• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:15
CET 10:15
KST 18:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage14Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll
Strategy
Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 15552 users

May 23 Balance Update: Hellions, Hellbats and Brood Lords

Forum Index > SC2 General
168 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
May 23 2014 20:28 GMT
#1
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/14216442/heart-of-the-swarm-balance-update-may-23-2014-5-23-2014

Over the past few weeks, we’ve updated our Balance Test Map with different changes aimed at addressing Terran and Zerg balance concerns. After gathering and reviewing feedback on these changes, we’re ready to move forward with a new balance update. You can expect to see the following adjustments applied to Heart of the Swarm multiplayer today.

Terran
  • Removed Transformation Servos upgrade
  • Changed Hellion/Hellbat transform requirement to Armory

Zerg
  • Brood Lord gains the Frenzied ability
  • Frenzied is changed to also be immune to movement altering abilities

If you're interested in the StarCraft II Balance Team's reasoning behind each change, you can check out David Kim's recent forum posts on both the Terran and Zerg changes.

Thank you very much for all of your feedback on the proposed balance changes. Your thoughts and playtesting helped shape this update, and we hope you’ll continue to participate in future balance testing.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
May 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#2
Innovation to win GSL? Yes please!!!
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
LeimoC
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany9 Posts
May 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#3
what is the "Frenzied ability"??
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
May 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#4
Nice! Just in time for Maru and Innovation to rock code S next round.
why?
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#5
Yay! A genuinely good, positive update!
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
May 23 2014 20:32 GMT
#6
Awesome!
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
[MD]Frostbite
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada292 Posts
May 23 2014 20:32 GMT
#7
On May 24 2014 05:31 LeimoC wrote:
what is the "Frenzied ability"??


Ability from the Ultralisk. Fungal doesn't anchor them in place and now they can't be abducted.
White-Ra, the godfather Protoss
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:37:31
May 23 2014 20:34 GMT
#8
On May 24 2014 05:31 LeimoC wrote:
what is the "Frenzied ability"??


It's a "this unit doesn't give a fuck" ability that means Broodlords and Ultra's ignore movement altering spells. (concussive, abduct, fungal, forecefield, timewarp). Don't get why they can't give the mothership this, probably because an angry mothership doesn't make sense lorewise rofl.
I think esports is pretty nice.
TerranosaurusWrecks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada187 Posts
May 23 2014 20:35 GMT
#9
The transformation buff is probably going to make a bunch of timings possible where u mass hellions and get like 1 thor out and just roll zergs who go for roaches
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Like you can train a n00b, but they will just be a trained n00b."
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2958 Posts
May 23 2014 20:36 GMT
#10
On May 24 2014 05:34 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:31 LeimoC wrote:
what is the "Frenzied ability"??


It's a "this unit doesn't give a fuck" ability that basically makes Broodlords and Ultra's ignore movement altering spells. (concussive, abduct, fungal, forecefield). Don't get why they can't give the mothership this, probably because an angry mothership doesn't make sense lorewise rofl.


Why doesn't this abilty affect Time Warp btw? Never got that one :-?
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
May 23 2014 20:38 GMT
#11
IMO it makes more sense to make the traits of Frenzy applied to all Massive units, and then eliminate the Massive tag from units like Collosi/etc.

Seems like a cleaner fix IMO
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
DeathDyingDoomKiller
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada91 Posts
May 23 2014 20:38 GMT
#12
I don't get this part, is it worded incorrectly?

Terran
Removed Transformation Servos upgrade
Changed Hellion/Hellbat transform requirement to Armory

It looks to me like the first statement was redundant, someone help me :C
Join the League of Evil. We have Murder, Evil, Blood, Grim Reaping, Killing, Death, Dying, Doom, Black, Dark Red, John Boehner, Reaper, Slaughter, and Kill-Death.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:41:12
May 23 2014 20:39 GMT
#13
On May 24 2014 05:38 GinDo wrote:
IMO it makes more sense to make the traits of Frenzy applied to all Massive units, and then eliminate the Massive tag from units like Collosi/etc.

