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On June 16 2014 12:14 KingKayzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:52 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 04:40 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points. You don't have any opinions or points, you just made up a random number and thought that was a valuable post in some way. Why not 3 weeks suspension? Why not 5? Why not 2 months? Tell me, which is most appropriate? Reality check: Opinions are totally worthless unless you have something to back them up with, whether it be reputation, experience or preferably, some actual reasoning or evidence to support your argument. Oh you have an opinion? How very not special, every has opinions. Other things everyone has, the ability to breath. Do you want me to applaud you for breathing? HEY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID THIS THING EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO! WHOOOOOOO!!! Earn your respect by posting something interesting. Opinions are the most common thing in the world and appropriately also the least valuable. Distinguish yours from others by making it interesting and arguing your point, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram and stamping your feed when somebody calls you out on your vapid point. Oh look, starting to yell at someone to get yourself more attention because someone refuses to acknowledge you. How very original of you. Could you lay off of total biscuit? The guy is a cancer patient and if you think that Ruff's comments didn't offend him either, you're wrong. Adding to that, he is only being realistic. It'd be alot easier to lay off him if there weren't so many dickriders in this thread. You get me? PS: Being a cancer patient doesn't excuse a person of certain power and persuasion from publicly decrying a player that has already even admitted to crying as a result of his actions. Where I'M from that's called using your illness to take advantage of situations - in this case, taking advantage of your status and your medical history to make sure that Ruff has no second chances. I just found out who you are, TotalBiscuit. I used to watch your show on youtube. Dat public appereance. On your WTF IS... you seem like the kind of dude people want to invite over for a beer and a joint. But, like Michael Jordan, you're just a douchebag taking advantage of your position to berrate people and whine at the system (yeah, I also saw your whiny video about the industry.) Fuck you, man. Take a page from Nony's book. I took his post as a subtle FUCK YOU to someone. But, no one batted an eye because it was done in a professional manner. ...I'm out of this thread before I get banned again. >.< User was temp banned for this post.
As usual, we see that many of the people that dislike me are the people nobody would want as fans to begin with.
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I'm slightly confused; a player on a prominent American Team with huge sponsors, makes an ignorant comment about the health condition of another professional gamer while sporting the tag of this prominent team? And for some reason people think that its an over reaction to kick this player off the team?
There's a difference between trash talk and making a completely offensive comment that attacks a persons actual living status. Maybe we should translate RuFF's statement to make it simple for those who don't get what was said: "Ha ha, you have cancer, have fun with that". How is that a justifiable comment?
Not even trying to rag on RuFF, its the fact that he at the time was representing a top tier team of NA (IvD) and made that comment while wearing their tag. If it was any player on any other top tier team, they too would be getting the same treatment. You can't expect to get away with a comment like that and have no consequence, no matter how bad the tension between the two players is.
Apologizing on the internet doesn't take bravery; its literally the easiest thing anyone can do. Nobody can see your facial expressions or hear sympathy in your voice. All there is text on a screen.
Also, most professional athletes in the US get fined a good amount of money (by the Sporting Organization) for making personal jibes at other athletes. Obviously Blizzard can't fine RuFF (nor can IvD), so the clear action is to kick him.
It was a RuFF decision, but in the end IvD had to do what it had to do.
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On June 16 2014 13:13 puCK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. My thoughts exactly. Ruff may have his moments, but he is a good person if you get to actually know him.
i don't think anyones arguing against that (mostly)
the problem is where he did it, infront of who with what he used as ammunition, he's the only one we can clearly establish to be in the wrong, regardless of whether or not minigun was too. Is dismissal fair? I can't say. plenty of players (pro and otherwise, root and otherwise) have said he's toxic others such as yourself say it's momentary and possibly rare, but it's just not fair to let it slide both to chad and as a precedent. Some people are a bit too gung ho about it though.
(the first part is at puck the rest is kinda at him but mostly just in general)
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On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous.
