As a Protoss player, I naturally get a lot of hate. I cheese a lot, I do a bunch of all-ins, etc. I can understand why that would be frustrating to play against, and I can see how upset people can get when they're trying very hard to play well and just keep getting nailed with early attacks that seem impossible to stop. It's difficult. It's frustrating. I get it.
[UTD] Spiders: kill yourself please ... [UTD] Spiders: you know my advice wasn't out of anger right [UTD] Spiders: really do it
This is entirely inappropriate though. Look, I know there's this mentality of "Oh, people don't mean shit on the internet, if you're upset by something someone said, just grow some balls and get over it". But you know what, some things just aren't right. You wouldn't go up to someone in real life and say that; If you lost a game of billiards or ping pong, would you tell your opponent to go kill themselves? What makes this okay on the internet??
In high school, my best friend was suicidal and having tons of family/personal issues, so he used WC3 as an escape. Unfortunately, his social life in WC3 turned out to be just as screwed up as his real life, and he dealt with a lot of drama, including the biting statement of someone "Just go kill yourself." It's rather amazing that he was able to make it through that period of life. But at any moment, a dumb comment like that could have enough to push him over the edge.
My point is: the internet is real and the people online are real people. We need to stop spreading these ideas that it's okay to be BM online because it doesn't mean anything. I understand the purpose of "smack talk", but we shouldn't be making it a habit to say incredibly rude and/or hurtful things just because we don't actually have to face those people in person.
Over the past year, especially, I've seen the SC2 community get more virulent and destructive as the more casual gameplay has died out and a larger percentage of the game is made up of tryhards. We've gone from the days of "I think my cool proxy thor strategy might work, this game is fun" to "FUCK PROTOSS ORACLES FUCKING SUCK DTS FUCKING SUCK BLINK FUCKING SUCKS WTF DO I DO I CANT WIN A SINGLE FUCKING GAME AGAINST BULLSHIT TOSS." This is an ugly mindset. It's an infection in the community.
I would like to advocate a more mindful attitude. Above all, we play games for enjoyment and the rush of proving our ability. However, sometimes these things can be overshadowed by the darker sides of our competitive spirit; we all need to work a little on managing our stress and keeping an open mind so we don't have ridiculous outbursts like the one above. If you feel frustrated with playing but you love Starcraft, then try other things: offrace, play some arcade games, do some casting, do some writing, do something for the community, etc. If you love Starcraft, show it off in every way possible. Don't force yourself to play and get frustrated and upset. Enjoy the game. It's a game.
I encourage everyone to keep loving the game and keeping an open mindset for the things you do and say. Your actions DO affect other people, even online. Starcraft is a beautiful thing; the fact that we can get together, millions of us, and cheer for pro players, and create the giant thinktank that is ladder, and have profusions of SC-related art and music is beautiful. This community is beautiful. Keep it beautiful.
On January 10 2014 18:12 Folca wrote: As usual, the responses are just "blowing off" the sad reality that the OP has made in his post.
How pathetic.
Nah, it's fine. I don't expect this to be taken too seriously and ultimately the point I'm trying to make is to not take things too seriously anyway. We should all be a little more accepting and more in fellowship with each other. If all of us were able to blow off a little steam by making a joke or deflecting from the reality in front of us, it would be infinitely better than the pent-up war-mongering rage some people display.
Yeah well you can't expect people to keep their cool when everyone has there own ideas on how the game should be played. People think that if you don't macro you have no skill etc, when you play vs people that all in it frustrates you, obviously you don't mind it as you play that way anyway. Others do, and it frustrates them so you have to look at both sides of the coin. Obviously none of that denotes anyone to be able to say those kinds of things but they are clearly annoyed and they mean nothing by it, just keyboard warrior rage.
On a personal level i have no idea why people play this game to all in and get it over and done with inside 6-8 minutes >.< I played about 5 2v2 games last night and all 5 were different types of cheese. From proxy 2 gates from double toss, to 3 rax stim all ins from 2 Terran. These were on BIG maps as well which is even more stupid. It makes you so annoying as for me playing "to cheese" is just boring and doesn't prove any skill. I prefer to try and hold the cheese and then show better macro than my opponent, but obviously this is hard to do at low level
I had made a rage post about how this concept frustrates the crap out of me, but it was pretty negative and not all that productive, so let's try this again.
