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Bisutopia19366 Posts
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just think my four previous points are some heavy factors.
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Most terrans have excellent offrace, Taeja had 63% winrate on KR GM with toss, jjakji reached EU high masters with toss in less than 50 games (although some might consider EU masters bad for a Code S player). aLive beat Jaedong 3-0 with Zerg (JD played terran) on stream. ForGG also offraces sometimes and has decent winrate in EU GM
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On May 29 2014 12:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just thing my four previous points are some heavy factors.
boom, /thread
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote:
Like most of you, I joined TL at the tailend of the Broodwars era and at the beginning of the SC2 explosion. I was not keenly interested in Broodwars because I knew about the game through SC2, which is also the only version I play.
However, my curiosity led me to watch a few Broodwars games and know about its history and champions. One things struck me! Flash. He was unstoppable. He was superb. He was god. Many people (haters) credit it to his race, the Terran, which they say was responsible for most of the bonjwas (I dont know how to translate this, but looking at the history, this is used to refer to players who are dominant). But the more I watch Flash, the more I realize it is not the race, but really his style of play. He is a perfectionist. His actions are precise. He uses his tanks as an impenetrable wall. He knows how to mindgame his enemies, attacking in most creative and unexpected ways. I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy. He will also not hesitate to be cautious and defend with a battery of tanks until he is ready to move out, all for the slightest advantage. He is creative and bold.
Now, this is the reason why Flash has so far failed to succeed in SC2. His style of play simply does not allow it. Terran is not exactly the strong defense-heavy race that it was in Broodwars. It is now weaker but with a lot more options. What hinders Flash now is the race's inability to be defensive when necessary, like Flash did with tanks and depots and Battlecruisers, and move out on strategic points to take advantage of mistakes made by the opponent. Flash cannot anymore rely on the strength of the tanks to leapfrog and strangle the enemy to death. The other races in SC2 have a lot of options to deal with this, and the general speed of SC2 itself does not permit it.
With the latest patch, If Flash played zerg, I think he would be able to optimize his skills and creativity with the Frenzy Broodlord, Ultralisk, and of course, the Swarm Host. I think zerg now has the features of what the terran race was in Broodwars.
Thanks for reading. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why Flash has so far struggled in SC2. I am reviewing the vods of other Broodwars players as well, and I will write about them in the future.
THIS POST IS JUST GARBAGE. ElectronicVoyeur don't do this crap. Its a feeling post without statistics. You are blatently wrong. First off saying that he struggles, that's a lie. He does great, particularly in TvZ for which he was 7 wins 2 losses. In 2014, Flash was 15 wins, 8 losses overall. + Show Spoiler +
YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY WATCH HIS GAMES.
I'll admit that he just like nearly every other terran does struggle quite a bit vs toss. (but terran just doesn't have a great transition into the late late game vs toss.) But where do you get off with this post saying that he's not nearly as good and he'd be better as zerg because you feel that zerg is op. Get over yourself.
He plays week in and out vs the very best in proleague and is still one of the best players hands down. He plays bio and mech. He has many different tricks. Flash has always been known for his execution. He's not a player like Bbyong who will go 2 base bc. (ie vs sleep) or does hellbat marine pushes (ie vs soulkey) He is still one of the most dominant players he's creative and still mind games his enemies.
You are an idiot, who doesn't look at statistics and doesn't watch the actual games. Why would you change races to a race that you beat 7-2 in 2014?
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Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
On May 29 2014 12:24 Heinsenzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just thing my four previous points are some heavy factors. boom, /thread
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If Flash plays Protoss, he will have fun in PvP because it's just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO different from TvT (and yes, I mean BW TvT)
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On May 29 2014 08:33 Thieving Magpie wrote:
If Flash played Zerg he'd actually have proper siege tanks in the swarm host.
Fun fact: Flash started as a zerg player and Jaedong as a terran player. When they practiced against each other, they would offrace ZvT which is why both their ZvT matchups were godlike to watch
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On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote: I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy.
Flash vs Zero on polaris
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 29 2014 13:02 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:24 Heinsenzerg wrote:On May 29 2014 12:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just thing my four previous points are some heavy factors. boom, /thread
don't empty quote like that
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On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote:
Like most of you, I joined TL at the tailend of the Broodwars era and at the beginning of the SC2 explosion. I was not keenly interested in Broodwars because I knew about the game through SC2, which is also the only version I play.
However, my curiosity led me to watch a few Broodwars games and know about its history and champions. One things struck me! Flash. He was unstoppable. He was superb. He was god. Many people (haters) credit it to his race, the Terran, which they say was responsible for most of the bonjwas (I dont know how to translate this, but looking at the history, this is used to refer to players who are dominant). But the more I watch Flash, the more I realize it is not the race, but really his style of play. He is a perfectionist. His actions are precise. He uses his tanks as an impenetrable wall. He knows how to mindgame his enemies, attacking in most creative and unexpected ways. I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy. He will also not hesitate to be cautious and defend with a battery of tanks until he is ready to move out, all for the slightest advantage. He is creative and bold.