I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along.
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Reopening old wounds probably won't help much Catz D: especially since it doesn't involve Ruff or Minigun. Probably shouldn't be in this thread D:
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On June 16 2014 13:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:14 KingKayzz wrote:On June 16 2014 11:52 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 04:40 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points. You don't have any opinions or points, you just made up a random number and thought that was a valuable post in some way. Why not 3 weeks suspension? Why not 5? Why not 2 months? Tell me, which is most appropriate? Reality check: Opinions are totally worthless unless you have something to back them up with, whether it be reputation, experience or preferably, some actual reasoning or evidence to support your argument. Oh you have an opinion? How very not special, every has opinions. Other things everyone has, the ability to breath. Do you want me to applaud you for breathing? HEY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID THIS THING EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO! WHOOOOOOO!!! Earn your respect by posting something interesting. Opinions are the most common thing in the world and appropriately also the least valuable. Distinguish yours from others by making it interesting and arguing your point, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram and stamping your feed when somebody calls you out on your vapid point. Oh look, starting to yell at someone to get yourself more attention because someone refuses to acknowledge you. How very original of you. Could you lay off of total biscuit? The guy is a cancer patient and if you think that Ruff's comments didn't offend him either, you're wrong. Adding to that, he is only being realistic. It'd be alot easier to lay off him if there weren't so many dickriders in this thread. You get me? PS: Being a cancer patient doesn't excuse a person of certain power and persuasion from publicly decrying a player that has already even admitted to crying as a result of his actions. Where I'M from that's called using your illness to take advantage of situations - in this case, taking advantage of your status and your medical history to make sure that Ruff has no second chances. I just found out who you are, TotalBiscuit. I used to watch your show on youtube. Dat public appereance. On your WTF IS... you seem like the kind of dude people want to invite over for a beer and a joint. But, like Michael Jordan, you're just a douchebag taking advantage of your position to berrate people and whine at the system (yeah, I also saw your whiny video about the industry.) Fuck you, man. Take a page from Nony's book. I took his post as a subtle FUCK YOU to someone. But, no one batted an eye because it was done in a professional manner. ...I'm out of this thread before I get banned again. >.< User was temp banned for this post. As usual, we see that many of the people that dislike me are the people nobody would want as fans to begin with.
TB, can I ask why this post is necessary. You actually wasted a minute of your time and everyone else's to go: "Oh hey look, this guy got temp banned I'm going to rub his nose in it."
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On June 16 2014 13:33 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 13:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 KingKayzz wrote:On June 16 2014 11:52 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 04:40 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points. You don't have any opinions or points, you just made up a random number and thought that was a valuable post in some way. Why not 3 weeks suspension? Why not 5? Why not 2 months? Tell me, which is most appropriate? Reality check: Opinions are totally worthless unless you have something to back them up with, whether it be reputation, experience or preferably, some actual reasoning or evidence to support your argument. Oh you have an opinion? How very not special, every has opinions. Other things everyone has, the ability to breath. Do you want me to applaud you for breathing? HEY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID THIS THING EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO! WHOOOOOOO!!! Earn your respect by posting something interesting. Opinions are the most common thing in the world and appropriately also the least valuable. Distinguish yours from others by making it interesting and arguing your point, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram and stamping your feed when somebody calls you out on your vapid point. Oh look, starting to yell at someone to get yourself more attention because someone refuses to acknowledge you. How very original of you. Could you lay off of total biscuit? The guy is a cancer patient and if you think that Ruff's comments didn't offend him either, you're wrong. Adding to that, he is only being realistic. It'd be alot easier to lay off him if there weren't so many dickriders in this thread. You get me? PS: Being a cancer patient doesn't excuse a person of certain power and persuasion from publicly decrying a player that has already even admitted to crying as a result of his actions. Where I'M from that's called using your illness to take advantage of situations - in this case, taking advantage of your status and your medical history to make sure that Ruff has no second chances. I just found out who you are, TotalBiscuit. I used to watch your show on youtube. Dat public appereance. On your WTF IS... you seem like the kind of dude people want to invite over for a beer and a joint. But, like Michael Jordan, you're just a douchebag taking advantage of your position to berrate people and whine at the system (yeah, I also saw your whiny video about the industry.) Fuck you, man. Take a page from Nony's book. I took his post as a subtle FUCK YOU to someone. But, no one batted an eye because it was done in a professional manner. ...I'm out of this thread before I get banned again. >.< User was temp banned for this post. As usual, we see that many of the people that dislike me are the people nobody would want as fans to begin with. TB, can I ask why this post is necessary. You actually wasted a minute of your time and everyone else's to go: "Oh hey look, this guy got temp banned I'm going to rub his nose in it."
