganzi, Min, the list goes on forever) had left and it was all over but the crying. Only Yugioh stood against the entire world with his pain, his anger, and his loss, the star of his own Linkin Park music video. He took all of it and channeled all of it into an almost unstoppable rage as he knocked out player after player. But instead of celebrating what should have been his last hurrah, Yugioh was angry. Victory after victory, he would slam down his headphones on the keyboard, rip out his earplugs, slam the booth door behind him, go back to the bench and cover his head in his arms and wait for the next one to come up.
That moment, that essence was what Yugioh was. A player unwilling to back down against any challenges, no matter how nigh insurmountable. Maybe that was why he stayed. Because to do any less would be a betrayal of whom he was and what he believed in. But in the end it was too much. After a series of personal misfortunes and the dissolution of Code A into a gigantic Up/Down Group, Yugioh had nothing left to fight for. His dream beyond reach, his kingdom shattered, Yugioh finally retired. He’s a cautionary tale of the challenges Korean players face in the pursuit of greatness.
Some would argue that it would have been the better move to leave. They would be right. But that isn’t what the GSL is about, and that isn't what its players are about. It is the everlasting pursuit of victory, of greatness and nobody quite exemplifies that in recent times as much as Stork.
Among the ‘Taek Bang Lee Ssang’, Stork has earned my respect the most. Jaedong had the backing of EG to fly anywhere in the world; he got numerous second place finishes and had the adoration of fans everywhere. Flash started out as one of the best players in HotS and even though he never performed in individual leagues, he was always one of the best PL players. Despite having done okay in SC2, Bisu retired and returned to BW.
By contrast Stork had an unequivocally terrible start to his new career. He dropped from one of the greatest Brood War veterans to one of the worst players on Samsung. He went from the most beloved esport in Korea to one that had waned in popularity to the point that the lack of fans convinced Bisu to retire. He went 0-13 in PL, went winless for 268 days. Unlike Jaedong, he never got the chance to do any mass traveling. Unlike Flash, he was never the ace for his team and had worse individual league performances. But unlike Bisu, he did not retire despite having every conceivable reason. But Stork, much like Yugioh, was too stubborn to quit. In his interview with Flash and DES, Stork stated numerous times that he thought of retiring every day. But in the end he stuck with it. He had that same inner fire, that desperate desire to win that drove him to BW glory and became evident during his recent games. It showed in his PL 7 game win streak and his GSL games even as he was eliminated by TRUE.
That is the story of the GSL, the desperate scramble as the top players in the world fight to fulfill their dreams. It is the pursuit of victory in the shadow of Mvp. It is the insane drive against all odds. It is as much about the fall of Yugioh as it is about the comeback of Stork. It is the pursuit of the dream to be the champion. To be the best. Not just for one day. Not just for one tournament. But all time. Mvp left his throne and now it waits for the next successor.
Major and Scarlett are...well actually they’re pretty normal. Just ignore Major’s prophetic powers to predict the next greatest player and Scarlett’s desire to play PvZ in her ZvZs.
This had me cracking up so much o.o
Also, the only foreigners to ever beat Stork offline are Scarlett and Snute :D
Thanks for this ! Great write up, although I don't agree with much of the WCS system, I think it does add a lot of valuable stories and events to the scene, which is a great thing. Also VortiX is a boss, I love his style.
[QUOTE]On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?
Its about time I watch Yugioh's rampage. I've always heard of it but never saw it for myself. One game in and holy shit. I don't think I've seen any player with that much emotion besides Duckdeok winning WCS EU
On August 22 2014 13:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: Its about time I watch Yugioh's rampage. I've always heard of it but never saw it for myself. One game in and holy shit. I don't think I've seen any player with that much emotion besides Duckdeok winning WCS EU
The best GSTL moment of all time and possibly the best team league moment of all time.
Man. That article is just... man. Fuck me, that was awesome.
IMMvp, man. Fucking IMMvp. My ultimate SC2 fanboy dream is for Mvp to miraculously rehabilitate himself, make it into Code S, and then proceed to get out of both his round of 32 and 16 groups in second place with the tightest map scores possible, win his quarter and semis by one game in super tight single digit unit fights by the end of the games, until he faces Flash in a TvT final that goes seven games, each one in excess of 30:00, with the scrappiest games you have ever seen. And at that point I wouldn't even fucking care who won because FUCK YEAH MVP!
On August 22 2014 13:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: Its about time I watch Yugioh's rampage. I've always heard of it but never saw it for myself. One game in and holy shit. I don't think I've seen any player with that much emotion besides Duckdeok winning WCS EU
The best GSTL moment of all time and possibly the best team league moment of all time.
The worst part about watching this now is I know this I know how the story ends. I'm up to Yugioh vs Sniper. Its such a shame Yugioh retired, but I'm glad he'll forever have a legacy
That was like watching Revival cross the street and then a car is about to hit him. Then BAM, the car explodes, but the debris are flying everywhere, but Revival fucking dodges only to hit his head into a fire hydrant. He then gets up and is mugged by guys with guns and is about to get shot but then one of the thugs backstabs his friends and Revival gets the fuck out of there, but is then chased by a pack of ravenous dogs. He crashes through a butcher shop, throws the meat at the ravenous dogs to only have the butcher try to stab him, only to have the previous thugs start shooting up the butcher and the police coming in to shoot the thugs. After surviving all of that Revival walks home to only have a piano fall out of the sky and almost land on top of him until mutas swoop in from nowhere and die for him.
