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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2014 10:45 GMT
#101
On March 26 2014 19:42 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 12:56 Waxangel wrote:
ooo trying other games :o

starbow maybe, where its more about skill again, then preventing the other races to micro. Maybe he was disgusted by that too :D

Wow, so much baiting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jezi
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden37 Posts
March 26 2014 10:46 GMT
#102
On March 26 2014 19:06 NarutO wrote:
It aint all sunshine and rainbows. I really believe this statement is as we all know - full of shit - . I would prefer to call it anything but that, but this really sickens me. You kicked your player - for obvious reason - and now you make it sound like a mutual agreement.

I hold no grudge against Alliance nor Naniwa, but those few lines full of lies are really sickening


The situation probably wouldn't have been different if you disregard the events from IEM. There is no reason for Alliance to keep a player on their team that is no longer even playing the game. Perhaps they would have let him stay on the team as an inactive member if it wasn't for IEM but I really doubt it, theres no reason to keep him on the team if he is not even playing and not contributing to the team at all.


TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
March 26 2014 10:55 GMT
#103
reality check for Kellie Milkies would be d20 - 15
StackerTwo
Profile Joined February 2012
United States41 Posts
March 26 2014 11:07 GMT
#104
For the sake of e-sports and their sponsors, they should have taken a clear stance that his behavior is not acceptable.

FACTS:
He gets paid to play.
He throws games.
He stopped working for a month, because he didn't feel like it.

In any other professional environment he would be terminated, not "we could no longer keep him". Is it ok? for the other alliance players(or any professional players?) to behave as he does?
TecaNina
Profile Joined December 2013
41 Posts
March 26 2014 11:11 GMT
#105
On March 26 2014 13:14 Gen.Rolly wrote:
3 facts about Naniwa:
1) He is a talented player
2) I used to respect him
3) I don't anymore


well who cares about you?

Happy to see a positive statement, but I guesse thats normal. Never saw somebody released and the company calling him "a idiot" or so ^^
Naniwa, Parting, SoS, HomestoryCup fuck yeahhh <3
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 26 2014 11:12 GMT
#106
On March 26 2014 19:29 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 19:06 nkr wrote:
Fact: IdrA has a more recent win in a Premier Tournament than Naniwa.

IdrA - IEM Guangzhou. 2011-10-05.
NaNi - MLG Glob. Inv.2011-11-20


that's a major
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
March 26 2014 11:17 GMT
#107
Kelly really knows how to pick her boyfriends. Had no idea she was alliance manager.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
March 26 2014 11:19 GMT
#108
Kelly the Alliance manager and a statement, hueheuheuhe joke.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
March 26 2014 11:21 GMT
#109
Personally I think the only difference between Naniwa and most people is that he says what most of think but don't say and honestly I think that probably makes him a better person that I. Maybe his attitude isn't the best and maybe he can be rude at times but at least with Naniwa we all know exactly where he stands.
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
March 26 2014 11:24 GMT
#110
"He's dad" ? =P
(:
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
March 26 2014 11:25 GMT
#111
On March 26 2014 20:07 StackerTwo wrote:
For the sake of e-sports and their sponsors, they should have taken a clear stance that his behavior is not acceptable.

FACTS:
He gets paid to play.
He throws games.
He stopped working for a month, because he didn't feel like it.

In any other professional environment he would be terminated, not "we could no longer keep him". Is it ok? for the other alliance players(or any professional players?) to behave as he does?


I don't know, Tevez managed to turn "getting paid to do nothing" into a fine art.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 26 2014 11:28 GMT
#112
On March 26 2014 15:04 Artunit wrote:
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On March 26 2014 13:55 Waxangel wrote:
I hope NaNiwa becomes a top tier LoL player so he can have interactions with Carmac forever


Haha yeah! it will be great to see him on LCS europe too and even worlds


I thought NaNiwa wasn't much of a team player, ha. ;o
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3766 Posts
March 26 2014 12:05 GMT
#113
On March 26 2014 20:12 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 19:29 nimdil wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:06 nkr wrote:
Fact: IdrA has a more recent win in a Premier Tournament than Naniwa.