I doubt it took you a minute to read my response.
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This thread should probably be closed...
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On June 16 2014 13:33 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 13:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 KingKayzz wrote:On June 16 2014 11:52 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 04:40 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points. You don't have any opinions or points, you just made up a random number and thought that was a valuable post in some way. Why not 3 weeks suspension? Why not 5? Why not 2 months? Tell me, which is most appropriate? Reality check: Opinions are totally worthless unless you have something to back them up with, whether it be reputation, experience or preferably, some actual reasoning or evidence to support your argument. Oh you have an opinion? How very not special, every has opinions. Other things everyone has, the ability to breath. Do you want me to applaud you for breathing? HEY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID THIS THING EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO! WHOOOOOOO!!! Earn your respect by posting something interesting. Opinions are the most common thing in the world and appropriately also the least valuable. Distinguish yours from others by making it interesting and arguing your point, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram and stamping your feed when somebody calls you out on your vapid point. Oh look, starting to yell at someone to get yourself more attention because someone refuses to acknowledge you. How very original of you. Could you lay off of total biscuit? The guy is a cancer patient and if you think that Ruff's comments didn't offend him either, you're wrong. Adding to that, he is only being realistic. It'd be alot easier to lay off him if there weren't so many dickriders in this thread. You get me? PS: Being a cancer patient doesn't excuse a person of certain power and persuasion from publicly decrying a player that has already even admitted to crying as a result of his actions. Where I'M from that's called using your illness to take advantage of situations - in this case, taking advantage of your status and your medical history to make sure that Ruff has no second chances. I just found out who you are, TotalBiscuit. I used to watch your show on youtube. Dat public appereance. On your WTF IS... you seem like the kind of dude people want to invite over for a beer and a joint. But, like Michael Jordan, you're just a douchebag taking advantage of your position to berrate people and whine at the system (yeah, I also saw your whiny video about the industry.) Fuck you, man. Take a page from Nony's book. I took his post as a subtle FUCK YOU to someone. But, no one batted an eye because it was done in a professional manner. ...I'm out of this thread before I get banned again. >.< User was temp banned for this post. As usual, we see that many of the people that dislike me are the people nobody would want as fans to begin with. TB, can I ask why this post is necessary. You actually wasted a minute of your time and everyone else's to go: "Oh hey look, this guy got temp banned I'm going to rub his nose in it."
He was affected by the page curse everything here has to be atleast slightly offensive or confused so as to cause more potential drama. mods lock thread plzzzzzzz no good can come of this anymore
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On June 16 2014 13:36 DinosaurJones wrote:
This thread should probably be closed...
i've been arguing that for a few pages 
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On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along.
it's a lot harder though, when there are people who's chemistry in the brain and suffer from mental disorders (anxiety is defined as a mental disorder), it is nearly impossible to change their behavior. The most common example is a psychopath, they don't experience the same feelings we experience when we win/lose games, and it often takes focused therapy over a long period of time from a professional in order to correct that behavior.