Now, this is the reason why Flash has so far failed to succeed in SC2. His style of play simply does not allow it. Terran is not exactly the strong defense-heavy race that it was in Broodwars. It is now weaker but with a lot more options. What hinders Flash now is the race's inability to be defensive when necessary, like Flash did with tanks and depots and Battlecruisers, and move out on strategic points to take advantage of mistakes made by the opponent. Flash cannot anymore rely on the strength of the tanks to leapfrog and strangle the enemy to death. The other races in SC2 have a lot of options to deal with this, and the general speed of SC2 itself does not permit it.
With the latest patch, If Flash played zerg, I think he would be able to optimize his skills and creativity with the Frenzy Broodlord, Ultralisk, and of course, the Swarm Host. I think zerg now has the features of what the terran race was in Broodwars.
Thanks for reading. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why Flash has so far struggled in SC2. I am reviewing the vods of other Broodwars players as well, and I will write about them in the future.
Sure Flash is not the ultimate weapon anymore.
But he could very well be top 3 (after maru and innovation), and he is definitely among the top 5 Terrans (after bbyong and supernova).
It's just that Terran is not among the top race.
Imagine a world where only top 2 protoss/zergs would be considered successful.
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On May 29 2014 08:58 skylarr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On May 29 2014 08:37 skylarr wrote:
To be honest I think the format of tournaments and event contribute to Flash's "struggles". In BW, the only games he played were televised, OSL, MSL, and proleague. These matches lets you prepare for a specific opponent days before hand. Flash is a smart player and plans accordingly depending on his opponents. However in SC2, tournaments outside of GSL and proleague are quick, almost pick-up games where you play many opponents in one day... which isn't what Flash is used to for 7+ years. If you look at his results in proleague and GSL, he is one of the top players in proleague and his GSL record is decent. I don't think Flash is "falling off" of any sort, it's nothing more than just the format of tournaments that favours flash's playstyle.
Well, when you can't hit more than Ro16 in GSL being BW God, you know that you're probably doing something wrong, considering that Flash carried half-dead KT Rolster last season in hybrid Proleague and he's keeping doing it now while his lieutenant-Code S champion aren't bored by winning anywhere but playoffs finals against SKT T1. And it's not like Flash is playing tons of foreign tournaments. But well, dropping there in early rounds isn't good as well and it's what happened after HotS release. Look at Stork though. Flash at least had his moments of success in SC2 and Stork was struggling for almost 3 years until he started winning now. So, nothing is lost for Flashu. On May 29 2014 08:49 TaShadan wrote:
Flash does not love sc2 like he loved bw. He just plays it because he gets the money. Thats why he is not as strong as in bw. It's too ignorant. I'm not a Flash fan, but fans just love him, listen to crowd in SPL when Lee Young Ho is sitting in the booth. And those BW legends appreciate their fans. Theres also an unnecessary stigma that Flash must be a Bonjwa in SC2. Had he been a new player that no one knew about, he would be a "great player". But because he is Flash, no one appreciates how he can consistently place ro16. Again, SC2 is a different day and game than bw, give it some time before judging his SC2 skillsets. I didn't say Flash was the same person he was in BW, but he's certainly isn't struggling
Spot on.
Just because that some players have had huge succes earlier in their career doesn't mean that they A) Should ROFLSTOMP just because of earlier results. B) That he can't still (slowly but surely ) get better and better with time. C) That he isn't doing good (or atleast getting better)
It's normal for us to judge a player based on our experiences and memories with them in the past. But that doesn't translate to: that he SHOULD be the best, or that - because he isn't doing "good" (that statement is lol in inself...) that he has lost his passion, hates the game, will never get good etc etc.
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It's no surprise that Flash's best matchup is TvZ. SC2 and BW TvZ are probably the most similar among all the matchups. And Flash had a very aggressive, timing oriented TvZ play back in BW. But his TvT and TvP skills in BW are pretty worthless in SC2, as passive positional play gets you killed in SC2. Especially in TvP.
Flash as a player is just designed to play protoss. If Flash played protoss, he'd be considered an universal villain by the SC2 community for playing either the most boring, drawn out, 3-base macro into deathball into win type of play. Or he'd just hit precise timing windows with lame immortal all-ins or blink stalker all-ins and people would just scream imba even more than they do now.
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On May 29 2014 15:58 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote:
Like most of you, I joined TL at the tailend of the Broodwars era and at the beginning of the SC2 explosion. I was not keenly interested in Broodwars because I knew about the game through SC2, which is also the only version I play.