This was the best article I've read in a long time. The multicultural nature of WCS America especially resonated deeply with me. Stuchiu, thanks for the sneak peek for the article by posting that paragraph about Revival in the Kespa Cup qualifier thread. I wondered how you'd written something so perfect so fast.
On August 22 2014 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This was the best article I've read in a long time. The multicultural nature of WCS America especially resonated deeply with me. Stuchiu, thanks for the sneak peek for the article by posting that paragraph about Revival in the Kespa Cup qualifier thread. I wondered how you'd written something so perfect so fast.
He had a friend who helped speed along the process huehuehue
On August 22 2014 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This was the best article I've read in a long time. The multicultural nature of WCS America especially resonated deeply with me. Stuchiu, thanks for the sneak peek for the article by posting that paragraph about Revival in the Kespa Cup qualifier thread. I wondered how you'd written something so perfect so fast.
He had a friend who helped speed along the process huehuehue
But seriously, stuchiu is a really fast drafter.
It was an ugly misshapen thing before my editor smoothed out all the edges.
Though I take full credit for my full on delusional stream of consciousness at the end of the WCS AM.
On August 22 2014 13:22 rift wrote: Mvp did as "well" as he did because he was the best player in a weak field during a year with 9 GSLs. Get real.
A younger competitive scene has its own unique challenges. As the article points out, unlike now where the meta is more stable, back then lots of things were still being figured out and mvp rose to the challenge. Remember how they nerfed ghosts because of him?
WCS AM I don't give a slightest fuck, EU I could watch the final, GSL I'd rather have it twice as often + OSL. My opinion: the whole scene went downhill since WCS started. Please do not argue, this is what I think not what I'm trying to prove true.
On August 22 2014 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This was the best article I've read in a long time. The multicultural nature of WCS America especially resonated deeply with me. Stuchiu, thanks for the sneak peek for the article by posting that paragraph about Revival in the Kespa Cup qualifier thread. I wondered how you'd written something so perfect so fast.
You know, I was a pretty big GSL snob earlier in SC2. I didn't watch many foreign tournaments because I just figured the Koreans would crush anyways (and they usually did). But the past year, I've pretty much *only* watched WCS AM.
I could never put my finger on what I liked so much about it, but this article really put into words what I was feeling. Such a great mash-up of craziness. I think for representative WCS AM vods honorable mention has to go to Heart - Suppy sometime last year.
On August 22 2014 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This was the best article I've read in a long time. The multicultural nature of WCS America especially resonated deeply with me. Stuchiu, thanks for the sneak peek for the article by posting that paragraph about Revival in the Kespa Cup qualifier thread. I wondered how you'd written something so perfect so fast.
You know, I was a pretty big GSL snob earlier in SC2. I didn't watch many foreign tournaments because I just figured the Koreans would crush anyways (and they usually did). But the past year, I've pretty much *only* watched WCS AM.
I could never put my finger on what I liked so much about it, but this article really put into words what I was feeling. Such a great mash-up of craziness. I think for representative WCS AM vods honorable mention has to go to Heart - Suppy sometime last year.
It was in contention. We just couldn't find a place to squeeze it in.
That was a fantastic read. Thanks so much stuchiu for putting together a great piece. Especially what you said about WCS America, it's always funny thinking about why I like it so much. It's just a giant hodgepodge of crazy that melds into something beautiful I find. WCS has been an absolutely awesome experience.
Amazing article. The Korean one almost brought a tear to my eye. I guess that's the reason why I enjoy Korean scene the most. The players are playing to win. They just want it and they are willing to sacrifice almost anything just for the win. And it's not just in individual leagues. Proleague is more or less the same, it is all about winning. I love that scene.
On August 22 2014 13:22 rift wrote: Mvp did as "well" as he did because he was the best player in a weak field during a year with 9 GSLs. Get real.
This is so unfair. As has been said the early stages after a games release present a completely different and unique challenge. MVP was the one who happened to be able to adapt better to the changing meta game than anyone else. Not to mention that he has been constantly hampered by his wrists. We really have no idea what sort of impact that has on his ability to play and train.
On August 22 2014 13:07 Jazzman88 wrote: Man. That article is just... man. Fuck me, that was awesome.
IMMvp, man. Fucking IMMvp. My ultimate SC2 fanboy dream is for Mvp to miraculously rehabilitate himself, make it into Code S, and then proceed to get out of both his round of 32 and 16 groups in second place with the tightest map scores possible, win his quarter and semis by one game in super tight single digit unit fights by the end of the games, until he faces Flash in a TvT final that goes seven games, each one in excess of 30:00, with the scrappiest games you have ever seen. And at that point I wouldn't even fucking care who won because FUCK YEAH MVP!
Lol, that's so true. Can't really imagine anything more awesome than that.
This game is the epitome of WCS America for me. This was the deciding game 5 for a Premier League spot. Keep an eye on Top's natural nexus on the minimap :D
On August 22 2014 13:07 Jazzman88 wrote: Man. That article is just... man. Fuck me, that was awesome.