My winrates for the three matchups I played against were roughly 55%, 70%, and 30%. This means that every time I started up a ladder game of SC2, there was a 1/3 chance I'd get a matchup that I did not know how to win (And I had a team and a practice buddy of that race, so it wasn't for lack of practice) and a 1/3rd chance I'd get a matchup I'd slaughter in.
It's easy to like a game you've got a 70% chance to win.
It's really, REALLY hard to like a game you've got a 70% chance to lose.
There is no way that those statistics are no frustrating, and even though the game is balanced as a whole, this only means that there's someone out there with my winrates, inverted, and they hate my 70% matchup as much as I hate theirs.
What, in that event, do you suggest you do to be productive and stay positive about Sc2? Ultimately, that one matchup is what killed it for me, and while it never drove me to the point of telling someone to go die, there is no denying that there was some major frustration there (I mean, hell, it still persists...). It's a fine notion to suggest that you try make that beautiful. I'm curious what your suggestions would be on how to do so.
I'm feeling you. Here's a little excerpt from a recent post of mine from the the letting of steam thread:
[...] you say gg hf, they say go die in hell. you win, they call you a fucking no skill noob.
I used to laugh at ppl who needed to insult ppl against they lost. It was actually amusing and even a bit understandable. however, if this happens in the majority of your games it starts to be really annoying. And the insulting isn't limited to their losses, nooooo, if they win it gets even worse. I want to scream at them: God damn it, you flew in 2 drops with 7 med vacs and right clicked 2 out of 3 nexi and actually killing both at the expense of your entire army without even touching my army. Guess what, my counter attack with 4 colossus won't be stoped by 1 viking and 2 medvacs...but toss imba, that must be it. Hell, you just double widow mine droped me and killed half of my workers. You see i have colossus tech up. I walk across the map with 2 colossus and you have 4 CCs and 0 vikings?! Oh well, toss op. I should just go fucking kill myself... I usually just type GG in the chat. in vain most of time though, since they just ignore you after they wished cancer upon those you love. [...]
The last part with the cancer wishes seems to be a thing since i encounter it quite regularly. For me, this is one of the most disgusting things to say. I often see myself hovering over the report button but then refrain from clicking it since Blizzard does not seem to really care. I'd love the ppl at least a bit more thoughtful about what they say. I'd also be fine if Blizzard was more vocal about not tolerating insults and warning/banning accounts.
I agree, I have seen more and more insults (both on NA and EU) even after a quite friendly opening.
People going, gl hf sir, and a little of small talk (friendly) then lose/win and leave saying "OMG YOU NOOB" (or worse). It's sad.
Sadly you can't change those people in one night. I try to always be polite and say gl hf every game and gg every time I lose. I say wp to well-executed all-ins / builds. And I even wish good luck in the next games to people I played an intense and close game with. I think in the long run, it will make those BM people a bit calmer.
My advice would be: don't reply aggressively and always be nice, because there is (sadly) nothing else to do about it.
but then some things just go overboard, wishing cancer/Death to someone, I mean, really? Why would you do that? I do not feel hurt by these, just sad for the person saying it. But I can understand how it can really depress someone. I think Blizzard is not harsh enough against those kinds of comments.
On January 10 2014 18:12 Folca wrote: As usual, the responses are just "blowing off" the sad reality that the OP has made in his post.
How pathetic.
"Blowing off"?
The only solution to this is if everyone just relaxed and had a good time instead of taking the game so seriously to the point of anger. Of course we should highlight when negative community elements like this become detrimental to our enjoyment, but it is important to remain calm and maintain a positive attitude so as not to become like the hatemongers we single out. No need to call people pathetic for approaching this lightheartedly. that's the same kind of attitude the OP is talking about
so yeah i wish everyone was a chill bro like me 8)
While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
Meh, I would always put on mute on I played a game, so no biggie.
I know the topic is serious, but I couldn't stop laughing at this.
