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2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 4

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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:35:03
August 19 2014 02:32 GMT
#61
If the foreign team was in Korea, live, then I don't think it would lower the competition level at all. If we all remember EGTL actually performed well in 4 out of the 6 rounds of the 2012-2013 pro-league. But if they had to play online it would definitely make it less enjoyable. I would suggest that during the off season you try things like all star matches with the best Kespa players playing against a team of the best foreigners and see how that works. Similar to the Korea vs the world that GSL had which turned out to be amazing
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 19 2014 02:34 GMT
#62
On August 19 2014 11:29 Lunareste wrote:
Think about what happened the last time we had a "foreign" team in Proleague

I mean I'm sure it would increase viewership by a large amount, but does it cheapen the prestige of the League when one of those teams does not have the skill to compete? It's basically Prime 2.0


And we basically had 3 " foreign " teams in the season that just ended, and it was the best season yet. The skill gap between the top and bottom teams in PL is much larger now than it was in the 12/13 season.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:36:05
August 19 2014 02:34 GMT
#63
On August 19 2014 11:32 LongShot27 wrote:
If the foreign team was in Korea, live, then I don't think it would lower the competition level at all. If we all remember EGTL actually performed well in 4 out of the 6 rounds of the 2012-2013 pro-league. But if they had to play online it would definitely make it less enjoyable. I would suggest that during the off season you try an things like all star matches with the best Kespa players playing against a team of the best foreigners and see how that works. Similar to the Korea vs the world that GSL had which turned out to be amazing


EGTL (foreigner team) used alot of koreans

so just make another foreigner team of Taeja, Polt, San, Hyun, Leenock, Stardust, MMA, Innovation, MC, JD...ummm Pigbaby too

this foreigner team would be able to compete in PL and not lower the competition level (much if at all)
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 19 2014 02:36 GMT
#64
On August 19 2014 11:34 mikumegurine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 11:32 LongShot27 wrote:
If the foreign team was in Korea, live, then I don't think it would lower the competition level at all. If we all remember EGTL actually performed well in 4 out of the 6 rounds of the 2012-2013 pro-league. But if they had to play online it would definitely make it less enjoyable. I would suggest that during the off season you try an things like all star matches with the best Kespa players playing against a team of the best foreigners and see how that works. Similar to the Korea vs the world that GSL had which turned out to be amazing


EGTL used alot of koreans

so just make another foreigner team of Taeja, Polt, San, Hyun, Leenock, Stardust, MMA, Innovation, MC, JD...ummm Pigbaby too

this foreigner team would be able to compete in PL and not lower the competition level


There are plenty of foreigners who could beat Kespa players in a Bo1. Do I think they would win the season or even make the playoffs? Highly unlikely. But if they never start, we will never know at all
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
August 19 2014 02:39 GMT
#65
While initially this may seem like a good idea, it would ultimately be bad for the scene as a whole.
If non-Kespa players like teaja, hyun, and polt were to play in Proleague, it would either mean they would not go to foreign events because of their commitment to the league
OR
if they do attend a lot of foreign events, they won't be doing as well as they could in Proleague. Then what's the point of having them compete if they're going to be outclassed by Kespa Koreans who prioritize Proleague above all else?

tl;dr: you can't have your cake and eat it too
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 19 2014 02:40 GMT
#66
shiiiit time to unleash another monster
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:42:00
August 19 2014 02:40 GMT
#67
The concept of opening up PL is sort of flawed in that it's just not worth doing as a foreign team (or even as a Korean on a foreigner team -- there is little money in it for them). Team Acer and maybe Liquid seem like the only ones which would even stand a chance in that competition, and it'd pretty much require them to focus on it full-time, which isn't very practical, given that only a small amount of money is from the Korean population.

Would the level of competition increase? I think you'd have to be incredibly optimistic to think that adding foreign teams would improve the competition. EG-TL got pretty wrecked back when they participated, and they had a decent lineup of Koreans (+Coach Park). Humorously, I think many of the players who played for EG-TL have improved tremendously, and could actually be considered somewhat of a threat. Still, no foreign team (Acer/TL) will ever be able to match the lineups of KT Rolster and SK Telecom.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
August 19 2014 02:40 GMT
#68
One of the biggest problems is that, with the overwhelming presence of foreign tounaments, a non-Korean team will struggle a lot to keep their players in Korea for 8 months, look at EGTL, part of their failure in Proleague is due to not having a stable roster since every other week their top player have to travel abroad to compete in MLG/DH/w/e.
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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
August 19 2014 02:41 GMT
#69
On August 19 2014 11:32 LongShot27 wrote:
If the foreign team was in Korea, live, then I don't think it would lower the competition level at all. If we all remember EGTL actually performed well in 4 out of the 6 rounds of the 2012-2013 pro-league. But if they had to play online it would definitely make it less enjoyable. I would suggest that during the off season you try an things like all star matches with the best Kespa players playing against a team of the best foreigners and see how that works. Similar to the Korea vs the world that GSL had which turned out to be amazing

While the Korea versus the World team thing was amazing, the actual tournament itself only had one non-Korean beating a Korean player(Dimaga vs Nestea) and even then the tournament was three years ago. The level of play in GSL/Proleague right now is too high for a foreign/collective foreign team to not place last.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:46:04
August 19 2014 02:43 GMT
#70
On August 19 2014 11:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On August 19 2014 11:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
TB your turn


Yes yes, how many times must this question be brought up?