However, my curiosity led me to watch a few Broodwars games and know about its history and champions. One things struck me! Flash. He was unstoppable. He was superb. He was god. Many people (haters) credit it to his race, the Terran, which they say was responsible for most of the bonjwas (I dont know how to translate this, but looking at the history, this is used to refer to players who are dominant). But the more I watch Flash, the more I realize it is not the race, but really his style of play. He is a perfectionist. His actions are precise. He uses his tanks as an impenetrable wall. He knows how to mindgame his enemies, attacking in most creative and unexpected ways. I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy. He will also not hesitate to be cautious and defend with a battery of tanks until he is ready to move out, all for the slightest advantage. He is creative and bold.
Now, this is the reason why Flash has so far failed to succeed in SC2. His style of play simply does not allow it. Terran is not exactly the strong defense-heavy race that it was in Broodwars. It is now weaker but with a lot more options. What hinders Flash now is the race's inability to be defensive when necessary, like Flash did with tanks and depots and Battlecruisers, and move out on strategic points to take advantage of mistakes made by the opponent. Flash cannot anymore rely on the strength of the tanks to leapfrog and strangle the enemy to death. The other races in SC2 have a lot of options to deal with this, and the general speed of SC2 itself does not permit it.
With the latest patch, If Flash played zerg, I think he would be able to optimize his skills and creativity with the Frenzy Broodlord, Ultralisk, and of course, the Swarm Host. I think zerg now has the features of what the terran race was in Broodwars.
Thanks for reading. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why Flash has so far struggled in SC2. I am reviewing the vods of other Broodwars players as well, and I will write about them in the future. Sure Flash is not the ultimate weapon anymore. But he could very well be top 3 (after maru and innovation), and he is definitely among the top 5 Terrans (after bbyong and supernova). It's just that Terran is not among the top race. Imagine a world where only top 2 protoss/zergs would be considered successful.
Bomber, Polt, Taeja, MMA are better than Flash.
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On May 29 2014 16:20 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 15:58 SiroKO wrote:On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote:
Like most of you, I joined TL at the tailend of the Broodwars era and at the beginning of the SC2 explosion. I was not keenly interested in Broodwars because I knew about the game through SC2, which is also the only version I play.
However, my curiosity led me to watch a few Broodwars games and know about its history and champions. One things struck me! Flash. He was unstoppable. He was superb. He was god. Many people (haters) credit it to his race, the Terran, which they say was responsible for most of the bonjwas (I dont know how to translate this, but looking at the history, this is used to refer to players who are dominant). But the more I watch Flash, the more I realize it is not the race, but really his style of play. He is a perfectionist. His actions are precise. He uses his tanks as an impenetrable wall. He knows how to mindgame his enemies, attacking in most creative and unexpected ways. I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy. He will also not hesitate to be cautious and defend with a battery of tanks until he is ready to move out, all for the slightest advantage. He is creative and bold.
Now, this is the reason why Flash has so far failed to succeed in SC2. His style of play simply does not allow it. Terran is not exactly the strong defense-heavy race that it was in Broodwars. It is now weaker but with a lot more options. What hinders Flash now is the race's inability to be defensive when necessary, like Flash did with tanks and depots and Battlecruisers, and move out on strategic points to take advantage of mistakes made by the opponent. Flash cannot anymore rely on the strength of the tanks to leapfrog and strangle the enemy to death. The other races in SC2 have a lot of options to deal with this, and the general speed of SC2 itself does not permit it.
With the latest patch, If Flash played zerg, I think he would be able to optimize his skills and creativity with the Frenzy Broodlord, Ultralisk, and of course, the Swarm Host. I think zerg now has the features of what the terran race was in Broodwars.
Thanks for reading. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why Flash has so far struggled in SC2. I am reviewing the vods of other Broodwars players as well, and I will write about them in the future. Sure Flash is not the ultimate weapon anymore. But he could very well be top 3 (after maru and innovation), and he is definitely among the top 5 Terrans (after bbyong and supernova). It's just that Terran is not among the top race. Imagine a world where only top 2 protoss/zergs would be considered successful. Bomber, Polt, Taeja, MMA are better than Flash.
Based on what ? (Old) Foreign tournament performances ?
I would be interested to see how they perform consistently in ProLeague or WCS Korea.
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Time to grab some popcorn, a new Flash-circlejerk thread has come to town.
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On May 29 2014 15:44 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 13:02 Seeker wrote:On May 29 2014 12:24 Heinsenzerg wrote:On May 29 2014 12:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just thing my four previous points are some heavy factors. boom, /thread don't empty quote like that
Is that worth of report?
