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2014-2015 Proleague Plans Opening SPL to the world - Page 6

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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 19 2014 03:24 GMT
#101
Wait I have a thought: Alex Garfield desperately wants to get EG in pro league again, but doesn't have enough players. He goes through the Korean free agents, but it seems no one is available. Finally he remembers one last player he can try.

He begs.

aLive looks down and smiles. And walks away. Then revival and Oz run Alex over with a range rover end of story
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
August 19 2014 03:27 GMT
#102
Liquid, EG, Acer gogo
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 19 2014 03:28 GMT
#103
On August 19 2014 12:24 Darkhorse wrote:
Wait I have a thought: Alex Garfield desperately wants to get EG in pro league again, but doesn't have enough players. He goes through the Korean free agents, but it seems no one is available. Finally he remembers one last player he can try.

He begs.

aLive looks down and smiles. And walks away. Then revival and Oz run Alex over with a range rover end of story


wow I totally forgot Alive was on EG, I remembered Oz and Revival though.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 19 2014 03:28 GMT
#104
On August 19 2014 12:28 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 12:24 Darkhorse wrote:
Wait I have a thought: Alex Garfield desperately wants to get EG in pro league again, but doesn't have enough players. He goes through the Korean free agents, but it seems no one is available. Finally he remembers one last player he can try.

He begs.

aLive looks down and smiles. And walks away. Then revival and Oz run Alex over with a range rover end of story


wow I totally forgot Alive was on EG, I remembered Oz and Revival though.

You have an ugly soul
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 19 2014 03:29 GMT
#105
Actually I just forgot Alive, period.
Tehhaxorz
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia1 Post
August 19 2014 03:31 GMT
#106
Well at least this way Prime would just be the worst kespa team in Proleague.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 19 2014 03:35 GMT
#107
On August 19 2014 12:20 stuchiu wrote:
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On August 19 2014 12:04 sOsFan wrote:
I think that proleague should remain strictly to korean teams. With the level of play koreans bring to the table, allowing outsiders in would only decrease the level of skill. Although there are some outstanding players who do not live in korean or aren't korean, overall the level of competition would decrease. One other perk of leaving SPL as is would be the collectiveness of all the korean players. I love watching KT, SKT, Jin Air, CJ, Samsung, etc. play against eachother, but this is truly the only place to watch these teams play in one night. What I'm trying to say is that I can watch EG or TL or ROOT players in almost any other tournament, but in all of those tournaments there might be only 2-4 SPL players. Having them all collectively placed into SPL makes it so I can see them play the most. Yes, the korean players would remain in SPL, its not like they would be kicked out, but some NA/EU team would take a KR team's spot in SPL, and when I can see that team generally anywhere else, its obvious that the KR team (being more exclusive) should be competing in SPL.


This is the same PL that had MVP and Prime and T8 and Air Force Ace. How can you say that with a straight face?

Because non-Korean teams are most definitely semi-dedicated to playing in SPL with their concentration on travel and whatnot. Thats the only issue I have with foreign teams (and partnership also)
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
August 19 2014 03:35 GMT
#108
The more teams the better! get everyone!
https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
August 19 2014 03:41 GMT
#109
AIRFORCE ACE!!!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
August 19 2014 03:47 GMT
#110
Acer? Axiom?
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 19 2014 03:48 GMT
#111
No way EG or TeamLiquid commits to Proleague again after than complete disaster last time. Foreign teams don't fit in Proleague, yes on a day to day basis they probably have enough raw skill to contend, but they can't compete with the raw dedication, focus, and training KeSPA teams put into Proleague. We've already seen it once. Not to mention these teams making a full commitment would require foreign teams to pay for a Korean house, play in virtually zero foreign tournaments(outside WCS of course), and invest a lot more money into participating in general.