Seems like a cleaner fix IMO


That would make lots of Protoss immune to Fungal Growth which shouldn't be immune to it, imo.
The Protoss death ball would basically just keep on running, even with GOOD FUNGAL GROWTH!
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
May 23 2014 20:41 GMT
#14
TvT finals confirmed
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
May 23 2014 20:41 GMT
#15
On May 24 2014 05:38 DeathDyingDoomKiller wrote:
I don't get this part, is it worded incorrectly?

Terran
Removed Transformation Servos upgrade
Changed Hellion/Hellbat transform requirement to Armory

It looks to me like the first statement was redundant, someone help me :C


B4 you could build Helbats w/o researching Trans Servos if you had an armory, but couldn't transform them.
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:43:22
May 23 2014 20:43 GMT
#16
On May 24 2014 05:39 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:38 GinDo wrote:
IMO it makes more sense to make the traits of Frenzy applied to all Massive units, and then eliminate the Massive tag from units like Collosi/etc.

Seems like a cleaner fix IMO


That would make lots of Protoss immune to Fungal Growth which shouldn't be immune to it, imo.
The Protoss death ball would basically just keep on running, even with GOOD FUNGAL GROWTH!


No I'm saying that you make Massive = Frenzy

And then remove Massive tags from collosi and other units.

Chillax
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 23 2014 20:44 GMT
#17
On May 24 2014 05:36 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:34 Saechiis wrote:
On May 24 2014 05:31 LeimoC wrote:
what is the "Frenzied ability"??


It's a "this unit doesn't give a fuck" ability that basically makes Broodlords and Ultra's ignore movement altering spells. (concussive, abduct, fungal, forecefield). Don't get why they can't give the mothership this, probably because an angry mothership doesn't make sense lorewise rofl.


Why doesn't this abilty affect Time Warp btw? Never got that one :-?

It does? Pretty sure that Ultras aren't slowed at all in the Time Warp. Reason why they might be slower in it is because of Lings and other units being slower and they keep slowing down Ultras since they can't just walk over them.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
May 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#18
Hmm could we maybe update the OP or something to include what all the "movement altering abilities" are?
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:46:44
May 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#19
On May 24 2014 05:36 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:34 Saechiis wrote:
On May 24 2014 05:31 LeimoC wrote:
what is the "Frenzied ability"??


It's a "this unit doesn't give a fuck" ability that basically makes Broodlords and Ultra's ignore movement altering spells. (concussive, abduct, fungal, forecefield). Don't get why they can't give the mothership this, probably because an angry mothership doesn't make sense lorewise rofl.


Why doesn't this abilty affect Time Warp btw? Never got that one :-?

Time Warp never affected ultralisk speed

Hmm could we maybe update the OP or something to include what all the "movement altering abilities" are?

Concussive slow, Fungal stun, Time Warp slow, Force Field, Abducts.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 20:46:31
May 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#20
On May 24 2014 05:38 DeathDyingDoomKiller wrote:
I don't get this part, is it worded incorrectly?

Terran
Removed Transformation Servos upgrade
Changed Hellion/Hellbat transform requirement to Armory

It looks to me like the first statement was redundant, someone help me :C

Nope, you need to research an upgrade for Hellions so they could change forms, now you unlock it when you build an Armory, you don't need upgrade anymore.

On May 24 2014 05:45 Holdenintherye wrote:
Hmm could we maybe update the OP or something to include what all the "movement altering abilities" are?

Just Abduct, that is the only spell so far.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech173
OGKoka 117
Lowko97
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1477
Jaedong 169
Larva 107
Barracks 93
Killer 80
EffOrt 56
910 30
Hm[arnc] 20
Shine 15
Noble 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever265
League of Legends
JimRising 458
Reynor65
Counter-Strike
fl0m3669
olofmeister776
shoxiejesuss275
Other Games
summit1g11529
ceh9481
Mew2King156
crisheroes127
NeuroSwarm88
XaKoH 83
KnowMe71
ViBE49
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2240
League of Legends
• Stunt783
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
45m
KCM Race Survival
45m
WardiTV Invitational
2h 45m
Lambo vs Shameless
Rogue vs uThermal
Percival vs YoungYakov
TBD vs GgMaChine
OSC
6h 45m
OSC
13h 45m
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
1d 2h
OSC
1d 4h
OSC
1d 14h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
3 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-11
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.