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United States4883 Posts
As a Protoss player, I naturally get a lot of hate. I cheese a lot, I do a bunch of all-ins, etc. I can understand why that would be frustrating to play against, and I can see how upset people can get when they're trying very hard to play well and just keep getting nailed with early attacks that seem impossible to stop. It's difficult. It's frustrating. I get it.
[UTD] Spiders: kill yourself please
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[UTD] Spiders: you know my advice wasn't out of anger right
[UTD] Spiders: really do it
This is entirely inappropriate though. Look, I know there's this mentality of "Oh, people don't mean shit on the internet, if you're upset by something someone said, just grow some balls and get over it". But you know what, some things just aren't right. You wouldn't go up to someone in real life and say that; If you lost a game of billiards or ping pong, would you tell your opponent to go kill themselves? What makes this okay on the internet??
In high school, my best friend was suicidal and having tons of family/personal issues, so he used WC3 as an escape. Unfortunately, his social life in WC3 turned out to be just as screwed up as his real life, and he dealt with a lot of drama, including the biting statement of someone "Just go kill yourself." It's rather amazing that he was able to make it through that period of life. But at any moment, a dumb comment like that could have enough to push him over the edge.
My point is: the internet is real and the people online are real people. We need to stop spreading these ideas that it's okay to be BM online because it doesn't mean anything. I understand the purpose of "smack talk", but we shouldn't be making it a habit to say incredibly rude and/or hurtful things just because we don't actually have to face those people in person.
Over the past year, especially, I've seen the SC2 community get more virulent and destructive as the more casual gameplay has died out and a larger percentage of the game is made up of tryhards. We've gone from the days of "I think my cool proxy thor strategy might work, this game is fun" to "FUCK PROTOSS ORACLES FUCKING SUCK DTS FUCKING SUCK BLINK FUCKING SUCKS WTF DO I DO I CANT WIN A SINGLE FUCKING GAME AGAINST BULLSHIT TOSS." This is an ugly mindset. It's an infection in the community.
I would like to advocate a more mindful attitude. Above all, we play games for enjoyment and the rush of proving our ability. However, sometimes these things can be overshadowed by the darker sides of our competitive spirit; we all need to work a little on managing our stress and keeping an open mind so we don't have ridiculous outbursts like the one above. If you feel frustrated with playing but you love Starcraft, then try other things: offrace, play some arcade games, do some casting, do some writing, do something for the community, etc. If you love Starcraft, show it off in every way possible. Don't force yourself to play and get frustrated and upset. Enjoy the game. It's a game.
I encourage everyone to keep loving the game and keeping an open mindset for the things you do and say. Your actions DO affect other people, even online. Starcraft is a beautiful thing; the fact that we can get together, millions of us, and cheer for pro players, and create the giant thinktank that is ladder, and have profusions of SC-related art and music is beautiful. This community is beautiful. Keep it beautiful.
  
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
not everyone is a chill bro like me
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On January 10 2014 17:22 lichter wrote:
not everyone is a chill bro like me
There's a whole world of balls/castration jokes and I can't decide on one.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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As usual, the responses are just "blowing off" the sad reality that the OP has made in his post.
How pathetic.
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United States4883 Posts
On January 10 2014 18:12 Folca wrote:
As usual, the responses are just "blowing off" the sad reality that the OP has made in his post.
How pathetic.
Nah, it's fine. I don't expect this to be taken too seriously and ultimately the point I'm trying to make is to not take things too seriously anyway. We should all be a little more accepting and more in fellowship with each other. If all of us were able to blow off a little steam by making a joke or deflecting from the reality in front of us, it would be infinitely better than the pent-up war-mongering rage some people display.
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I had made a rage post about how this concept frustrates the crap out of me, but it was pretty negative and not all that productive, so let's try this again.
My winrates for the three matchups I played against were roughly 55%, 70%, and 30%. This means that every time I started up a ladder game of SC2, there was a 1/3 chance I'd get a matchup that I did not know how to win (And I had a team and a practice buddy of that race, so it wasn't for lack of practice) and a 1/3rd chance I'd get a matchup I'd slaughter in.