IMMvp, man. Fucking IMMvp. My ultimate SC2 fanboy dream is for Mvp to miraculously rehabilitate himself, make it into Code S, and then proceed to get out of both his round of 32 and 16 groups in second place with the tightest map scores possible, win his quarter and semis by one game in super tight single digit unit fights by the end of the games, until he faces Flash in a TvT final that goes seven games, each one in excess of 30:00, with the scrappiest games you have ever seen. And at that point I wouldn't even fucking care who won because FUCK YEAH MVP!
Lol, that's so true. Can't really imagine anything more awesome than that.
Yeah nothing would be more awsome. Too bad it won't happen
As great as WCS is, I hate that we have so many amazing players like Mvp, Polt, TaeJa, MMA and more who are away from GSL, the absolute best competition. I want to see Mvp defy the longest odds he's ever faced and become a 5x GSL Champion, but that will never happen when the 'easy' WCS EU money is somehow tempting him away from his rightful home (and throne). It's just such a shame that apart from State (who has massive, titanium testicles) we don't have anymore foreigners attempting the hardest competition in the world and our own little "elephant in the room" type thing going on where like 4 of the Top 10 Terrans in the world aren't in WCS KR (which I truly believe contributed to the poor showing for Terrans the last couple seasons).
I just wish GSL was a seperate tournament again, so Mvp and other great Koreans could take their easier chance at money, but still be able to give the toughest tournament in the world a shot.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
The whole Jonathan versus Greg thing had more to do with the fact that the game was still fresh. The bubble was going to eventually pop with your mlgs and everything else.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
It's what we dealt with during all those BW years? TeamLiquid thrived on the fact that there could be two communities. We had a good combo of both lmao. How else you think this community could live on back then!?!?!
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
It's what we dealt with during all those BW years? TeamLiquid thrived on the fact that there could be two communities. We had a good combo of both lmao. How else you think this community could live on back then!?!?!
Im not sure to undertsand what you say. So sorry if my answer is wrong.
its like you need to pay back something to koreans, cause they are good at this game. They have a lot of exposure in every major tounrament. I dont see why foreigner could not have 1, not 15, just 1 MAJOR tournament (meaning with a good cashprize, and exposure) for them to show us what they can do. I will thx koreans everytime to make Esport getting so big by their skills, but they are not alone on this planet to enjoy this game or make it enjoyable to watch. (Nationwars, plz!)
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
Foreigners have had plenty of chances. It isn't a coincidence that Naniwa and Scarlett - both of whom went to Korea for extended amounts of time - rank among the best foreigners of all time and among the only ones to reliably beat Korean players. Some may work as hard, but that isn't the norm and the fact that you think your average Adonminus works as hard as someone like sOs tell me you might not know what you're talking about.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
Foreigners have had plenty of chances. It isn't a coincidence that Naniwa and Scarlett - both of whom went to Korea for extended amounts of time - rank among the best foreigners of all time and among the only ones to reliably beat Korean players. Some may work as hard, but that isn't the norm and the fact that you think your average Adonminus works as hard as someone like sOs tell me you might not know what you're talking about.
And it has been obvious in some foreigner tournaments with no-shows, forfeits, and insentient complaining that they aren't working as hard as the Koreans. Plus I don't buy the 'they work hard they deserve it' argument either. You deserve it when you beat everyone else and win - not because you worked hard.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
Foreigners have had plenty of chances. It isn't a coincidence that Naniwa and Scarlett - both of whom went to Korea for extended amounts of time - rank among the best foreigners of all time and among the only ones to reliably beat Korean players. Some may work as hard, but that isn't the norm and the fact that you think your average Adonminus works as hard as someone like sOs tell me you might not know what you're talking about.
"Plenty of chances" tell me when please, cause if we didnt had a stephano or nani or scarlett, SC2 would have even more dead. Cause of this 'We need koreans to make this game interesting". And plz you compare sOs to adominus, that comparison :/. Proleague player with crazy team and environnement to pratice with the bests. Adominus a player who try to make a name in WCS EU in Cascade gaming . And Im sure he has not the same environnement to practice. And now tell me that a mana/scarlett/Vortix dont work as hard as a MMA/MC/Stardust. But yea Im the one who dont know what Im talking about.
I sincerely hope a Flash/Stork rivalry is in the making. I don't know with the KR article for this was written if it was prior to Flash going on an enormous tear or not but I feel like it was a missed storyline. The man who said it would take two years for him to dominate the game makes good on his promise. Finally getting two big name BW stars in the limelight of SC2 able to step overtop lesser players with seeming ease that they stepped on them in BW. No more Flash losing to No-Name B'ish Teamers. Hopefully with some renewed starpower SC2 can gain a bit more traction in KR that it desperately needs and, honestly, deserves.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
Foreigners have had plenty of chances. It isn't a coincidence that Naniwa and Scarlett - both of whom went to Korea for extended amounts of time - rank among the best foreigners of all time and among the only ones to reliably beat Korean players. Some may work as hard, but that isn't the norm and the fact that you think your average Adonminus works as hard as someone like sOs tell me you might not know what you're talking about.
"Plenty of chances" tell me when please, cause if we didnt had a stephano or nani or scarlett, SC2 would have even more dead. Cause of this 'We need koreans to make this game interesting". And plz you compare sOs to adominus, that comparison :/. Proleague player with crazy team and environnement to pratice with the bests. Adominus a player who try to make a name in WCS EU. And Im sure he got the same environnement to practice. And now tell me that a mana/scarlett/Vortix dont work as hard as a MMA/MC/Stardust. But yea Im the one who dont know what Im talking about.
