EPTHe is retired for now, there is nothing more to dicuss. Let's not turn this into a IdrA/Destiny situation one more time. When/If he comes back, then there is something to discuss
Alliance statement on NaNiwa's release - Page 7
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
He is retired for now, there is nothing more to dicuss. Let's not turn this into a IdrA/Destiny situation one more time. When/If he comes back, then there is something to discuss | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On March 26 2014 13:14 Gen.Rolly wrote: 3 facts about Naniwa: 1) He is a talented player 2) I used to respect him 3) I don't anymore 1. awesome player; the great foreign hope 2. loves "skipping"... 3. total moron wouldn't expect less from this drama... typical answers... scripted | ||
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Okee
Sweden54 Posts
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 26 2014 13:55 Waxangel wrote: I hope NaNiwa becomes a top tier LoL player so he can have interactions with Carmac forever Naniwa is such a good team player and flexible to adjust to playing with other people,so I have no doubt he could achieve greatness in LoL as well | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On March 26 2014 22:08 Qwerty85 wrote: Naniwa is such a good team player and flexible to adjust to playing with other people,so I have no doubt he could achieve greatness in LoL as well So true... Even Naniboys must be able to see this. | ||
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sigm
192 Posts
On March 26 2014 22:08 Okee wrote: Did I interpret that wrong or did she call Naniwa one of the best players ever to play the game? One of the best foreigners, sure. But one of the best ever to play the game? Sorry, not really. That entire statement is just Kelly doing PR with the same level of quality as casting GSL back in the day. Both efforts are laughably terrible all around, but hey, at least she tried. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
There's some bashing of grammar within the article. What's so terrible about it, nothing stands out to me? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On March 26 2014 13:12 lichter wrote: I didn't know Kelly was Alliance's manager whut You must have missed TI3 | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
On March 26 2014 19:00 lowdice wrote: Why is this community so desperate for drama?=/ This. And the wierd expectation that his former employer should throw him under the bus. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On March 26 2014 22:45 Arevall wrote: This. And the wierd expectation that his former employer should throw him under the bus. Most of the posting community are teenagers. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 26 2014 22:29 RoyW wrote: Nice professional sentiment on a contentious issue. Kelly's been Alliance's Dota manager since befoe they were sponsered by Alliance. There's some bashing of grammar within the article. What's so terrible about it, nothing stands out to me? I think what most people have beef with is the fact that it's, as per usual, nothing more than fluff and positivity all around, that offers very little insight as to why a certain decision was made in terms of providing new, relevant details. Granted, nobody's expecting (or should be expecting) the press release to shit all over Naniwa or even paint him as the bad guy in all of this, but it's fairly clear that a lot of the details surrounding this incident and its causes were not touched upon, even the ones that Naniwa himself alleged in the posts he made in his fanclub thread, or were deliberately omitted. And again, I don't think any of the reasonable people expects or would event want for such a press release to add more fuel to the fire, although it would certainly be nice if they could discuss what exactly happened and how it went down, rather than be just another "oh hey guys we were super good friends all along but we kinda had to part ways for some reason that we'll only very vaguely kinda mention in a manner that may or may not accurately portray what went on behind the scenes, but we're still super good friends though!". Most teams do this whenever something happens, Fnatic seem to be the only ones in the SC2 scene with the balls to actually say "you know what this guy simply didn't do a good enough job for our standards and we decided it's best to let him go" and that's something I couldn't possibly not respect, and something that we need a hell lot more of, rather than empty, meaningless fluff. tl;dr: I personally don't want a press release that shits on the other party, and I do not feel entitled to knowing the truth about such an issue, but a company that actually has the guts to publicly disclose at least some relevant information regarding an incident like this deserves a lot more respect than a company who just puts out meaningless PR bullshit. Feel free to disagree. The implication that everyone here follows or should follow the DotA 2 scene is laughable at best. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
On March 26 2014 12:56 Salazarz wrote: Of course they're going to be positive, not everyone is a Naniwa :p Exactly, this is pretty boilerplate. I don't know how productive it will be "to sit down and discuss another future together." for either side. Naniwa is definitely top 3 foreigners ever, but best SC2 players ever? Maybe there was a time, but now he wouldn't even rank in my top 25. Great games and great memories, but I'm not sad he is moving on because he has lost his motivation which was one of the things I truly admired him for. It's better for him to stick with his passions, so I wish him well for whatever comes next though I doubt I will follow his journey past this point. | ||
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Jarven
Sweden16 Posts
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On March 26 2014 18:22 Tanzklaue wrote: he also doesn't have qite as much talent as either scarlett or stephano in my opinion. he is still the second best foreigner in achievements though. very close to stephano depending on how much you value GSL Ro8 twice. the gsl is the be-all-end-all, you can't call yourself the best foreigner if you haven't even been to gsl. Stephano knew he had little to no chance in gsl, that's why he never bothered going, only playing tournaments he was likely to win | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On March 26 2014 22:53 MasterOfPuppets wrote: tl;dr: I personally don't want a press release that shits on the other party, and I do not feel entitled to knowing the truth about such an issue, but a company that actually has the guts to publicly disclose at least some relevant information regarding an incident like this deserves a lot more respect than a company who just puts out meaningless PR bullshit. Feel free to disagree. I think it's very unfair, or just plain immature, to call Alliance's statement "Meaningless PR bullshit". In any capacity in the professional world,you don't take a giant shit on a former employee, unless extreme circumstances occur. The response subtly addresses the issue without allowing misinterpretation or stoking ridiculous internet drama. In the statement, Alliance: Express regret that Naniwa wants to move on Express thanks for the work and achievements during his time on the team Keep the door open for a return if and when Naniwa may come back into the game What exactly would you have wanted Alliance to say to stop it from being "Meaningless PR bullshit"? It's a commendable sentiment, and Alliance/Kelly should be lauded for their professional handling of it. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 26 2014 23:42 RoyW wrote: In any capacity in the professional world,you don't take a giant shit on a former employee I'm dumbfounded that I left not one, not two, but three disclaimers in my post and somehow you still managed to misinterpret what I said. Being professional and providing accurate, relevant, real information in your press release following an incident are not mutually exclusive concepts though. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Just compare this event with Idra's. I'd definitely say that situation was far worse than this one, in basically every way. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On March 26 2014 23:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I'm dumbfounded that I left not one, not two, but three disclaimers in my post and somehow you still managed to misinterpret what I said. Being professional and providing accurate, relevant, real information in your press release following an incident are not mutually exclusive concepts though. Airing dirty laundry, no matter how "respectful" or "accurate" you put it, is pretty low and the opposite of professional for an organization, and is sort of things that can seriously jeopardize their ability to attract future opportunities. | ||
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