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On July 09 2014 09:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 09:08 TheDwf wrote:The negative point: Protoss will be further pushed away from Templar openings, a style allowing better distinction and producing better games than the dreadful blink colo dual forge boredom. I really don't think this can be stressed enough. Blink stalker/colossus is literally the most skilless and unexciting way to play PvT. Do people really want this??? Really???????
Hey, there are charglots in there that just yolo right at the target....
Yeah, its boring as fuck. If only there was a way we could have both....
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This means Thors will target overlords if you're purposely trying to use them against an army with no mutas.
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On July 09 2014 09:56 Terence Chill wrote:
couldnt we just organize a strike, where the community does not play the game a whole day? just to show blizz our trust in them?
A whole day?!
Blizzard doesn't profit from battle.net games. The only way we have to make change happen against blizzards wishes is to get the pros, casters, and community leaders talking about the totality of their dissatisfaction on a regular basis. "Imbaimbaimbaimba" style. The problem is that's not going to happen, not in the West, certainly not in Korea, and absolutely not while ladder heroes stand to benefit from the current state of affairs.
If the most we get after two seasons with 3-4 terrans in Code S is Tasteless making jokes while Artosis, who played Terran in BW, shuts him down every time, nothing is happening. The ZParCraft is as close as we get, and half of that thread is calling it biased whining trash.
Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless.
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Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless.
Eh last time I watched his streams he made comments like this;
"Any fucking retard can play zerg".
And a lot more venting.... He was whining big time dude 
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On July 09 2014 09:28 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 09:13 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 09 2014 04:48 MorroW wrote:On July 09 2014 04:38 SC2Toastie wrote:
I love the buff to Terran lategame, I really like how Blizzard takes the community response in mind when proposing these changes.
Seriously, TW nerf does nothing except for pvp, thor buff realy isn't needed nor useful, mine buff is stupid because it's just a coinflippy unit to rely on for aoe.
Tanksghostsbansheesbattelcruisers lategame cough cough the thor buff is super useful. its very difficult to target mutalisks with your thors in the initiation of the fight where normally youd spend time splitting or queing the ultralisks with marauders. this will help a lot or at the very least make it easier to control your army in tvz No. In big engagements mutalisk are either not participatibg or magic boxed. Thors are mostly used for zoning and forcing said magic box, something this buffnerf does notging for I think Morrow knows more than you lol.
No offense, but Morrow doesn't have the authority he once had, and I think he is wrong. Maybe use a real argument lol
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On July 09 2014 10:14 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 09:56 Terence Chill wrote:
couldnt we just organize a strike, where the community does not play the game a whole day? just to show blizz our trust in them? A whole day?! Blizzard doesn't profit from battle.net games. The only way we have to make change happen against blizzards wishes is to get the pros, casters, and community leaders talking about the totality of their dissatisfaction on a regular basis. "Imbaimbaimbaimba" style. The problem is that's not going to happen, not in the West, certainly not in Korea, and absolutely not while ladder heroes stand to benefit from the current state of affairs. If the most we get after two seasons with 3-4 terrans in Code S is Tasteless making jokes while Artosis, who played Terran in BW, shuts him down every time, nothing is happening. The ZParCraft is as close as we get, and half of that thread is calling it biased whining trash. Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless.
its not about achieving something its about putting down a marker. dont you think they would realize if the number of games would decrease drasticly for one day?
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On July 09 2014 10:21 Terence Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 10:14 pure.Wasted wrote:On July 09 2014 09:56 Terence Chill wrote:
couldnt we just organize a strike, where the community does not play the game a whole day? just to show blizz our trust in them? A whole day?! Blizzard doesn't profit from battle.net games. The only way we have to make change happen against blizzards wishes is to get the pros, casters, and community leaders talking about the totality of their dissatisfaction on a regular basis. "Imbaimbaimbaimba" style. The problem is that's not going to happen, not in the West, certainly not in Korea, and absolutely not while ladder heroes stand to benefit from the current state of affairs. If the most we get after two seasons with 3-4 terrans in Code S is Tasteless making jokes while Artosis, who played Terran in BW, shuts him down every time, nothing is happening. The ZParCraft is as close as we get, and half of that thread is calling it biased whining trash. Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless. its not about achieving something its about putting down a marker. dont you think they would realize if the number of games would decrease drasticly for one day?
The number of Platinum league games would slightly drop, that's about it.
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that moment when you wish david kim steps on a lego or 2.
Why no buff siege tanks , doble hit instead of 1, and make them hit harder vs shield or something so they can be massacred by inmortals -.-
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On July 09 2014 10:23 Requiem- wrote:
that moment when you wish david kim steps on a lego or 2.
Why no buff siege tanks , doble hit instead of 1, and make them hit harder vs shield or something so they can be massacred by inmortals -.-
Because they already one shot like anything zerg that isn't an ultra or queen  seems to me that the immortal's shields needs to be nerfed more than the siege tank buffed.
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On July 09 2014 10:16 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless.
Eh last time I watched his streams he made comments like this; "Any fucking retard can play zerg". And a lot more venting.... He was whining big time dude
I never said everything that came from him was pearls! But I'd rather take honest whining than dishonest civility in this case. Honest whining has a chance of being productive.
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I don't understand how anyone can look at photon overcharge and decide it doesn't need to be nerfed for the sake of PvT.
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On July 09 2014 10:10 Doodsmack wrote:
This means Thors will target overlords if you're purposely trying to use them against an army with no mutas.