Dreamhacks, ROGs, MLGs and IPLs (should probably mention that there were a bunch of online cups and invitationals available for foreign players up to at least 2012) were all virtually foreigner-exclusive until mid-2011, so we could start there. Then there are of course all of the WCS tournaments in 2012 that catered not only to foreigners but to foreigners from several different countries. Then there are the tournaments that various community figures have organized exclusively for foreigners (TotalBiscuit's Shoutcraft America comes to mind), but do you know what the problem was with those tournaments? Typically, they were plagued by walkovers, forfeits (some mid-series), disinterest and low interest. On the contrary, TB's Shoutcraft Invitational featured 8 of the world's best players and was the perhaps most successful online event of all time.
I could also compare Adonminus to hyvaa, Bunny, Sleep, Billowy, Hack, Pigbaby, Trend, Sacsri, Bravo, Hush or Hurricane. I would bet a month's worth of money (if I had any income to speak of...) that all of them work harder than Adonminus. This is not me bashing him, by the way, this is me simply stating the fact that even the Korean players that have struggled for years to make a dent in Korean tournaments on average practice harder and more than foreign players. You didn't say "the top 4 foreign players work as hard as mid-tier Koreans" (which I would also dispute), you simply made a sweeping statement claiming that foreigners, overall, work just as hard as Koreans. And that simply isn't true.
I would also be interested in your opinion on why the interest in WCS AM has been growing recently. As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a huge influx of foreign players, yet the league seems to finally be gaining popularity (despite being jokingly called WCS KR 2). I remain unconvinced that you know what you're talking about.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
On August 23 2014 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody who's vocal about wanting a region locked WCS would actually watch an NA only tournament.
Great article. Makes me want to follow the WCS a lot more. I've really only been watching Dreamhacks and not really caring about any of the WCS points it awards.
Why do people who say they want to see the best players play the best games support a system that separates the best players into 3 different tournaments?
On August 23 2014 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody who's vocal about wanting a region locked WCS would actually watch an NA only tournament.
You'd be wrong. I loved 2012 WCS.
Yeah, I don't get why people keep saying this. Especially since in the current wcs system NA would probably also include SEA, CN, etc. Which is easily a large enough pool of players to make sure there are interesting and high-level games.
My dream wcs 2015 would be residential region lock (so you either have to be currently living in the region or maybe just be a citizen of the region) and expand GSL to 64 or even 96 or 128 players or something, with compensation to match. With 3 or 4 wcs seasons a year there is surely enough time to get through that many players. Of course, money would be an issue. But hey, it's my dream so it can be unrealistic.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
Let's be real, the NA scene was on the way to the bottom before WCS AM. Maybe it could have limped on longer, but it was clearly on the way out.
What we have now is both entertaining and sustainable.
But I see that you guys are both from EU, which had a different history than AM and most likely would have kept trucking along without Korean players.
So I'll assume you guys are just remembering the glory days of NA when you say WCS AM was hurt by the influx of Koreans (seriously, Polt - Jaedong couldn't have happened anywhere else and I'm sure gave AM a huge shot in the arm).
On August 23 2014 02:43 Cheren wrote: Why do people who say they want to see the best players play the best games support a system that separates the best players into 3 different tournaments?
Because we can watch the best players play at any time in the day. And we get to see more of them, imagine GSL with all of today's top koreans.
On August 23 2014 02:43 Cheren wrote: Why do people who say they want to see the best players play the best games support a system that separates the best players into 3 different tournaments?
Because we can watch the best players play at any time in the day. And we get to see more of them, imagine GSL with all of today's top koreans.
Most of the top Koreans play in GSL anyway, but regardless, the system was much better with the season finals. As long as the prize pool is similar in all 3 regions you'll eventually reach an even distribution of talent, which prevents the best players from playing each other apart from Blizzcon and weekend LANs, and a lot of top KesPA players barely even go to LANs.
To be clear I'm not saying we should go back to region lock, just bring season finals back if you want to spread top players around the world.
On August 23 2014 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody who's vocal about wanting a region locked WCS would actually watch an NA only tournament.
You'd be wrong. I loved 2012 WCS.
Yeah, I don't get why people keep saying this. Especially since in the current wcs system NA would probably also include SEA, CN, etc. Which is easily a large enough pool of players to make sure there are interesting and high-level games.
My dream wcs 2015 would be residential region lock (so you either have to be currently living in the region or maybe just be a citizen of the region) and expand GSL to 64 or even 96 or 128 players or something, with compensation to match. With 3 or 4 wcs seasons a year there is surely enough time to get through that many players. Of course, money would be an issue. But hey, it's my dream so it can be unrealistic.
A fourth region in China/Taiwan would be good too.
ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
Reading these 3 storylines is epic, and I am really happy with the direction that WCS and overall SC2 skill has gone. Thank you TL for being there the whole way.
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
This is true as we've seen plenty of Koreans become part of the European scene, living in Europe and practicing on the EU ladder, which is a perfectly fine situation with me. It does nothing but good. But the same thing has not happened at all in North America except for Polt and Violet.
... and whether he [Snute] had finally hit his glass ceiling, one that could not be shattered by practice.
