RuFF Removed from IvD Gaming - Page 18

On June 16 2014 12:18 docvoc wrote:
I remember watching RuFF's stream a while back. The guy has so much talent, just could never figure out why he would rage so hard. I think that Mini went over the line getting into his chat like he did, and there should be some repercussion for that, but RuFF's comments were out of line. I do think that dropping him over this is way way too much though. Having some drama in the scene isn't a bad thing, it keeps the game interesting, though his comments were over the line.

EDIT: What NoNy said.

On June 16 2014 12:35 ninazerg wrote:
things got really ruff for him.

On June 16 2014 12:32 Belisarius wrote:
The situation in eSports is kind of absurd. It's almost as if every professional football player trained with randoms off the street, all day, every day, and every one of those randoms had a video camera attached to their forehead. And any time the pro did anything objectionable, it ended up all over every major news outlet.

Literally every professional athlete - hell, every professional fullstop - has some objectionable view, and says stupid things. All the time. They just don't work in an environment where their actions are public 14+ hours a day.

I think it was a pretty offensive thing to say. Considering that he's on a team which specifically supports gamers with illnesses, being kicked is probably appropriate. However, the mere fact that Ruff's now 20 times more visible for a one-liner than he ever was as a player says something about the pitchfork culture we have.

On June 16 2014 12:35 ninazerg wrote:


I do recall that incident with Michael Vick (from American Football) where he was caught being involved with dog-fighting, and then, as far as publicity goes, things got really ruff for him.

On June 16 2014 12:36 Xor. wrote:
just want to say i was actually watching when this happened. minigun was a barcode and quoted ruff from ruff's previous game "easy games, easy games." then ruff was like oh he's stream sniping. in many ways this was miniguns fault. it was a mean comment on ruffs part but minigun sure did provoke him and then go post it on twitter. pretty low in my opinon.

On June 16 2014 12:38 showstealer1829 wrote:


Agreed, we're just going around in circles now, isn't that what the SC reddit is for?

On June 16 2014 12:40 Belisarius wrote:


Sure, but I mean, that's actually illegal (afaik). Making an objectionable comment is not.

Athletes get in major trouble when they make major public blunders, like breaking the law. They occasionally have issues when they make really offensive (ie. almost exclusively racist) remarks on-field. That's a tiny proportion of the things esports personalities get pulled up for.

Also this:

On June 16 2014 12:45 ninazerg wrote:


This is ruff-ly the response I half-expected, but it's possible that there is a brand of dog treats called "money", shaped like dollar-signs, and his beloved canine companion is named "Sick-boy", and it's adorable when he begs for treats.

We need to seriously consider this before throwing the C-word around.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 16 2014 12:52 dark1882 wrote:


i don't get this in certain areas cunt is a barely offensive word used to supllant fucker(in swearing i mean), presumably because it sounds more "eloquent". But some of you are treating it like it's truely very offensive, am i missing something? ._.

On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly.

On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:

Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss.

Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can.

There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous.

On June 16 2014 12:59 dsousa wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt#Offensiveness

The word "cunt" is generally regarded in English-speaking countries as unsuitable for normal public discourse. It has been described as "the most heavily tabooed word of all English words",[10][11] although this has been disputed.[12]

Its all just cultural. What it mean here, today, is not what it will mean 100 years from now.

Go fuck yourself can mean 10 different things. Language is a living thing, which is okay because getting your feelings hurt isn't, and shouldn't be, a crime.