Simply saying, there are some people who simply do not believe that what they are doing is wrong and therefore should be corrected, and that is where most of the drama comes from
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On June 16 2014 13:42 EJK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along. it's a lot harder though, when there are people who's chemistry in the brain and suffer from mental disorders (anxiety is defined as a mental disorder), it is nearly impossible to change their behavior. The most common example is a psychopath, they don't experience the same feelings we experience when we win/lose games, and it often takes focused therapy over a long period of time from a professional in order to correct that behavior. Simply saying, there are some people who simply do not believe that what they are doing is wrong and therefore should be corrected, and that is where most of the drama comes from
don't feed the fire :-/ this is already a drama bomb waiting to go off, i think ima leave now before it explodes or is defused
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On June 16 2014 13:13 puCK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. My thoughts exactly. Ruff may have his moments, but he is a good person if you get to actually know him.
Hi, NonY I agree with you. I rage when I lose sometimes and sometimes I say stupid things when people egg me on.
With that being said, I would like to point out that I was watching RuFF's stream a couple weeks back. RuFF lost to a barcode protoss a couple of times, and he just proclaimed to his stream "Oh that must be Minigun stream sniping me" and then he said basically what he said to chad in the SS to his stream.
For the record, it wasn't Minigun, Minigun wasn't watching his stream, RuFF just decided out of nowhere that this barcode must be Minigun and called him a sick boy that should go beg for more donations.
So, yeah, RuFF is a real cunt, and he deserves everything that he gets.
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This whole thing is stupid. People say things like "this chat is giving me cancer" or "you just got raped" but no one seems to get angry over that. I don't know if anyone here knows this but there are literally people getting cancer and getting raped every day but most people on the internet seem to be fine joking about it.
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In the end, its only game. No reason why people need to say terrible things at each other. If only Blizzard made a mandatory tutorial called, "Learning how to have fun 101: Losing is not reflective of your self worth, don't act like it does."
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On June 16 2014 13:50 LittleRedBoy wrote:
This whole thing is stupid. People say things like "this chat is giving me cancer" or "you just got raped" but no one seems to get angry over that. I don't know if anyone here knows this but there are literally people getting cancer and getting raped every day but most people on the internet seem to be fine joking about it.
Are you a robot? I ask because humans by default have empathy and understand things like why if you mocked a man you knew for a fact had a serious illness and used that illness against him, you'd be considered a bad person.
It's the intent behind the words, not the words themselves. The chat didn't actually give you cancer, the person did not actually get raped, but Minigun is sick and having financial troubles, Ruff knew this and decided to use that to try and hurt him.
If you cannot tell the difference then I'm sorry but you are not grown up enough to be having adult conversations. This is some basic shit. I know people who are genuinely autistic, who really shouldn't understand these kind of things when it comes to social interaction and yet they can grasp this concept.
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On June 16 2014 13:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 13:33 Wingblade wrote:On June 16 2014 13:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 KingKayzz wrote:On June 16 2014 11:52 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 04:40 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points. You don't have any opinions or points, you just made up a random number and thought that was a valuable post in some way. Why not 3 weeks suspension? Why not 5? Why not 2 months? Tell me, which is most appropriate? Reality check: Opinions are totally worthless unless you have something to back them up with, whether it be reputation, experience or preferably, some actual reasoning or evidence to support your argument. Oh you have an opinion? How very not special, every has opinions. Other things everyone has, the ability to breath. Do you