This is a mysterious statement. "Glass ceiling" is normally thought of as the systematic maltreatment of a distinct group of people. Typically women by denying them promotion, hence the invisible "glass ceiling" they hit.
On August 22 2014 14:43 jalen wrote: The only reason that EU can hold is because the lag between KR to EU. Since the Koreans can live in EU and play from EU. The EU scene fall quickly.
It helps that the Korean competition in EU is comparatively weaker than AM.
Hyun, Polt, Taeja, and Bomber are consistent monsters and Heart has been looking quite powerful lately as well.
By comparison who is really a consistent threat in EU? MMA, Jjajki, MC and Stardust have been the biggest competitors but I would hardly say they're the same caliber of players as the WCS AM guys, MMA might be the exception but he looks terribly weak at times and ridiculously strong other times similar to Hyun.
Yoda and First are just now starting to pick up steam. It'll be interesting to see how they shake things up.
On August 23 2014 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody who's vocal about wanting a region locked WCS would actually watch an NA only tournament.
You'd be wrong. I loved 2012 WCS.
Yeah, I don't get why people keep saying this. Especially since in the current wcs system NA would probably also include SEA, CN, etc. Which is easily a large enough pool of players to make sure there are interesting and high-level games.
My dream wcs 2015 would be residential region lock (so you either have to be currently living in the region or maybe just be a citizen of the region) and expand GSL to 64 or even 96 or 128 players or something, with compensation to match. With 3 or 4 wcs seasons a year there is surely enough time to get through that many players. Of course, money would be an issue. But hey, it's my dream so it can be unrealistic.
A fourth region in China/Taiwan would be good too.
I think at this point I'd rather see the TeSL league give WCS points (which it does) and that new Chinese league GPL give points but keep them in WCS AM. Make it so that you have to live (or be a citizen) in your region to compete in it, and count the CN and Taiwan scene living in the WCS AM region.
Then add an extra GSL season to the year so there are 3 WCS AMs and EUs and 4 GSLs and give the GSLs the same points as the WCS regions. This would compensate players who can't get out of Korea often by still giving them plenty of opportunities for WCS points. Now that there aren't any season finals there's no reason to have equal numbers of seasons and the GSL has fit far more than 3 GSLs in a year so they can definitely do it schedule wise.
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
This is true as we've seen plenty of Koreans become part of the European scene, living in Europe and practicing on the EU ladder, which is a perfectly fine situation with me. It does nothing but good. But the same thing has not happened at all in North America except for Polt and Violet.
I think this is the chicken and the egg of the NA scene imploding.
EU has lots of lans and weekend tournaments for Koreans living there to go to. So it makes a lot of sense for them to head over there long-term for better ping and more opportunities.
NA doesn't really have anything outside WCS AM and Redbull Battlegrounds, which has most of their qualifiers online anyways (I think).
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
So in other words the server is still trash to practice on? welp
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
So in other words the server is still trash to practice on? welp
Most decent players (i.e. challenger league quality) can and do make it to the top of NA ladder if they try. The people who populate the top 50 are mostly people on the level of Drunkenboi, Koma, sWs, etc. I dont know where the top level NA pros practice but a lot of the time it seems to be EU or KR.
Does anyone else feel like the reason the recent GSL champions have felt less "champion-like" is Protoss?
No, seriously. The last 3 GSLs (4 if you count GSL GT), plus the WCS S3 '13 finals and Blizzcon were all during the Protoss-dominated era, so naturally there were a lot of Protoss and a lot of PvP. Now yes, PvP has come a long way from the days of "4 gate every game", but it's still very knife-edge, one mistake at any number of points can cost you the game in an instant. So the reason the title of GSL champion feels like it carries less weight as of late is linked to the reason no one else's been able to repeat the Mvp legend: PvP is too knife-edge to truly determine the better player (mostly)every time, so the results are inconsistent, which also makes the GSL title feel like it doesn't always truly go the the best player in the world... Just the luckiest and least nervous Protoss in Korea.
On August 23 2014 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody who's vocal about wanting a region locked WCS would actually watch an NA only tournament.
You'd be wrong. I loved 2012 WCS.
Yeah, I don't get why people keep saying this. Especially since in the current wcs system NA would probably also include SEA, CN, etc. Which is easily a large enough pool of players to make sure there are interesting and high-level games.
My dream wcs 2015 would be residential region lock (so you either have to be currently living in the region or maybe just be a citizen of the region) and expand GSL to 64 or even 96 or 128 players or something, with compensation to match. With 3 or 4 wcs seasons a year there is surely enough time to get through that many players. Of course, money would be an issue. But hey, it's my dream so it can be unrealistic.
A fourth region in China/Taiwan would be good too.
I think at this point I'd rather see the TeSL league give WCS points (which it does) and that new Chinese league GPL give points but keep them in WCS AM. Make it so that you have to live (or be a citizen) in your region to compete in it, and count the CN and Taiwan scene living in the WCS AM region.
Then add an extra GSL season to the year so there are 3 WCS AMs and EUs and 4 GSLs and give the GSLs the same points as the WCS regions. This would compensate players who can't get out of Korea often by still giving them plenty of opportunities for WCS points. Now that there aren't any season finals there's no reason to have equal numbers of seasons and the GSL has fit far more than 3 GSLs in a year so they can definitely do it schedule wise.