Why would a sponsor from Europe or America be interested in paying for an entire team to travel to another land where they have much less marketing and growth potential, and having those same players not competing in tournaments where they can show their brands to consumers who have easier access to their products.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
SC2Towelie
Profile Joined July 2014
United States561 Posts
August 19 2014 03:48 GMT
#112
I like this idea not because I want to see foreigners in Proleague (there's very few that could really compete at that level imo), but because there are a lot of really good Korean players on foreign teams that I want to see in Proleague (I'm looking at you, Jaedong).
Don't forget to bring a towel! (Towelie.635)
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
August 19 2014 03:49 GMT
#113
The last teamleague I watched every game of was the final two seasons of GSTL. That was because I was so excited for the cinderella story of Axiom Acer. If either of those two teams joined proleague and could commit to it you bet I would watch every game, and I think that if they re-formed their partnership I think they'd stand a good chance of reaching the playoffs.

If it was open to any team with the resources to apply then I think the format would have to change. Maybe eliminating the bottom two teams each month or something like that. I don't think the quality of competition would decrease. It didn't when EGTL played. Sure EGTL got beat up pretty bad, but they put up a fight enough times, and regardless of how EGTL did every team was playing their best no matter what it seemed regardless of who they were playing.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 19 2014 03:52 GMT
#114
It's an interesting opportunity, but I don't really see any teams wanting to commit their players to Proleague. It limits the visibility of those players and also gives them far less of a chance to win other tournaments. It's been said enough, but the only teams that could really even do it would be Axiom, Acer, Liquid or some partnership of those teams, plus maybe a mercenary or two from some other teams. It's really hard for any non-koreans to commit to korea full time. And just look at what happened to State. He's there now on a Proleague team and you never hear from him or see him. It would be awesome to see Axiom/Acer try and make a mark but it just doesn't make sense for anyone from a financial or marketing standpoint. Sorry Kespa, it ain't happening.
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dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
August 19 2014 03:53 GMT
#115
I'm not really a big fan of the idea. No offense to any foreign fans, but I think most if not all foreign teams will get COMPLETELY STOMPED by KeSPA teams. We want to see close contests, not one-sided slaughters.

Even the "foreign" Koreans might not be able to stop the might of these faceless KeSPA giants. The recent KeSPA cup should give us a pretty good idea: foreign fan favs like TaeJa, Jaedong, Polt, HerO and HyuN fell early and fell hard. TaeJa's 0-2 loss to Action, Jaedong's 0-2 loss to DeParture, Polt's 0-2 loss to Trust are particularly alarming, as these are often considered some of the best foreign Koreans and aces of their respective teams, and all 3 lost 0-2 to bench players on KeSPA teams. Whether that was due to lag or form issues, we don't know, but surely this isn't a good sign.

Even if an international all-star team is formed, there is this huge issue with organization and coaching. Proleague is heavily about preparation. Just by having a bunch of really good players isn't enough (@SKT1 from 2013 season). With the foreign players coming and going, leaving and going back to Korea for WCS and what not, I really can't see an all star team do well.

What I think might be viable, is work with StarTale, which is sort of one of a kind now: not belonging to KeSPA but a Korean team from head to toe. It has some pretty good players left, like Curious and Life. I know they're short on funds, but if KeSPA can help with securing some good loans and alliances (Acer comes to mind, INnoVation is playing in GSL anyway), this could be the beginning of something great.
Dear, Rain, PartinG, Trap - "Glory to the Firstborn"
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
August 19 2014 04:00 GMT
#116
AxiomAcer combo would do very well in Proleague. They did win the final GSTL.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
August 19 2014 04:00 GMT
#117
Hey Chud,

Team Liquid, EG, Acer, Millenium, Axiom, ROOT and yoe Flash Wolves.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
Jowj
Profile Joined June 2012
United States248 Posts
August 19 2014 04:02 GMT
#118
I think that depending on the teams accepted it could definitely lower the competitive nature of the league. You would have to be very careful with who you allowed in as well as make sure that the league is a priority for them. EG-TL was an obvious example of a team where the league wasn't a priority until Too Late and it showed for sure in their games.

That said, i'd be most excited about:

Axiom
Acer
Any team with Jaedong on it
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
August 19 2014 04:03 GMT
#119
Would be totally amazing if Chinese players could play in proleague but I don't know if they would be up for that since it's basically giving up playing in Chinese offline events.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 04:04:29
August 19 2014 04:03 GMT
#120
All-star team.
Jaedong has to be included. Viewership will instantly increase.

Other good choices: Taeja, Snute, HerO

Play Starbow!!!
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