It might end up happening just because I have a distinct feeling next year is gonna be sparse on the tournament front, so competing in Korea is the strongest option economically. Also with our unique approach to sponsor ROI we might be able to make it work even though its an event designed to benefit the KeSPA sponsors.

We'll see

TB, has there been any talk about KeSPA helping you get any Korean sponsors, at least on a yearly basis for more economically viable PL participation? Probably not super longterm ones that lock your boys in on Korea, but maybe a medium-term sponsorship could be beneficial to both parties.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 19 2014 02:44 GMT
#71
I'd like to see something like Proleague in Europe eventually, there are a lot of at least decent players and teams there, and ESL already has a studio in Cologne that could add team benches and stuff.

But foreigners in proleague? Not unless they're willing to join Kespa teams imo, the idea of a foreigner/foreign Korean dream team didn't work well last time.
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States274 Posts
August 19 2014 02:45 GMT
#72
mYinsanity, Acer, Team Liquid.
Meckie
Profile Joined September 2012
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:49:30
August 19 2014 02:45 GMT
#73
FINALLY! So awesome! Not including foreign teams would be straight up stupid. It'll increase the viewership dramatically.

The problem is getting enough players from foreign teams to actually commit to playing PL. I'm quite sure it'll have to be a fusion of various foreign teams as many have suggested. While it would be fantastic, I seriously doubt the by far strongest foreigners - Bunny, Snute and Scarlett - would be interested in staying in Korea and have PL as first priority. So it'll have to be Koreans from foreign teams and the obvious choice would definitely be a fusion of Axiom/Acer. They can definitely contest the weaker KeSPA-teams.

I really, really have a hard time understanding people who are against having foreign teams in PL. It WILL help StarCraft.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 19 2014 02:46 GMT
#74
Having foreign teams make their way into PL wouldn't be the best imo.
There's not a lot of players on the teams that could be good enough.

A Foreign Allstar team would be cool tho.
Adding in available players to the roster for a Round or two and changing out players for new available players wanting to go.
So instead of having a set roster the team could exchange players heavily for Rounds and maybe have a house for the players participating to live together in.
The curse is real
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
August 19 2014 02:48 GMT
#75
Holy fuck balls that would be amazing! I hope someone smarter than me can figure out how the involvment of foreign teams can benifit both the teams themselves and KESPA, seeing as they seem like they are targeting mutually exclusive markets, but I hope this becomes a reality. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to see the awesome narrative of foreigner v korea (which would be exciting for both parties).
why?
Spleydi
Profile Joined February 2014
Switzerland20 Posts
August 19 2014 02:50 GMT
#76
Would like to see TL and Acer in PL.
But i dont think thatt forgneir Teams could go to Korea just for PL and then go back again and do that over and over again, it´s way to stressfull and so their skill would decrease.
So the other option would be to make PL online....but.....PL as an online event whit forgneir Teams or PL as an offline event whitout forgneir Teams....second choice is clearly the better one.

But Acer could go, most of them are in Korea anyway.(and yoe flash wolves and maybe axiom)
Meckie
Profile Joined September 2012
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 02:59:06
August 19 2014 02:54 GMT
#77
On August 19 2014 11:46 Tobblish wrote:
Having foreign teams make their way into PL wouldn't be the best imo.
There's not a lot of players on the teams that could be good enough.

A Foreign Allstar team would be cool tho.
Adding in available players to the roster for a Round or two and changing out players for new available players wanting to go.
So instead of having a set roster the team could exchange players heavily for Rounds and maybe have a house for the players participating to live together in.


Acer: Innovation, MMA and Scarlett.
Axiom: Alicia, Heart, Ryung and Impact.
Liquid: Snute, Bunny, HerO and TaeJa
yoe Flash Wolves: San and Leenock
iG: Jim.

The vast majority of the above-mentioned are definitely capable of taking out the "weaker" KeSPA-players. That's not an assumption - that's a fact.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 19 2014 02:57 GMT
#78
While I'm excited about the thought, I think no foreign teams would dedicate themselves to such a position (and not be able to attend many foreign tournaments). And to answer your question I think it would lower the overall skill of the tournament, and I don't think it would be a good idea.
Refer to my post.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
August 19 2014 02:59 GMT
#79
We need Jaedong back in proleague.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
August 19 2014 03:00 GMT
#80
On August 19 2014 11:59 sM.Zik wrote:
We need Jaedong back in proleague.

you know I wouldn't be surprised if that was the sole reason for doing this
If you don't like it, you can quit.
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