I think adding more WCS regions and an extra season overall would be better. So there would be 5 WCS regions: NA , EU, KR (GSL), CN(GPL) and SEA(TeSL). Make them region-locked so you have to be living in, but not necessarily a citizen of, the region you play in, and you also have to play a certain number of games/wins on that region's ladder. That way the NA and SEA ladders aren't cannibalized with all the good players training only on KR, so you get a better distribution of skill and keep the local ladders healthy which, as we've seen in EU with the GEM house, benefits the general skill caliber greatly.
On top of that you make all WCS partner tournaments 100% qualifier-based, so the big tournaments don't essentially decide who goes to Blizzcon on their own. That on top of the fourth season and the extra regions should make winning one season of premier less of a guaranteed trip to Blizzcon even if you drop out of the Ro32 next season and challenger the season after. *coughcoughduckdeokdearpigbabymvpclassiccoughcough*
Finally, Challenger league. As the WCS format stands right now, the difference between qualifiers, challenger, and premier is only in name. If you take a step back, a WCS season is actually a 1024-or -so player massive bracket with two group stages in the middle. GSL has three group stages instead of 2. Challenger league needs to be more like the old Code A, or even like the 2013 system, where people can stay in challenger and not have to battle their way through the massive qualifier bracket because they lost 1 bo5. Its state now makes WCS a failure at one of its main goals, bringing sustainability to the scene. There is no sustainability in paying the top 48 players out of everyone in the entire region - with the bottom 16 getting $600 a season, or $1800 a year -- and leaving the rest to scrounge for a spot. Someone should be able to stay in Challenger and both become a recognized name and earn more than someone who got into Premier once, fell out instantly and never requalified. No one should be able to go from qualifiers to champion in a single season (imo). And a consistent premier league player who has one bad day and loses in the Ro32 should have more than just 1 bo5 with a potentially top-tier player between him and falling out of WCS entirely.
More specifically, maybe have the structure be something like this:
Premier Ro32: -1st and 2nd advance, seeded into Ro32 next season -3rd and 4th into up and downs
Challenger: -qualifiers for Ro32 (16 spots)-Ro32 group stage --1st and 2nd qualify for up&downs --3rd stays in challenger --4th out -Ro16 bracket --well duh, it's a bracket, you have a winner, he gets moar monies n'stuffs. Yey.
Up&Downs: -Top 16 from C and bottom 16 from P -groups are 1 Ro16 C, 1 Ro8 C, 1 3rd P, 1 4th P -bottom 2 to C Ro32, top 2 to P Ro32
And then since you have the same number of Challenger and Premier groups, run them simultaneously with one broadcast after another. As in, 1 day of broadcasting = 1 premier group + 1 challenger group for the Ro32, and a few matches of the C Ro16 bracket every day of the P Ro16. And then have the up&downs in between seasons, ofc.
On August 23 2014 04:11 RageCommodore wrote: ppl that think wcs am gets ruined by the influx of nonamerican players are delusional
I guess the american players that are still present in the league are miles better than their counterparts from a few years ago. I remember the old times when HuK and co used to complain that practicing on NA was impossible. I guess those times are over.
Great article. I'm really curious if there will ever be somebody outstanding enough to take mvp's place.
The problem with WCS AM (which doesn't apply to WCS EU) is that besides Polt and viOLet, none of the Koreans practice on the american server.
So in other words the server is still trash to practice on? welp
Most decent players (i.e. challenger league quality) can and do make it to the top of NA ladder if they try. The people who populate the top 50 are mostly people on the level of Drunkenboi, Koma, sWs, etc. I dont know where the top level NA pros practice but a lot of the time it seems to be EU or KR.
I'm still amazed how far those guys have come
I took a giant ass break from Starcraft after the end of WoL and now it's like stepping out of the time machine because I only remember a lot of the current top class players as being pretty trash in their early days :D suddenly everybody is good
I think this is really well written, especially the Korea bit.
Articles like this keep reminding me why this is my most visited site and the first bookmark on my list for 4 years now.
Thank you stuchiu, thank you TL!
On a side note I feel like the bad guy thinking back that I was up for Squirtle, Bomber & MKP vs MVP in finals and up for MC vs Duckdeok.
Im glad for stork, sorry for Yugioh and miss the days of when I gave a shit about most of the most successful Koreans like MVP, Nestea and MKP. Innovation and crew almost killed my love for watching SC2, but its back with a vengeance!
You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
Game 1: Flash > Mvp Flash reads Mvp like a book, using star-sense, and maphack mode to catch every little thing Mvp is doing, completely countering Mvp's strategy through smart scouting, and using a strong timing attack where Mvp is rendered useless.