Overlords are non attacking and will have 0 priority. They are not going to be attacked if something else near by is attacking. This will make Thors target mutas vs lings though which will help out those people who are not good at focus firing them or are doing other things.
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On July 09 2014 09:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 09:08 TheDwf wrote:The negative point: Protoss will be further pushed away from Templar openings, a style allowing better distinction and producing better games than the dreadful blink colo dual forge boredom. I really don't think this can be stressed enough. Blink stalker/colossus is literally the most skilless and unexciting way to play PvT. Do people really want this??? Really???????
Or protoss can learn not open greedy, learn to split zealots vs mine fields and flank/split better with HT, just a thought. Instead of yolo a moving them into mine fields. Widow mine forces more micro from both zerg and protoss which is a good thing.
Protoss has tons of openings vs Terrans, you are not forced into 1 build like Terran is vs protoss come on now. So much variety has been shown from Korean Protoss.....from stargate play to tons of different timings ect ect.
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On July 09 2014 10:21 Terence Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 10:14 pure.Wasted wrote:On July 09 2014 09:56 Terence Chill wrote:
couldnt we just organize a strike, where the community does not play the game a whole day? just to show blizz our trust in them? A whole day?! Blizzard doesn't profit from battle.net games. The only way we have to make change happen against blizzards wishes is to get the pros, casters, and community leaders talking about the totality of their dissatisfaction on a regular basis. "Imbaimbaimbaimba" style. The problem is that's not going to happen, not in the West, certainly not in Korea, and absolutely not while ladder heroes stand to benefit from the current state of affairs. If the most we get after two seasons with 3-4 terrans in Code S is Tasteless making jokes while Artosis, who played Terran in BW, shuts him down every time, nothing is happening. The ZParCraft is as close as we get, and half of that thread is calling it biased whining trash. Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless. its not about achieving something its about putting down a marker. dont you think they would realize if the number of games would decrease drasticly for one day?
What would it matter? I mean seriously, I would rather any company stick to their guns and build the game they want than give into a "protest" of their games. What if someone puts together a protest in favor of a really terrible change? Which is not like, out of the question. Its not like we are all shitting diamonds out here.
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On July 09 2014 10:41 Valeranth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 10:10 Doodsmack wrote:
This means Thors will target overlords if you're purposely trying to use them against an army with no mutas. Overlords are non attacking and will have 0 priority. They are not going to be attacked if something else near by is attacking. This will make Thors target mutas vs lings though which will help out those people who are not good at focus firing them or are doing other things.
This problem existed in the past though when Thors preferred their air attack over their ground attack, that's why people are concerned.
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If only they'd start SERIOUSLY looking at tanks and why they're never used vZ and vP D:
Fo realz. I feel that tanks are seriously underused in both of these matchups and the height of entertaining TvZ was middle of WOL when tanks were still used a lot in combination with Bio, and before infestor/broodlord era. This was, for me, the most fun TvZ to play and to watch. Also increasing the viability of tanks could increase diversity of gameplay; while I wouldn't want, for example, to see pure mech entirely replace pure bio (or 4M) as a standard, if bio mech, mech and bio all became more viable options in both non-mirror Terran matchups this would be great. I don't think anyone would disagree. And the tank is a core unit for creating these diverse compositions. But I seem to remember reading somewhere that David Kim did not like tanks. If that is true, it's a shame that some odd personal bias is dictating gameplay decisions, especially when it involves a terran unit with a long and dignified history back to days of ye old brood war - the siege tank.
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On July 09 2014 10:50 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 10:41 Valeranth wrote:On July 09 2014 10:10 Doodsmack wrote:
This means Thors will target overlords if you're purposely trying to use them against an army with no mutas. Overlords are non attacking and will have 0 priority. They are not going to be attacked if something else near by is attacking. This will make Thors target mutas vs lings though which will help out those people who are not good at focus firing them or are doing other things. This problem existed in the past though when Thors preferred their air attack over their ground attack, that's why people are concerned.
I read back in the threads. I was never aware of the issue in WOL. I do think they changed the targeting system in HOTS though so maybe it wont be as bad?
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On July 09 2014 10:50 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 10:41 Valeranth wrote:On July 09 2014 10:10 Doodsmack wrote:
This means Thors will target overlords if you're purposely trying to use them against an army with no mutas. Overlords are non attacking and will have 0 priority. They are not going to be attacked if something else near by is attacking. This will make Thors target mutas vs lings though which will help out those people who are not good at focus firing them or are doing other things. This problem existed in the past though when Thors preferred their air attack over their ground attack, that's why people are concerned.
This is a very real problem because until something is attacking the Thor, it isn't going to prioritize. If someone uses a cloud of overlords like many players did to widow mines in early HOTS, it will make the Thor miss the first shot or two and then the army can get right on-top of them.
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On July 09 2014 10:16 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +Look at Nathanias, cool guy, before WCS NA picked him up he was known to speak his mind about balance on stream, and I haven't heard a owed about it since he was hired. It makes sense, its professional, he's right to do it, but the situation is hopeless.
Eh last time I watched his streams he made comments like this; "Any fucking retard can play zerg". And a lot more venting.... He was whining big time dude
Well he's probably a lot happier since he got all those casting gigs, caster money is imba as fuck
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Damn, new Widow Mine buff would be like getting the Reaver back from BW. Random shots that blow up entire mineral lines or armies. Despite its drawbacks (randomness, lack of micro potential, complete game-changing shots) it can't be said it's not exciting. Everyone always talks about them Reaver drops from BW, after all
Guess SC2 Terran really is the new SC:BW Protoss.
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