IdrA - IEM Guangzhou. 2011-10-05.
NaNi - MLG Glob. Inv.2011-11-20


that's a major

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments#2011 LP begs to differ.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
March 26 2014 12:08 GMT
#114
so classy, well done
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3766 Posts
March 26 2014 12:11 GMT
#115
On March 26 2014 19:40 Lorch wrote:
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On March 26 2014 19:36 nimdil wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.

All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL.


He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway.

While I see your point here, IPL3 included not only OK koreans (which I assume covers i.e. 2011 PuMa, good enough player to win NASL2 around that time),slayers`Ryung or ogsTheStC but also 2011 MMA(!), MC (who was still good enough around that time to i.e. get to semifinal of Blizzard Cup). So the opposition was rather above "OK koreans".


Out of all the players you namend, Stephano only played vs STC at that tournament. Though he did beat Violet, but afaik that was before violet became the top player he was in 2012. Other than that, he won vs Inori, Kiwikaki and Lucky.

Irrelevant. They participated - the point is that IPL3 line-up wasn't a pushover and Stephano won. If you start counting established opponents then you can't start to argue that i.e. jjakji's GSL isn't "true" GSL because en route to championship the only top-notch opponent he defeate was Leenock in the final etc.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
March 26 2014 12:17 GMT
#116
Alliance MC
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3702 Posts
March 26 2014 12:27 GMT
#117
On March 26 2014 21:11 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 19:40 Lorch wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:36 nimdil wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:
On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.

All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL.


He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway.

While I see your point here, IPL3 included not only OK koreans (which I assume covers i.e. 2011 PuMa, good enough player to win NASL2 around that time),slayers`Ryung or ogsTheStC but also 2011 MMA(!), MC (who was still good enough around that time to i.e. get to semifinal of Blizzard Cup). So the opposition was rather above "OK koreans".


Out of all the players you namend, Stephano only played vs STC at that tournament. Though he did beat Violet, but afaik that was before violet became the top player he was in 2012. Other than that, he won vs Inori, Kiwikaki and Lucky.

Irrelevant. They participated - the point is that IPL3 line-up wasn't a pushover and Stephano won. If you start counting established opponents then you can't start to argue that i.e. jjakji's GSL isn't "true" GSL because en route to championship the only top-notch opponent he defeate was Leenock in the final etc.


I never said that stephano's IPL win wasn't a "true" IPL win. My only point was that I value results in Korea, even if they are "only" ro8 in gsl, higher than any results in foreign tournaments. Obviously Jjakji's GSL doesn't value as highly as say Life's royal road. The same way as Naniwa dominating the first MLG of 2011 isn't even close to being as impressive as say Leenock's National Championship win. And it was argued that that IPL should be held in high regards due to the lineup, however I don't see how that should matter when Stephano didn't even play any top players at that event.
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-26 12:40:41
March 26 2014 12:36 GMT
#118
Nice statement. It doesn't matter to me if anything else went on behind the scenes right now. I'm just waiting for NaNiwas return to see what happens.

I wouldn't argue that Stephanos got lesser results than NaNiwa in foreign events, but the GSL weighs heavy and makes the comparison a lot more close than it should have otherwise in terms of success. I don't buy the argument that Stephano only tried once in GSL since that in my opinion sounds more like he wanted money in foreign events than sacrificing a lot of time like NaNiwa in Korea.

I do think Stephano was a bit stronger overall.
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
March 26 2014 12:53 GMT
#119
Handled like true gents, nice job Alliance!
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 26 2014 13:00 GMT
#120
On March 26 2014 12:49 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
- He’s dad is a doctor

For some reason reading stuff like this completely erases anything positive I've been reading from the same person in the same thread.
Whatever, it's just useless PR stuff anyway, what matters are facts and facts only.
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