EPTMay 23 Balance Update: Hellions, Hellbats and Brood Lords…
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
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GTPGlitch
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On May 27 2014 12:06 FabledIntegral wrote: Widow mine buff vs. shields was huge. Terran was also dominating the beginning of HOTS so... Code S 2013 s1. Ro32, 7 Protoss, 11 Terran, 14 Zerg. Ro16, 3 Protoss, 6 Terran, 7 Zerg. Ro8, 2 Protoss, 2 Terran, 4 Zerg. Ro4, 1 Protoss, 1 Terran, 2 Zerg. Ro2, 1 Terran, 1 Zerg. Zerg won. If that's "Terran domination," I'm not sure the English language is ready for what the Protoss and Zerg did to Terrans in all three subsequent seasons. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 27 2014 15:16 pure.Wasted wrote: Code S 2013 s1. Ro32, 7 Protoss, 11 Terran, 14 Zerg. Ro16, 3 Protoss, 6 Terran, 7 Zerg. Ro8, 2 Protoss, 2 Terran, 4 Zerg. Ro4, 1 Protoss, 1 Terran, 2 Zerg. Ro2, 1 Terran, 1 Zerg. Zerg won. If that's "Terran domination," I'm not sure the English language is ready for what the Protoss and Zerg did to Terrans in all three subsequent seasons. Technically it was Code S Season 2 of 2013, WCS Season 1. Code S Season 1 of 2013 was still WoL.  Also WCS Season 2 was actually quite better for Terran than Season 1: P: 10 T:8 Z:14 P:4 T: 7 Z:5 P:2 T:4 Z:2 P:1 T:3 P:1 T:1 Winner: Maru That on its own (pretty much the distribution that Zerg had at the end of WoL) in only one tournament doesn't mean shit. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On May 27 2014 15:26 Big J wrote: Technically it was Code S Season 2 of 2013, WCS Season 1. Code S Season 1 of 2013 was still WoL. Also WCS Season 2 was actually quite better for Terran than Season 1: P: 10 T:8 Z:14 P:4 T: 7 Z:5 P:2 T:4 Z:2 P:1 T:3 P:1 T:1 Winner: Maru That on its own (pretty much the distribution that Zerg had at the end of WoL) in only one tournament doesn't mean shit. Sorry, you're right, I still get a little confused between the denominations. Especially GSL/OSL throws me off. The point is, Zerg has dominated every single Code S throughout HOTS, and while Terran did marginally better than Protoss in the first two Code S of HOTS, they've done increasingly worse with every subsequent one. Terran hasn't dominated anything anywhere ever since like 2012. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 27 2014 15:42 pure.Wasted wrote: Sorry, you're right, I still get a little confused between the denominations. Especially GSL/OSL throws me off. The point is, Zerg has dominated every single Code S throughout HOTS, and while Terran did marginally better than Protoss in the first two Code S of HOTS, they've done increasingly worse with every subsequent one. Terran hasn't dominated anything anywhere ever since like 2012. Come one, you either can say that Zerg has dominated all Code S (and stretch that word a lot with Z winning 1 out of 3 Code S in HotS) and then also need to admit that Terran made the first 4 consecutive Korean finals of HotS and won all of them apart from WCS S1 (WCS S1 Globals, WCS S2, WCS S2 Globals) and looked pretty dominating at that time. (also took 4/6 foreign WCS finals; Polt and Taeja had 5 Premier tournament wins each in 2013 which was far more than any P or Z achieved) Or you can say that neither of those two races has been dominating, since Terran did clearly better in 2013 (especially in the first half year after HotS came out) and you dismiss that one as "no domination". | ||
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einduden
Germany13 Posts
I think the Patch 4 BL´s is not a ZvZ Buff, it is an "Anti-Stephano-Buff" :p, because he just overdid it with the SH. Actually i don´t like SH´s either, but it is the only way do deal with Toss Lategamedeathballs or Mech. I´d like to see them replaced by an Antiairunit, or completely redesigned. The Hellbatbuff i think might be a bit too much 4 the TvZ earlygame, because i see tons of Hellbat Marauder Medivac timings incoming, that are quite hard to defend with Z T1 Units, because the Hardcounter 4 Lings is Hellbats, the Hardcounter 4 Roaches is Marauders. Also is the Hellbat a bit too strong imo 4 a Untis that only costs Minerals. How about doing the Buff, but also changing the Cost of Hellions/Hellbats to 75/25 Like Roaches. T´s don´t need their Gas anyway or am I wrong there? Last but not least: The Mappool I really don´t think that the Mappool is the Problem in TvZ. It is just that we Zergs had to learn how to Play on small maps with a lot of chokepoints and ramps (Best example is Whirlwind or Heavy Rain) and now the T´s and P´s from this World have to learn how to play on Maps that have wide open space. I see no imbalance there. Greetz | ||
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SC2Labs
Ireland6 Posts
As said on the Battle.net Forums, there are no plans to redesign this unit as a whole since its impact on the gameplay would be too severe. I really agree with this point but contradictory I really do not like the unit, not due to the fact that it is a good counter to Terran Mech but since its design very often seems to stretch games. That is of course my sole (Terran) believe:-( | ||
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ETisME
12498 Posts
Swarmhost and muta style with viper grab is pretty awesome | ||
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