It's easy to like a game you've got a 70% chance to win.
It's really, REALLY hard to like a game you've got a 70% chance to lose.
There is no way that those statistics are no frustrating, and even though the game is balanced as a whole, this only means that there's someone out there with my winrates, inverted, and they hate my 70% matchup as much as I hate theirs.
What, in that event, do you suggest you do to be productive and stay positive about Sc2? Ultimately, that one matchup is what killed it for me, and while it never drove me to the point of telling someone to go die, there is no denying that there was some major frustration there (I mean, hell, it still persists...). It's a fine notion to suggest that you try make that beautiful. I'm curious what your suggestions would be on how to do so.
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I'm feeling you. Here's a little excerpt from a recent post of mine from the the letting of steam thread:
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you say gg hf, they say go die in hell.
you win, they call you a fucking no skill noob.
I used to laugh at ppl who needed to insult ppl against they lost. It was actually amusing and even a bit understandable. however, if this happens in the majority of your games it starts to be really annoying. And the insulting isn't limited to their losses, nooooo, if they win it gets even worse.
I want to scream at them:
God damn it, you flew in 2 drops with 7 med vacs and right clicked 2 out of 3 nexi and actually killing both at the expense of your entire army without even touching my army. Guess what, my counter attack with 4 colossus won't be stoped by 1 viking and 2 medvacs...but toss imba, that must be it.
Hell, you just double widow mine droped me and killed half of my workers. You see i have colossus tech up. I walk across the map with 2 colossus and you have 4 CCs and 0 vikings?! Oh well, toss op. I should just go fucking kill myself...
I usually just type GG in the chat. in vain most of time though, since they just ignore you after they wished cancer upon those you love.
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The last part with the cancer wishes seems to be a thing since i encounter it quite regularly. For me, this is one of the most disgusting things to say. I often see myself hovering over the report button but then refrain from clicking it since Blizzard does not seem to really care.
I'd love the ppl at least a bit more thoughtful about what they say. I'd also be fine if Blizzard was more vocal about not tolerating insults and warning/banning accounts.
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I agree, I have seen more and more insults (both on NA and EU) even after a quite friendly opening.
People going, gl hf sir, and a little of small talk (friendly) then lose/win and leave saying "OMG YOU NOOB" (or worse).
It's sad.
Sadly you can't change those people in one night. I try to always be polite and say gl hf every game and gg every time I lose. I say wp to well-executed all-ins / builds. And I even wish good luck in the next games to people I played an intense and close game with. I think in the long run, it will make those BM people a bit calmer.
My advice would be: don't reply aggressively and always be nice, because there is (sadly) nothing else to do about it.
but then some things just go overboard, wishing cancer/Death to someone, I mean, really? Why would you do that?
I do not feel hurt by these, just sad for the person saying it. But I can understand how it can really depress someone. I think Blizzard is not harsh enough against those kinds of comments.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 10 2014 18:12 Folca wrote:
As usual, the responses are just "blowing off" the sad reality that the OP has made in his post.
How pathetic.
"Blowing off"?
The only solution to this is if everyone just relaxed and had a good time instead of taking the game so seriously to the point of anger. Of course we should highlight when negative community elements like this become detrimental to our enjoyment, but it is important to remain calm and maintain a positive attitude so as not to become like the hatemongers we single out. No need to call people pathetic for approaching this lightheartedly. that's the same kind of attitude the OP is talking about 
so yeah i wish everyone was a chill bro like me 8)
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While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
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Meh, I would always put on mute on I played a game, so no biggie.
I know the topic is serious, but I couldn't stop laughing at this.
On January 10 2014 17:18 SC2John wrote:
"FUCK PROTOSS ORACLES FUCKING SUCK DTS FUCKING SUCK BLINK FUCKING SUCKS WTF DO I DO I CANT WIN A SINGLE FUCKING GAME AGAINST BULLSHIT TOSS."