want me to applaud you for breathing? HEY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU DID THIS THING EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO! WHOOOOOOO!!! Earn your respect by posting something interesting. Opinions are the most common thing in the world and appropriately also the least valuable. Distinguish yours from others by making it interesting and arguing your point, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram and stamping your feed when somebody calls you out on your vapid point. Oh look, starting to yell at someone to get yourself more attention because someone refuses to acknowledge you. How very original of you. Could you lay off of total biscuit? The guy is a cancer patient and if you think that Ruff's comments didn't offend him either, you're wrong. Adding to that, he is only being realistic. It'd be alot easier to lay off him if there weren't so many dickriders in this thread. You get me? PS: Being a cancer patient doesn't excuse a person of certain power and persuasion from publicly decrying a player that has already even admitted to crying as a result of his actions. Where I'M from that's called using your illness to take advantage of situations - in this case, taking advantage of your status and your medical history to make sure that Ruff has no second chances. I just found out who you are, TotalBiscuit. I used to watch your show on youtube. Dat public appereance. On your WTF IS... you seem like the kind of dude people want to invite over for a beer and a joint. But, like Michael Jordan, you're just a douchebag taking advantage of your position to berrate people and whine at the system (yeah, I also saw your whiny video about the industry.) Fuck you, man. Take a page from Nony's book. I took his post as a subtle FUCK YOU to someone. But, no one batted an eye because it was done in a professional manner. ...I'm out of this thread before I get banned again. >.< User was temp banned for this post. As usual, we see that many of the people that dislike me are the people nobody would want as fans to begin with. TB, can I ask why this post is necessary. You actually wasted a minute of your time and everyone else's to go: "Oh hey look, this guy got temp banned I'm going to rub his nose in it." I doubt it took you a minute to read my response.
I read that entire web of quotes. It was appropriate to kick RuFF off the team but is it that weird for someone to think it's a little extreme? I think something like not paying for him to go to MLG or something combined with a suspension would be a decent punishment as well.
EG isn't perfect but let's face it, IdrA said terrible things after every other loss and it took him openly attacking his entire fanbase for him to get kicked from EG.
It's really not that weird to think a less severe punishment could also be appropriate. People are mean and say mean things sometimes.
Like this one time I saw this guy just go crazy at this guy for having an opinion different from his and it just went on and on..
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On June 16 2014 13:55 Slipspace wrote:
I read that entire web of quotes. It was appropriate to kick RuFF off the team but is it that weird for someone to think it's a little extreme? I think something like not paying for him to go to MLG or something combined with a suspension would be a decent punishment as well.
EG isn't perfect but let's face it, IdrA said terrible things after every other loss and it took him openly attacking his entire fanbase for him to get kicked from EG.
It's really not that weird to think a less severe punishment could also be appropriate. People are mean and say mean things sometimes.
Like this one time I saw this guy just go crazy at this guy for having an opinion different from his and it just went on and on..
That's cute. There only craziness going on here is in the form of people defending Ruffs actions. The criticism of Ruff is rational and reasonable as was IvDs actions. EG kicked IdrA eventually sure, but EG was also not formed by people wanting to support players with crippling diseases (specifically cancer initially), nor do they to the best of my knowledge have a management member with Crohns. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, you can't make this shit up, Ruff could not have possibly been on a team that would have found his remarks more unjustifiable, that team does not exist. For all IdrAs faults, I don't remember him ever going for truly personal attacks.
Oh and shit like this is probably why the NA scene isn't worth a damn. Let me tell you about all the times my players have been personally insulted by other Korean pros.
That'd be never. NA "pros" though, oh yeah, most certainly. Small minds discuss people after all...
