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NASL were over $1.6 million in debt - Page 3

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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
May 22 2014 23:34 GMT
#41
And again people should recognize what a great job the ESL has been doing for years and years!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2014 23:43 GMT
#42
Time to unban that guy that said NASL wasn't going to pay out NASL S4 prizemoney like 18 months ago
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 23:54:18
May 22 2014 23:48 GMT
#43
On May 23 2014 08:43 Dodgin wrote:
Time to unban that guy that said NASL wasn't going to pay out NASL S4 prizemoney like 18 months ago


who me?

i only noted that they promised $400,000 over 3 seasons at the very start..
and then they delivered $300,000 over 3 season.

$300,000 over 3 seasons is still good, but they did promise more.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2014 23:55 GMT
#44
On May 23 2014 08:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 08:43 Dodgin wrote:
Time to unban that guy that said NASL wasn't going to pay out NASL S4 prizemoney like 18 months ago


who me?

i only noted that they promised $400,000 over 3 seasons at the very start..
and then they delivered $300,000 over 3 season.

$300,000 over 3 seasons is still good, but they did promise more.


yes

they should give you a forum star
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 23:57:26
May 22 2014 23:57 GMT
#45
On May 23 2014 08:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 08:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On May 23 2014 08:43 Dodgin wrote:
Time to unban that guy that said NASL wasn't going to pay out NASL S4 prizemoney like 18 months ago


who me?

i only noted that they promised $400,000 over 3 seasons at the very start..
and then they delivered $300,000 over 3 season.

$300,000 over 3 seasons is still good, but they did promise more.


yes

they should give you a forum star


you could sense the sleaze and slime coming from this chicken outfit a mile away.

that said, they still did some good stuff.
at least, they gave Toronto a chance, when no one else would.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
May 22 2014 23:58 GMT
#46
Wow. This is actually way more money than I anticipated.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 23 2014 00:07 GMT
#47
has Russell Pfister or w/e ever said anything since they shut down?
yo
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 23 2014 00:21 GMT
#48
NASL could have been great but they fucked it up themselves. They had all the potential but took too long to deliver.
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
May 23 2014 00:39 GMT
#49
I don't know much about law. Is it possible that anyone who was involved is not allowed to comment for legal reasons?
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
May 23 2014 00:43 GMT
#50
Well that's really unfortunate to hear Thats a pretty big debt, but actually lower than what I was expecting from them.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
May 23 2014 00:49 GMT
#51
On May 23 2014 09:39 HackBenjamin wrote:
I don't know much about law. Is it possible that anyone who was involved is not allowed to comment for legal reasons?


Quite possible, although they might be keeping whatever info they have because they are still digging up whatever they need/have to make a statement.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
May 23 2014 01:03 GMT
#52
1.6mil? holy crap... maybe steam should contribute some of that 10mil estimate to help the sc2 community lol
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
May 23 2014 01:30 GMT
#53
I am not surprised.

They (and many others) seem to try and put on too much with their events. We don't need some ex-PlayBoy bunny working out with the casters, nor any of the just way over the top production. Show good games and have decent casters; that's all we need/want. I am always shocked at how many tournaments blow through tons and tons of games (qualifiers / early rounds), and then put on extra non-SC2 related content.
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 02:17:42
May 23 2014 02:15 GMT
#54
I must say that the numbers with that amount of debt have me appalled... I thought they simply ran out of money and said, "We have to close doors now." I never thought they would have that much overhead.

It seems the situation is more complicated than I had initially anticipated. NASL season 1 2 and 3 were amazing to watch.

On May 23 2014 09:21 Derez wrote:
NASL could have been great but they fucked it up themselves. They had all the potential but took too long to deliver.


This. Is pretty true. In the gaming industry, I remember Cliffy B (Game designer behind Gears of War once said something along the lines of, "Your most important skill is meeting deadlines. If you can't do this, then all of your other skills are useless."

I imagine the eSports world isn't that much different.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
kc2siq
Profile Joined April 2012
United States319 Posts
May 23 2014 02:24 GMT
#55
I find it weird that there are so many "I expected more debt or I'm not surprised." I remember when it came to such discussions, there were only a few people who argued about such possibilities (JimmyJRaynor being only one I can remember). Hindsight bias or just didn't want to shake the boat back then? Or maybe people figured as much after NASL shut down. Who knows.

That said, I will never forget the awesome memories of the NASL S1 finals. Despite the debt, I hope the people behind it enjoyed their venture as much as I enjoyed their production.
Byun, best player in the world!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 23 2014 02:30 GMT
#56
Thank the law for limited liability I guess
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lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 02:49:19
May 23 2014 02:40 GMT
#57
On May 23 2014 06:47 nkr wrote:
it's all in that big truck!


Also it's easy for everyone to be all hindsighthero, but the fact is when nasl was announced in the end of 2010 or early 2011, an investment like this didn't make people go "what are they doing?". People thought sc2 was the next big thing, but it ended up being LoL and Dota2 instead. Shit happens.

I'm going to be real with you. Are you ready?

Nobody with any intelligence thought that.

SC2 was a disaster waiting to happen. Blizzard mishandled every aspect of their attempts to strong-arm the professional scene. They alienated the Brood War fanbase and meddled so thoroughly in the dynamics of Korean e-sports that they basically guaranteed that there couldn't be the kind of independent grassroots support that gave Brood War longevity. On top of this they simply designed an inferior game that inspired far more apologetics than devotion.

In the end, the only source of strength for SC2 was Blizzard and everyone recognized it. It was what Blizzard wanted all along and they paid for it. While Brood War enjoyed the support of large sponsors, SC2 would collapse as soon as Blizzard lost interest. The volatility of the scene undermined it on a continual basis.

Edit: And while it's obvious that DotA2 is enjoying success at the moment, a statement like "the next big thing was LoL and DotA2" is just a mix of wishful thinking and hubris.
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
May 23 2014 03:59 GMT
#58
On May 23 2014 07:59 entropius wrote:
I imagine they could sell that soundboard and make back half a buck ;-)


fixt
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
May 23 2014 04:11 GMT
#59
It's a huge amount of money, sounds like someone could go to jail over this easily
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
OBC
Profile Joined February 2011
United States25 Posts
May 23 2014 04:23 GMT
#60
guess incontrol ran up quite the in-n-out tab

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