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there are two seperate issues: the issue itself and what certain people do when confronted with frustration deriving from it
it is benign to type things like: "zerg no macro noob.. terran no micro skill .. toss imba stupid" .. etc
and then quit the game
these comments are dumb and instill in people the wrong kind of state of mind and make the community less than it could be,
they however remain within the context of the game vernacular
that is not the case when people are typing racist demeaning or threatning content, those should be reported because in order for people to live peacefully there has to be rules that you should follow
typing glhf and gg is good because whatever you think of yourself or your opponent or indeed the game itself
you are aknowledging that you are thankful that this is (then was for gg) a human social interaction that was spawned in a respectfull environment not a sewer
semantics matter a great deal in our society, that young people resent this or actively declare that "it is no big deal" and that more knowledgeable people let it happen..
is wrong and dangerous
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote:
While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
it is wrong to assume that "faceless" internet exchange in a game has no larger effect on every other social evolution
picture it like cigarets: telling kids they can't smoke while you are smoking defiently in front of them has definite effects, while smoking one cig a month may not be that bad, smoking for 20 years can kill you etc
examples, role models, impressionable people, all factors should count
furthermore one should not let it sly, it is as much part of the problem as the problem itself
wrong and dangerous
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your Country52798 Posts
Hmmmmmm... worst I've had in the last 6 months is an offensive GG o.O
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I legit lost all interest in playing SC2 due to things like this. It's just mindless solo ladder playing against people that rage, insult, berate and cheese/BM you like flying buildings when they know they lost and just qq the whole time you are building air units.
I seriously only play team games now or rather moved onto Dota2 where even though one guy can ruin a game, you can have support. Example: Player A) calls you a no skill jungle scrub, your team mate player B) says u mad?
I donno maybe it's not fixing the problem or right in anyway... but it sure hell beats someone insulting you and saying things about your mother after you beat them and then just sitting there silently to yourself and going onto the next game. Really messes with the nerves for me at least.
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Lichter sign me up for the chill bro club. I wanna be a chill bro too.
But seriously, I've glhf'd and gg'd in all but maybe three or four games in my last 500+ games. I'm extremely proud of my chat logs in sc2 gears where the number of gg's by kommatiazo is almost equal to total games lost, but I wish I didn't have to see it tallied next to the hits on "die" "noob" "no skill" blah blah blah. I feel like my last experience is less bm filled than most people's, but it is still disheartening.
That's why you have to just take a deep breath, tell yourself to be a chill bro and hit find match again.
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I don't know how people can talk about allins, cheese and what not as it's not the point of this blog.
The point of it (or maybe i misunderstood) is that it's ok to rage and be mad because you lost, but you DO NOT say : "Go kill yourself" or something like this to someone.
When i play a game (and that's really rare) and i get something like : "I hope you get cancer or your family die in a car accident" it is NOT OK. I don't care that the guys lost to a freeking cheese. If the guy would say that to my face... Well he better starts to run.
I really would like Blizzard to have a more aggresive stance against those behavior like Microsoft would do at the start of the Xbox live when it was still kind of manageable.
I really would want to know the number of people that are banned for inapropriate behavior, that would make me really happy to see that actions are taken about this.
And John... no, it's not Protoss. It's every race because there is a lot of dumb people on the internet. And it's not Starcraft. It's everywhere. I really would like the companies that manage online communities to have more aggressive stance about this.
And i mean. When i lose in this game i am SO ANGRY sometimes (i really have anger issue with starcraft), but i would destroy my computer with my bare hands before wishing someone to die over a game.
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On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote:
While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
So your answer to people having insecurities is not play online and then... play alone ? That does not makes sense. It's the same in real life. there is fragile people. People than can just take a entire bottle of pills because their boss are making a living hell out of them. You do not bully or insult random people in life. You shouldn't do it in Sc too. If i understand correctly. That was his point.
EDIT : Woops sorry i thought i hit edit
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