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On May 29 2014 16:38 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 16:20 imrusty269 wrote:On May 29 2014 15:58 SiroKO wrote:On May 29 2014 08:25 electronic voyeur wrote:
Like most of you, I joined TL at the tailend of the Broodwars era and at the beginning of the SC2 explosion. I was not keenly interested in Broodwars because I knew about the game through SC2, which is also the only version I play.
However, my curiosity led me to watch a few Broodwars games and know about its history and champions. One things struck me! Flash. He was unstoppable. He was superb. He was god. Many people (haters) credit it to his race, the Terran, which they say was responsible for most of the bonjwas (I dont know how to translate this, but looking at the history, this is used to refer to players who are dominant). But the more I watch Flash, the more I realize it is not the race, but really his style of play. He is a perfectionist. His actions are precise. He uses his tanks as an impenetrable wall. He knows how to mindgame his enemies, attacking in most creative and unexpected ways. I don't recall exactly, but I remember it is almost a thing of lore among Broodwars fans that Flash played one game building hundreds of turrets just to nullify an enemy. He will also not hesitate to be cautious and defend with a battery of tanks until he is ready to move out, all for the slightest advantage. He is creative and bold.
Now, this is the reason why Flash has so far failed to succeed in SC2. His style of play simply does not allow it. Terran is not exactly the strong defense-heavy race that it was in Broodwars. It is now weaker but with a lot more options. What hinders Flash now is the race's inability to be defensive when necessary, like Flash did with tanks and depots and Battlecruisers, and move out on strategic points to take advantage of mistakes made by the opponent. Flash cannot anymore rely on the strength of the tanks to leapfrog and strangle the enemy to death. The other races in SC2 have a lot of options to deal with this, and the general speed of SC2 itself does not permit it.
With the latest patch, If Flash played zerg, I think he would be able to optimize his skills and creativity with the Frenzy Broodlord, Ultralisk, and of course, the Swarm Host. I think zerg now has the features of what the terran race was in Broodwars.
Thanks for reading. I just wanted to share my thoughts on why Flash has so far struggled in SC2. I am reviewing the vods of other Broodwars players as well, and I will write about them in the future. Sure Flash is not the ultimate weapon anymore. But he could very well be top 3 (after maru and innovation), and he is definitely among the top 5 Terrans (after bbyong and supernova). It's just that Terran is not among the top race. Imagine a world where only top 2 protoss/zergs would be considered successful. Bomber, Polt, Taeja, MMA are better than Flash. Based on what ? (Old) Foreign tournament performances ? I would be interested to see how they perform consistently in ProLeague or WCS Korea.
We can't compare them directly, but there is plenty evidence.
Taeja dominated Innovation, Life, and Rain, some of the best players in Korea.
Polt is miles better than Flash in TvP and probably better in TvT as well. I couldn't imagine Polt losing to YongHwa and Bravo in code A.
Bomber had much better performance during his time in Korea and his skill hasn't declined or anything.
MMA is more questionable, but he 2-0 Flash last time they met, and he looks pretty solid recently still.
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On May 29 2014 16:43 Big J wrote:
Time to grab some popcorn, a new Flash-circlejerk thread has come to town.
I've already unzipped my pants ready to circle with the rest of the fanboys 
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On May 29 2014 16:54 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 15:44 opterown wrote:On May 29 2014 13:02 Seeker wrote:On May 29 2014 12:24 Heinsenzerg wrote:On May 29 2014 12:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Here's how I see it:
1. Flash didn't become the best at Brood War over night. In fact it took years from when he first picked up Brood War to even become recognized as a top level player. SC2, as I view it, is a completely different game. I expect it to take Flash several years to master too.
2. Flash is playing SC2 in an era were the game is not stable. He joined while WoL was around. HoTS has continued to recieve patches. As someone as brilliant as him, I also believe time working with a no longer patched/upgraded game will make a huge difference. When he played Brood War there were no more patches and a lot of the game had been discovered.
3. SC2 is not even close to Brood War in strategy. All the timings are completely different. Flash, the god of strategy in Brood War, has to forget more habits from SC1 then anyone out there in order to play his best at SC2. These are habit he has been developing 14 hours a day every day for the 6 years before the switch.
4. Flash came into the Brood War scene as someone unknown building up from the bottom. In order to defeat his opponents he would cheese often or go for strong yet simple all-ins to beat better opponents. Flash in SC2 is trying to be the whole package. He wants to play like he did at the end of Brood War with large macro and economic builds. I believe he has lost the vision he had when he first started Brood War. That was, defeat opponents no matter what over playing the macro style game against opponents who mastered it already.
Flash went undefeated in proleague during the month of April. He's still very talented. I don't doubt that if he enjoys playing the game, that he will always remain at the top. I just thing my four previous points are some heavy factors. boom, /thread don't empty quote like that Is that worth of report? --- Was there replay function in bw?
normally it would be, yes, but seeker is staff so he gets away with a bit more
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