*Mvp proceeds to take off his jacket* Flash 1 Mvp: 0
Game 2: Mvp > Flash Game 2: Mvp bringing forth a never before seen TvT strategy in HoTS catching completely off guard, catching Flash, all the players and especially by audience by surprise and barely scraping through Flash's last defense lines and decisively taking game 2
*Flash proceeds to drink Pocari Sweat* Flash: 1 Mvp: 1
Game 3: Flash > Mvp Game 3: Mvp challenges Flash to a Marine/Tank macro battle. Game goes to 4-5 bases for each player, but Flash slowly outpositions, out-macros and backs off Mvp into a corner. Mvp has no wriggle room and forced to gg
*Mvp proceeds to take off his cap* Flash: 2 Mvp: 1
Game 4: Mvp > Flash Game 4: Mvp goes on to do an ancient WoL strategy that is still viable in HoTS due to the meta never thought of by a player. Flash is caught with his pants down as he predicted a macro game based on his scouting and being overly greedy. He is wiped out quickly
*Flash takes out his ruler to recheck his dimensions* Flash: 2 Mvp: 2
Game 5: Flash > Mvp Game 5: Flash challenges Mvp to a mech vs mech macro game. Mvp is outplayed severely in dropship player/positional player and micro/macro after multiple exchanges. Audience wonders if Mvp can even scratch Flash in a macro game.
Game 6: Mvp > Flash Game 6: Mvp proceeds to challenge Flash to mech vs mech, but brings out his trump card: battlecruisers. Mvp outplays Flash with terran air and after another slug fest, takes a decisive, Game 6.
Game 7: Flash 2 rax all-in's, Mvp barely defends. Flash sends hoards and hoards of army on Mvp's turtle position where he barely holds on each time in Marine/Tank composition. Mvp proceeds to counter and switches to bio composition, where Flash then switches over to mech, and now he holds on with his patented, turtle terran. Mvp attempts to transition into Mvp, but Flash suffocates him with his mech army and proceeds to parade push him and Mvp leaves the studio.
Flash, the macro player, who just outplays his opponents in all aspects of the game. God of Starcraft And Mvp, the innovator. The King of Wings.
The story: In the innocent land of Bw, heroes came and gone. then it was ruled by evil and the world of starcraft was corrupted. Suddenly, a divine came. He brought salvation. He laid the groundwork of how beautiful the land could be. he ruled the lands and then just as he suddenly appeared, he disappeared, but was replaced by a lovable King, revered by many. Years past and the king suffered health problems, and slowly grew of age, and as prophecy told God was to appear in two years. The prophecy was fulfilled, the king bowed down and dethroned and God took his rightful place. *shrugs*
On August 27 2014 10:27 LighT. wrote: You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
As another huge fan of both players, I imagined it being something like: Flash takes the first 3 games in glorious, standard macro TvT with perfect positioning. Mvp takes the next three with genius strategies, tactics, outsmarting Flash just enough to edge him out in non-standard macro games.
Game 7 is a 45 minute macro game on one of the hugest maps in the pool, featuring nukes and battlecruisers, and then the players base trade, leaving most of the map in rubble as they attempt to take a few bases at the corners that haven't been mined out. Eventually Flash takes a decisive edge, but Mvp launches a nuke at the edge of a cliff, and Flash's army walks under it and, since he doesn't see the nuke, the nuke lands on the entire army and Mvp wins 4-3.
On August 27 2014 10:27 LighT. wrote: You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
As another huge fan of both players, I imagined it being something like: Flash takes the first 3 games in glorious, standard macro TvT with perfect positioning. Mvp takes the next three with genius strategies, tactics, outsmarting Flash just enough to edge him out in non-standard macro games.
Game 7 is a 45 minute macro game on one of the hugest maps in the pool, featuring nukes and battlecruisers, and then the players base trade, leaving most of the map in rubble as they attempt to take a few bases at the corners that haven't been mined out. Eventually Flash takes a decisive edge, but Mvp launches a nuke at the edge of a cliff, and Flash's army walks under it and, since he doesn't see the nuke, the nuke lands on the entire army and Mvp wins 4-3.
Flash walking under a nuke? What alternate reality is this?
it'll probably be both players 2raxing on a 4 player map, diagonal spawn. they scout each other and realize they are both 2raxing. mvp doesnt build the orbital command and lets a few scvs ride the cc into another base, while all of flash's scvs die. they fight in the middle of the map with only marines, and flash wins the battle with 1 2hp marine left. flash floats his orbital and 2raxes to the opposite horizontal base and mvp does the same. mvp unloads the scvs and builds his orbital, flash starts building scvs. flash goes cc first, mvp 2raxes again. mvp wins.
On August 27 2014 12:07 lichter wrote: it'll probably be both players 2raxing on a 4 player map, diagonal spawn. they scout each other and realize they are both 2raxing. mvp doesnt build the orbital command and lets a few scvs ride the cc into another base, while all of flash's scvs die. they fight in the middle of the map with only marines, and flash wins the battle with 1 2hp marine left. flash floats his orbital and 2raxes to the opposite horizontal base and mvp does the same. mvp unloads the scvs and builds his orbital, flash starts building scvs. flash goes cc first, mvp 2raxes again. mvp wins.
What happened to the barracks from the first 2raxes?
I'd still favor Flash over MVP for sure just based upon the past encounter between them, mvp will be a nerve wreak going against Flash knowing their past one sideness.
On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol...
Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created,
Great article though. As usual .
I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games.
How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show."
We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist.
Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it!
It's what we dealt with during all those BW years? TeamLiquid thrived on the fact that there could be two communities. We had a good combo of both lmao. How else you think this community could live on back then!?!?!