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On June 16 2014 13:26 ROOTCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:59 NonY wrote:On June 16 2014 12:30 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Also I don't understand how it's so wrong to troll them. If they're going to be dicks then they're going to get treated accordingly. Let's say there's a guy who losers his temper and says something inappropriate every 1 in 100 times he loses a game. He plays 30 games a day, loses 15 of them, so he says something bad about once a week. Now, depending on how people react and what kind of environment he's in, that rate can either go up or go down. There's no doubt in my mind that when people respond to venom with venom, that rate goes up. And it's not only that, but there are people who very clearly recognize a known rager and try to get them to rage just to laugh at their rage (and so their viewers can laugh too). In other words, there are people who purposely try to increase that rate. Let that influence happen over several years to an impressionable young kid, and you turn him into a guy who has a nasty comment at the end of nearly every loss. Personally I block almost every rager I encounter while streaming. SC2 practice is not the time to try to help a guy with a rage problem, but I do my best to not feed his rage. I play the best I can to win the game, which is the most respectful thing I can do, and I simply say gg and leave if I've lost. I think these simple policies would go a long way toward improving the community if everyone who was capable of doing them actually did them. I haven't been doing this for long, but I've done it pretty consistently for a little while now and I'm gonna keep doing it for as long as I can. There are some hopeless cases but there are also always some people who could either get worse or get better. It is absolutely ignorant to think you don't have some influence over the people you interact with and you ought to take responsibility for that influence. And with regard to the hopeless cases, I definitely think there's something immoral about abusing them just because they're incapable of contributing anything positive. If you have to cut them off then just cut them off, but don't ever abuse them. It's not like the abuse is punishment in hopes of rehabilitation... it's just eye for an eye bullshit. Or if you can't help it, and it's your own weakness that you can't help but get revenge on people who have wronged you, then at least admit it's a weakness and don't act like you're righteous. I agree, it'd be nice if people admited when they were wrong and what not and didn't create drama where there isn't drama to be had, false accusations are stupid, for example - especially when made publicly and not privately, I also think people who do that sort of thing should apologize, so that we can all get along.
=/ Man now you're really testing my patience. This is exactly what I'm talking about with people acting with bad intentions while not crossing any lines. It is obvious that you haven't written that post in an attempt to improve the community or improve any particular situation or relationship or anything. You saw an opportunity to prod at me and you took it. That's it.
You offer nothing new, just more of the "isn't it crazy what nony is saying now? what a crazy and absurd guy let's all laugh at his ridiculous ideas" without actually saying anything of substance. I think it's absurd that you guys don't know how to operate b.net's friends list and you think it's absurd that I think you and/or Destiny would mess with me like that. I don't even know why you'd want an apology from me since you seem to revel in the conflict. No ROOT fan ceased being a ROOT fan because of my accusation, instead I got added to a list of players they like to heckle, following your lead.
If you really want to improve the situation, then just behave professionally. Your little stunt (and I do mean little -- I'm not making a big deal out of it) joining my game lobby vs vibe and writing a message is just the kind of thing that doesn't help anything at all. And now you poke your nose in here, not to contribute to the discussion about what's best for the community, but to poke at me when I just got finished saying how worthless and despicable such pokes are. Just drop it and behave professionally.
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On June 16 2014 13:50 LittleRedBoy wrote:
This whole thing is stupid. People say things like "this chat is giving me cancer" or "you just got raped" but no one seems to get angry over that. I don't know if anyone here knows this but there are literally people getting cancer and getting raped every day but most people on the internet seem to be fine joking about it.
I in no way condone the use of those words, but how can you make someone accountable for that sort of language? I hate Twitch chat, for the most part, because most of the people who take part in it do use that sort of language. In a sense, it has become a part of gamer lingo, which is pretty sad in itself.
But if you are going to talk about someone who is in a prominent position, such as a popular streamer like RuFF, or IdrA back in the day, or even Destiny now, they did get told off for saying things like that. Were you here when there was a gigantic shitstorm over Destiny calling someone a gook? He was released from Quantic, and also was pulled from a casting gig he was supposed to do. It was not just that isolated incident either, it was from all the things he says while streaming. Destiny does not think the word rape is offensive. He says so. And if you think it is offensive, you should not watch his stream, because he is not going to cater to that.
And now that he has no team or sponsors anymore and makes his income solely from streaming, he does not have to answer to anyone, so who can someone complain to if they find him offensive?
What about when Orb called someone a nigger? He was fired from his job casting the EG Masters Cup.
But if some random person does it, what can you do? Say that their language offends you? They will laugh it off, and probably do it even more.
Someone in a position of prominence is more likely to be punished, because like it or not, they have to be held to a higher standard and walk on eggshells.
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