On January 10 2014 17:18 SC2John wrote: "FUCK PROTOSS ORACLES FUCKING SUCK DTS FUCKING SUCK BLINK FUCKING SUCKS WTF DO I DO I CANT WIN A SINGLE FUCKING GAME AGAINST BULLSHIT TOSS."
there are two seperate issues: the issue itself and what certain people do when confronted with frustration deriving from it
it is benign to type things like: "zerg no macro noob.. terran no micro skill .. toss imba stupid" .. etc and then quit the game these comments are dumb and instill in people the wrong kind of state of mind and make the community less than it could be,
they however remain within the context of the game vernacular
that is not the case when people are typing racist demeaning or threatning content, those should be reported because in order for people to live peacefully there has to be rules that you should follow
typing glhf and gg is good because whatever you think of yourself or your opponent or indeed the game itself you are aknowledging that you are thankful that this is (then was for gg) a human social interaction that was spawned in a respectfull environment not a sewer
semantics matter a great deal in our society, that young people resent this or actively declare that "it is no big deal" and that more knowledgeable people let it happen.. is wrong and dangerous
On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote: While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
it is wrong to assume that "faceless" internet exchange in a game has no larger effect on every other social evolution
picture it like cigarets: telling kids they can't smoke while you are smoking defiently in front of them has definite effects, while smoking one cig a month may not be that bad, smoking for 20 years can kill you etc
examples, role models, impressionable people, all factors should count
furthermore one should not let it sly, it is as much part of the problem as the problem itself
I legit lost all interest in playing SC2 due to things like this. It's just mindless solo ladder playing against people that rage, insult, berate and cheese/BM you like flying buildings when they know they lost and just qq the whole time you are building air units.
I seriously only play team games now or rather moved onto Dota2 where even though one guy can ruin a game, you can have support. Example: Player A) calls you a no skill jungle scrub, your team mate player B) says u mad?
I donno maybe it's not fixing the problem or right in anyway... but it sure hell beats someone insulting you and saying things about your mother after you beat them and then just sitting there silently to yourself and going onto the next game. Really messes with the nerves for me at least.
Lichter sign me up for the chill bro club. I wanna be a chill bro too.
But seriously, I've glhf'd and gg'd in all but maybe three or four games in my last 500+ games. I'm extremely proud of my chat logs in sc2 gears where the number of gg's by kommatiazo is almost equal to total games lost, but I wish I didn't have to see it tallied next to the hits on "die" "noob" "no skill" blah blah blah. I feel like my last experience is less bm filled than most people's, but it is still disheartening.
That's why you have to just take a deep breath, tell yourself to be a chill bro and hit find match again.
I don't know how people can talk about allins, cheese and what not as it's not the point of this blog.
The point of it (or maybe i misunderstood) is that it's ok to rage and be mad because you lost, but you DO NOT say : "Go kill yourself" or something like this to someone.
When i play a game (and that's really rare) and i get something like : "I hope you get cancer or your family die in a car accident" it is NOT OK. I don't care that the guys lost to a freeking cheese. If the guy would say that to my face... Well he better starts to run.
I really would like Blizzard to have a more aggresive stance against those behavior like Microsoft would do at the start of the Xbox live when it was still kind of manageable.
I really would want to know the number of people that are banned for inapropriate behavior, that would make me really happy to see that actions are taken about this.
And John... no, it's not Protoss. It's every race because there is a lot of dumb people on the internet. And it's not Starcraft. It's everywhere. I really would like the companies that manage online communities to have more aggressive stance about this.
And i mean. When i lose in this game i am SO ANGRY sometimes (i really have anger issue with starcraft), but i would destroy my computer with my bare hands before wishing someone to die over a game.
On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote: While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
So your answer to people having insecurities is not play online and then... play alone ? That does not makes sense. It's the same in real life. there is fragile people. People than can just take a entire bottle of pills because their boss are making a living hell out of them. You do not bully or insult random people in life. You shouldn't do it in Sc too. If i understand correctly. That was his point.
On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote: While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
Honestly, it doesn't bother me much because I know those insults are a result of some kind of frustration, whatever. But I'm also pretty mature and understanding now. There are a lot of people who cannot handle things like this as well as me, many younger and/or more emotionally unstable people. Either way, the point is that these things are completely unacceptable to say, and we shouldn't make it acceptable because it's "the dark depths of the internet, get over it scrub, lolololol." People on the other side of the internet are not "random faceless people", they are REAL people.
On January 11 2014 00:45 FFW_Rude wrote: And John... no, it's not Protoss. It's every race because there is a lot of dumb people on the internet. And it's not Starcraft. It's everywhere. I really would like the companies that manage online communities to have more aggressive stance about this.
I understand. But the weird racial thing we've got going on in SC2 is ruining the community for a lot of people I know. A lot of people I've talked to tell me things like, "I just can't stand the cesspool that is ladder anymore...too much rage, so much random shit." Maybe we can't really do anything for ladder, I don't know. It's just really distressing seeing so much division within our own community based solely on a bunch of tryhards' inability to win.
On January 10 2014 19:17 Staboteur wrote: I had made a rage post about how this concept frustrates the crap out of me, but it was pretty negative and not all that productive, so let's try this again.
My winrates for the three matchups I played against were roughly 55%, 70%, and 30%. This means that every time I started up a ladder game of SC2, there was a 1/3 chance I'd get a matchup that I did not know how to win (And I had a team and a practice buddy of that race, so it wasn't for lack of practice) and a 1/3rd chance I'd get a matchup I'd slaughter in.
It's easy to like a game you've got a 70% chance to win.
It's really, REALLY hard to like a game you've got a 70% chance to lose.
There is no way that those statistics are no frustrating, and even though the game is balanced as a whole, this only means that there's someone out there with my winrates, inverted, and they hate my 70% matchup as much as I hate theirs.
What, in that event, do you suggest you do to be productive and stay positive about Sc2? Ultimately, that one matchup is what killed it for me, and while it never drove me to the point of telling someone to go die, there is no denying that there was some major frustration there (I mean, hell, it still persists...). It's a fine notion to suggest that you try make that beautiful. I'm curious what your suggestions would be on how to do so.
The short of it: you need to cool down and stop focusing on winning and just enjoy the game some lol. Seriously, just offrace some, refine a couple of cheeses or silly all-in strategies for your losing matchup. Play some customs, do other productive things within the community. Your existence in SC2 doesn't have to all come down to whether you win or lose games.
If you want advice on how to improve, that's a different story. I spent almost a month or two trying to figure out colossus openings in PvT, and it still just never made sense to me, despite having the entire build laid out until the 16:00 mark. It just didn't click for me. However, I switched to a templar style of PvT and my statistics have shot through the roof. When I was really really terrible at PvZ and couldn't make any headway, I just learned a few 2-base robo all-ins and worked on refining them: huge difference. I've even played a straight week of 6pools one time when I was at a brick wall and wanted to work on some fundamentals. A lot of times it's simply about changing your mindset and trying something totally different from what you're doing currently. Find your own way to play. Come up with strategies that work for you, at your skill level, against your own opponents.
Really John.. There is no racial thing on ladder...
Play Zerg you will see a lot of Zerg OP, Winfestor, GGlords (yeah those are still a thing on ladder). You can even see things like : Raoches OP (yeah... and in TvZ too). Play Terran and you will get imba mules, marines OP (yeah). "Drops are stupid with the speed boost".
What is happening is bandwagoning. I make fun of protoss in the LRSL thread for example because it's funny to people in there (and it's quite light as you can really write any unit in a sentence).
In this community we have a lot of people that don't even have HotS and say Protoss is OP or something like that. I somtimes talk with my coworker and they talk about OPeness in Protoss because that's what they read (they do not play the game and they do not watch tournaments)
I'm not sure what you want to say ? Because i understand that you mix things with SC2/Protoss and Threatening talking. I really am with you on the later. But SC2/Protoss is quite irrelevant in this discussion (it's my opinion) because you can switch to another game and have the same thing (i have no other examples that comes to mind sorry )
I feel i'm kind of aggressive in my words (dunno why) but really i'm not. Just friendly discussing
You know I agree, in principle certain things are not acceptable. Its the same thing as calling someone a "nigger" as was done infamously in the past by certain celebrities in SC2, to a certain minority in the world it can be highly offensive and have a more serious psychological impact. For someone who is suicidal in their daily life telling them to go kill themselves is obviously something that might be particularly hurtful.
Unfortunately your post is likely not going to be noticed by the masses who play SC2 and interact on different forums, or those who don't go on forums at all. In theory though, I think we generally support your post - it would be a better world if people didn't insult people so harshly over a video game loss.
But I guess it also speaks to just how frustrating the game is that this stuff occurs. Maybe the people who say it are just insensitive, but they may also be so overwhelmingly angry (its not uncommon to read blog posts about how SC2 creates a lot of hatred in people to the point where it ruins parts of their lives) that these types of reactions are the only outlet for their rage. From that perspective we have a more serious problem that won't be fixed by what amounts to a superficial request to be nicer. This is of course impossible to solve for any of us...but then again it seems impossible to solve even if this isn't the case and we just want the gaming community to be more sensitive. In any case, I theoretically agree with you
I should guess that the majority of these posts come from angry sixteen year olds. Hell, I remember what being sixteen was like. Also, at that time you haven't quite figured out what things come across like and how much nicer life is when you're more relaxed and don't take everything personal. Saying stfu n00b seems like a fun or normal thing to say if you see other people do it. I used to be mad and flame back, but then it occured to me that I was insulting pimpled teenagers that have no chance with girls at all (and wouldn't know if they did) and then I stopped. (btw, this is not meant to insult them, that's pretty much the basic experience of teenagers, right?)
you think protoss gets raged on? Try meching as a terran player and instead of getting a "gg" after a 1 hour game you get a "go die" or "your a joke" or something like that
instead of trying to convince people not to rage or to change their gaming mindset just change yours
and give less fucks :D
it's kind of an idealist point of view to think people everywhere are going to start being nice ideally it would be great, but sadly marijuana is illegal is a lot of countries
it's better to train yourself for the real world and just decide not to care about what people say
On January 10 2014 22:58 Pangpootata wrote: While I agree with your main point that bad manners is detrimental to a community, I can't agree with most of your arguments. Are you seriously telling me that you would be affected by what some random faceless person over the internet has to say about you? If you do, then you probably have some insecurities that you need to work on first before venturing into the dark depths of the internet.
That being said, it is obvious that for a person to get worked up to the point of flaming someone over the internet due to frustration over a loss, he definitely has certain ego issues. What you need to do is chill out and come up with entertaining ways to deal with such individuals. I usually play minigames with them. I make them perform tasks such as telling me a good joke that makes me laugh in exchange for me leaving and letting him have the win. Some of them actually end up begging me to let them win and coming up with some sad stories of how badly they need the ladder points (some guy actually told me ladder was his life). Of course, I actually do give them the win if I find them worthy.
So your answer to people having insecurities is not play online and then... play alone ? That does not makes sense. It's the same in real life. there is fragile people. People than can just take a entire bottle of pills because their boss are making a living hell out of them. You do not bully or insult random people in life. You shouldn't do it in Sc too. If i understand correctly. That was his point.
EDIT : Woops sorry i thought i hit edit
I did not say that. I can understand people being affected by what someone in real life does. Your example is a false analogy, because a boss making a living hell for someone is able to disrupt the person's daily routine and put stress on the person. But for some faceless person over the internet who is incapable of doing anything to you except send lines of texts? I just don't see how people can care enough about random internet strangers to be personally affected by that.
If someone beat me in ping-pong, I would tell that asshole off. I'd be saying shit about his family and friends, and making personal threats, and I would make a voodoo doll of them and put pins into it every day, especially around the genitals.
On January 11 2014 07:05 mizU wrote: instead of trying to convince people not to rage or to change their gaming mindset just change yours
and give less fucks :D
it's kind of an idealist point of view to think people everywhere are going to start being nice ideally it would be great, but sadly marijuana is illegal is a lot of countries
it's better to train yourself for the real world and just decide not to care about what people say
I think you're missing the point of my post. My post is exactly about this bullshit "give less fucks" attitude that allows anyone to say anything on the internet because "it's the internet" and everyone else is a "random, faceless person". I don't honestly give a fuck that that kid said that to me personally. But that kind of behavior is completely unacceptable. Multiplied by a thousand (or probably more), and you have a cancerous behavior destroying what could be a really beautiful fellowship of gamers.
Why would you wish death or horrible things on a person you don't even know? My point here is: your behavior on the internet DOES matter. The people on the receiving end of these asinine comments are real people, and saying things like that is not only incredibly rude, it's completely psychopathic and unacceptable behavior.
While this is hilarious and made me laugh a good chunk, the part about "winning being fun" vs "gameplay being fun" made me think. I recently started thinking about it, and came to the conclusion that my in-game rage, while not as severe as the OP brought up, comes from a simple fact, that this whole pallette of emotions that the game invokes within me, bits of happiness, frustration, hate, rage, fury, suprise, joy, fun, become incredibly condensed in that one tiny moment of the end screen appearing. Because I'm pretty sure that for me the outcome of an activity outweights any feelings from the activity itself so severely, that the activity becomes almost irrelevant in comparison. Quick example would be me going through all my online games in quick succession, just to find a win, no matter in which. Not trying to excuse myself, just wanted to take part in the discussion since it hits pretty close to home
Don't force yourself to play and get frustrated and upset. Enjoy the game. It's a game.
Having said that, I would just mute opponents if it's getting to you since most won't likely stop cursing and won't follow the above advice. I guess I'm lucky since I've only been cursed several times over 1000 games that I've played lol.
I don't know if it relates but I remember when I was iccuping... in the lowly D- ranks... barely getting into D from time to time, only to get knocked back down 10x faster, getting raped by 2 gate, proxy templar archives into DT, 9 pool speed, 2 hatch lurks, 4 pool occasionally... plenty of other "cheesy" openings and strats that stopped me from gaining "late game" experience or management... really, I was thankful.
Sure sometimes it could be annoying in the sense of "I scouted his 5 pool and blocked it, I scouted his expo time, okay I'm way ahead, okay he's going 2 hatch lair, probably lurkers, okay scan for the den, oh shi----" *cue 30 speedlings and 4 lurkers running into my 1 bunker nat with like 1 control group of marines because I couldn't macro for shit.* Even then though it wasn't a situation where I didn't have respect for my opponent. I would just be frustrated at my own lack of skill.
Eventually, as I became more experienced, I learned how to scout, react to, and stop such strats. If you want to be a good player you have to react to every possible situation. Granted BW and SC2 are different games but I would just /dnd and work on my management/scouting.
There's no reason to rage and there's no reason to worry about raging. You're teaching them how the game works, if anything they should be thankful to you . It's their choice to get better or to give up. A good macro strategy with scouting can always stop a cheese if you have the right execution.
SC2John, your'e an SC2BALLER!!!!! I agree with you.
The way that I see it is that if you think it's okay to BM people, or tell them to kill themselves and do anything you can to make their life slightly shittier then you need to talk to someone. It's messed up.
how sad it is that in 2014 so many people lack any sense of solidarity or history
the mere fact that some of you think one has to be affected directly by this problem to type in this thread or make statements in twitch chats or on forums more generaly, makes our point for us
i don't personnaly care that i get insulted online by juvenile no lifers, but i care deeply about other people who have been hurt and their increasing number.
hence i will repeat again and again the way people respect each other in gaming chats or on forums is important, it shapes everything else in your lifes
edit ps: ty sc2john for fighting the good fight, tl lurker heaven is what it is, every lil bit of sane constructive people posting about this issue matters ; vocal wannabe trollers do not rule anything else than their own brain, and then again not even that
I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
I am sorry, but if someone takes real-life consequences from being told to kill himselfs in a videogame, he is either utterly stupid or so mentaly unstable, that his life is going to be shitty anyway. If this doesn't happen, then something else, equally irrelevant happens and will have the same effect. I absolutely disagree with the idea that people should refrain form saying something just because someone doesn't like to hear that. Yes, I agree that we need rules with regard to communication, but those should be concerned mainly when a 3rd party is involved - if A says to C that B is a cancer to all humanity, that's obviously not OK, because he hurts the way B is percieved by C with no apparent reason. But if A says that to B, there is no practical harm. I don't think people should be protected from their own absurd sensitivity. If you can't ignore when people say shit in your face, you should just find a remote cave and live there, the rest of the humanity is not here to provide you the comfort you selfishly require. This is not abotu online/offline - the reason we see this open shitsaying on the internet more is that it is a newer space, less burdened by old-fashinoed limits, but I am against any unnecessary censorhsip in human expression at any space.
On January 11 2014 22:46 opisska wrote: I am sorry, but if someone takes real-life consequences from being told to kill himselfs in a videogame, he is either utterly stupid or so mentaly unstable, that his life is going to be shitty anyway. If this doesn't happen, then something else, equally irrelevant happens and will have the same effect. I absolutely disagree with the idea that people should refrain form saying something just because someone doesn't like to hear that. Yes, I agree that we need rules with regard to communication, but those should be concerned mainly when a 3rd party is involved - if A says to C that B is a cancer to all humanity, that's obviously not OK, because he hurts the way B is percieved by C with no apparent reason. But if A says that to B, there is no practical harm. I don't think people should be protected from their own absurd sensitivity. If you can't ignore when people say shit in your face, you should just find a remote cave and live there, the rest of the humanity is not here to provide you the comfort you selfishly require. This is not abotu online/offline - the reason we see this open shitsaying on the internet more is that it is a newer space, less burdened by old-fashinoed limits, but I am against any unnecessary censorhsip in human expression at any space.
If I come at your face and wish cancer on your mother (who, I don't know, might just be dying of it), you wouldn't care? I'd probably hit that asshole until he bleeds. But I can't on the internet. So I guess that might be more responsible for it than the internet being an open space. We're not being polite because we have to many sticks up our asses. We're being polite so we don't get the crap beaten out of us to often.
On January 11 2014 22:46 opisska wrote: I am sorry, but if someone takes real-life consequences from being told to kill himselfs in a videogame, he is either utterly stupid or so mentaly unstable, that his life is going to be shitty anyway. If this doesn't happen, then something else, equally irrelevant happens and will have the same effect. I absolutely disagree with the idea that people should refrain form saying something just because someone doesn't like to hear that. Yes, I agree that we need rules with regard to communication, but those should be concerned mainly when a 3rd party is involved - if A says to C that B is a cancer to all humanity, that's obviously not OK, because he hurts the way B is percieved by C with no apparent reason. But if A says that to B, there is no practical harm. I don't think people should be protected from their own absurd sensitivity. If you can't ignore when people say shit in your face, you should just find a remote cave and live there, the rest of the humanity is not here to provide you the comfort you selfishly require. This is not abotu online/offline - the reason we see this open shitsaying on the internet more is that it is a newer space, less burdened by old-fashinoed limits, but I am against any unnecessary censorhsip in human expression at any space.
If I come at your face and wish cancer on your mother (who, I don't know, might just be dying of it), you wouldn't care? I'd probably hit that asshole until he bleeds. But I can't on the internet. So I guess that might be more responsible for it than the internet being an open space. We're not being polite because we have to many sticks up our asses. We're being polite so we don't get the crap beaten out of us to often.
It can be boiled down to this statement:
Don't be a bitch.
Unnecessarily BMing someone with outrageous statements like asking someone to kill themselves or wishing them illness or death...it's not acceptable, and it's it's asshole behavior whether or not the other person can see your face. If you act like an asshole well...you're kind of an asshole, whether or not you think it's okay to be that way online.
On January 11 2014 20:41 GumBa wrote: I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
But offensive GGs are so funny lol. Obviously it's really hard to deal with after you've played a game to the best of your ability and worked really hard. But comon, offensive GGs are great! As long as you don't take it too far.
On January 11 2014 22:46 opisska wrote: I am sorry, but if someone takes real-life consequences from being told to kill himselfs in a videogame, he is either utterly stupid or so mentaly unstable, that his life is going to be shitty anyway. If this doesn't happen, then something else, equally irrelevant happens and will have the same effect. I absolutely disagree with the idea that people should refrain form saying something just because someone doesn't like to hear that. Yes, I agree that we need rules with regard to communication, but those should be concerned mainly when a 3rd party is involved - if A says to C that B is a cancer to all humanity, that's obviously not OK, because he hurts the way B is percieved by C with no apparent reason. But if A says that to B, there is no practical harm. I don't think people should be protected from their own absurd sensitivity. If you can't ignore when people say shit in your face, you should just find a remote cave and live there, the rest of the humanity is not here to provide you the comfort you selfishly require. This is not abotu online/offline - the reason we see this open shitsaying on the internet more is that it is a newer space, less burdened by old-fashinoed limits, but I am against any unnecessary censorhsip in human expression at any space.
If I come at your face and wish cancer on your mother (who, I don't know, might just be dying of it), you wouldn't care? I'd probably hit that asshole until he bleeds. But I can't on the internet. So I guess that might be more responsible for it than the internet being an open space. We're not being polite because we have to many sticks up our asses. We're being polite so we don't get the crap beaten out of us to often.
I wouldn't care. It would make you sound like an idiot and thus make me ignore you. On the other hand, If I said that and you beat the crap out of me, I would just call the police, because, you know, beating people up because you don't like what thay said to you is illegal in every concievable western country, no matter how "offensive" that was. This is just to clarify
Another clarification: I am not the kind of person who says such things, because I don't think they convey a lot of useful information. I can't really recall wishing death upon anyone - even though I don't really like people by default, I have a high regard for living creatures. However, that doesn't change the fact that I absolutely hate the opinion that other people shouldn't be free to do that if they wish.
On January 11 2014 20:41 GumBa wrote: I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
But offensive GGs are so funny lol. Obviously it's really hard to deal with after you've played a game to the best of your ability and worked really hard. But comon, offensive GGs are great! As long as you don't take it too far.
Funny for you but probably not the other guy. IMO offensive GG is the ultimate "bitch" move.
On January 11 2014 20:41 GumBa wrote: I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
But offensive GGs are so funny lol. Obviously it's really hard to deal with after you've played a game to the best of your ability and worked really hard. But comon, offensive GGs are great! As long as you don't take it too far.
I disagree. Nothing pisses me off more than offensive GGs especially when I was about to type it lol.
On January 11 2014 20:41 GumBa wrote: I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
But offensive GGs are so funny lol. Obviously it's really hard to deal with after you've played a game to the best of your ability and worked really hard. But comon, offensive GGs are great! As long as you don't take it too far.
I disagree. Nothing pisses me off more than offensive GGs especially when I was about to type it lol.
People who offensive GG or type shit like "ouit" get to kill all my buildings haha.
On January 11 2014 20:41 GumBa wrote: I try to gg and gl hf every game no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes but for some reason people who offensive gg and bm me when they win and I havent insultes them get me so mad. Like when a toss blink allins me I literally going to type gg then some offensive gg comes along or some bm out of nowhere and tose are the moment I hate sc2
But offensive GGs are so funny lol. Obviously it's really hard to deal with after you've played a game to the best of your ability and worked really hard. But comon, offensive GGs are great! As long as you don't take it too far.
I disagree. Nothing pisses me off more than offensive GGs especially when I was about to type it lol.
People who offensive GG or type shit like "ouit" get to kill all my buildings haha.
There is a level where you get offended with whatever people say online. You probably didn't spend enough time there, too old/young to adapt, etc.
The next level is either you stop caring or you embrace it and treat as part of a deal. It really can be fun. You make comparisons to real life situations, but you don't realize this trashtalk happens almost in every competitive sport. You think football, NBA or NHL are different? You'd be shocked if you heard some of the shit that is being said, and its face-to-face.
I say toughen up. If you can't handle that shit just don't play, because you will always end up being humiliated. One thing is being cussed by someone who lost to you and another to be mocked by someone toying with you.
On January 12 2014 10:34 usedtocare wrote: There is a level where you get offended with whatever people say online. You probably didn't spend enough time there, too old/young to adapt, etc.
The next level is either you stop caring or you embrace it and treat as part of a deal. It really can be fun. You make comparisons to real life situations, but you don't realize this trashtalk happens almost in every competitive sport. You think football, NBA or NHL are different? You'd be shocked if you heard some of the shit that is being said, and its face-to-face.
I say toughen up. If you can't handle that shit just don't play, because you will always end up being humiliated. One thing is being cussed by someone who lost to you and another to be mocked by someone toying with you.
On January 11 2014 22:46 opisska wrote: I am sorry, but if someone takes real-life consequences from being told to kill himselfs in a videogame, he is either utterly stupid or so mentaly unstable, that his life is going to be shitty anyway. If this doesn't happen, then something else, equally irrelevant happens and will have the same effect. I absolutely disagree with the idea that people should refrain form saying something just because someone doesn't like to hear that. Yes, I agree that we need rules with regard to communication, but those should be concerned mainly when a 3rd party is involved - if A says to C that B is a cancer to all humanity, that's obviously not OK, because he hurts the way B is percieved by C with no apparent reason. But if A says that to B, there is no practical harm. I don't think people should be protected from their own absurd sensitivity. If you can't ignore when people say shit in your face, you should just find a remote cave and live there, the rest of the humanity is not here to provide you the comfort you selfishly require. This is not abotu online/offline - the reason we see this open shitsaying on the internet more is that it is a newer space, less burdened by old-fashinoed limits, but I am against any unnecessary censorhsip in human expression at any space.
If I come at your face and wish cancer on your mother (who, I don't know, might just be dying of it), you wouldn't care? I'd probably hit that asshole until he bleeds. But I can't on the internet. So I guess that might be more responsible for it than the internet being an open space. We're not being polite because we have to many sticks up our asses. We're being polite so we don't get the crap beaten out of us to often.
It can be boiled down to this statement:
Don't be a bitch.
Unnecessarily BMing someone with outrageous statements like asking someone to kill themselves or wishing them illness or death...it's not acceptable, and it's it's asshole behavior whether or not the other person can see your face. If you act like an asshole well...you're kind of an asshole, whether or not you think it's okay to be that way online.