Im not sure to undertsand what you say. So sorry if my answer is wrong.
its like you need to pay back something to koreans, cause they are good at this game. They have a lot of exposure in every major tounrament. I dont see why foreigner could not have 1, not 15, just 1 MAJOR tournament (meaning with a good cashprize, and exposure) for them to show us what they can do. I will thx koreans everytime to make Esport getting so big by their skills, but they are not alone on this planet to enjoy this game or make it enjoyable to watch. (Nationwars, plz!)
I'm talking about the very existence of this website, which was Brood War. You had the pro gamers in Korea and you had the foreigner community as well. We co-existed and this whole topic of major tournaments is silly with everything that goes on nowadays. It's in a much better place than what it was in the BW days. Nothing wrong with nation wars (another thing we had way back when). In fact, how do you think those guys came up with it in the first place? We've been asking for it to come back for some time.
On August 27 2014 12:07 lichter wrote: it'll probably be both players 2raxing on a 4 player map, diagonal spawn. they scout each other and realize they are both 2raxing. mvp doesnt build the orbital command and lets a few scvs ride the cc into another base, while all of flash's scvs die. they fight in the middle of the map with only marines, and flash wins the battle with 1 2hp marine left. flash floats his orbital and 2raxes to the opposite horizontal base and mvp does the same. mvp unloads the scvs and builds his orbital, flash starts building scvs. flash goes cc first, mvp 2raxes again. mvp wins.
What happened to the barracks from the first 2raxes?
flash doesn't build marines with his raxes, only scvs because he loses all of them and then goes cc first with no marines. mvp jukes with his raxes and floats to flash's third.
On August 27 2014 21:24 Xiphos wrote: I'd still favor Flash over MVP for sure just based upon the past encounter between them, mvp will be a nerve wreak going against Flash knowing their past one sideness.
Wow, I have goosebumps reading the Korea part. Thanks for that stuchiu! Mvp owning everyone was amazing to watch - overall the prime of (LG)IM was unbelievable. Especially Mvp's Mech was beautiful to see. On one hand I really miss the old days, but on the other it's amazing to see that the GSL is getting harder every year - Ro16 this year is sooooo stacked!
Regarding Mvp vs Flash: I love Mvp, but at the moment he would most likely get owned pretty hard by Flash. Flash is on fire and Mvp is sadly way past his prime.
You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
Game 1: Flash > Mvp Flash reads Mvp like a book, using star-sense, and maphack mode to catch every little thing Mvp is doing, completely countering Mvp's strategy through smart scouting, and using a strong timing attack where Mvp is rendered useless.
*Mvp proceeds to take off his jacket* Flash 1 Mvp: 0
Game 2: Mvp > Flash Game 2: Mvp bringing forth a never before seen TvT strategy in HoTS catching completely off guard, catching Flash, all the players and especially by audience by surprise and barely scraping through Flash's last defense lines and decisively taking game 2
*Flash proceeds to drink Pocari Sweat* Flash: 1 Mvp: 1
Game 3: Flash > Mvp Game 3: Mvp challenges Flash to a Marine/Tank macro battle. Game goes to 4-5 bases for each player, but Flash slowly outpositions, out-macros and backs off Mvp into a corner. Mvp has no wriggle room and forced to gg
*Mvp proceeds to take off his cap* Flash: 2 Mvp: 1
Game 4: Mvp > Flash Game 4: Mvp goes on to do an ancient WoL strategy that is still viable in HoTS due to the meta never thought of by a player. Flash is caught with his pants down as he predicted a macro game based on his scouting and being overly greedy. He is wiped out quickly
*Flash takes out his ruler to recheck his dimensions* Flash: 2 Mvp: 2
Game 5: Flash > Mvp Game 5: Flash challenges Mvp to a mech vs mech macro game. Mvp is outplayed severely in dropship player/positional player and micro/macro after multiple exchanges. Audience wonders if Mvp can even scratch Flash in a macro game.
Game 6: Mvp > Flash Game 6: Mvp proceeds to challenge Flash to mech vs mech, but brings out his trump card: battlecruisers. Mvp outplays Flash with terran air and after another slug fest, takes a decisive, Game 6.
Game 7: Flash 2 rax all-in's, Mvp barely defends. Flash sends hoards and hoards of army on Mvp's turtle position where he barely holds on each time in Marine/Tank composition. Mvp proceeds to counter and switches to bio composition, where Flash then switches over to mech, and now he holds on with his patented, turtle terran. Mvp attempts to transition into Mvp, but Flash suffocates him with his mech army and proceeds to parade push him and Mvp leaves the studio.
Flash, the macro player, who just outplays his opponents in all aspects of the game. God of Starcraft And Mvp, the innovator. The King of Wings.
The story: In the innocent land of Bw, heroes came and gone. then it was ruled by evil and the world of starcraft was corrupted. Suddenly, a divine came. He brought salvation. He laid the groundwork of how beautiful the land could be. he ruled the lands and then just as he suddenly appeared, he disappeared, but was replaced by a lovable King, revered by many. Years past and the king suffered health problems, and slowly grew of age, and as prophecy told God was to appear in two years. The prophecy was fulfilled, the king bowed down and dethroned and God took his rightful place. *shrugs*
I have to too much free time on my hands.
I like when you don't know what to do, I had chills reading your little fiction!
[QUOTE]On August 22 2014 12:54 MiniFotToss wrote: [QUOTE]On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?[/QUOTE] and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins?
On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?
and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins?
On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?
and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins?
On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?
and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins?