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On March 26 2014 18:56 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 18:55 Muffloe wrote:On March 26 2014 18:51 Wuster wrote:On March 26 2014 18:49 Muffloe wrote:On March 26 2014 17:16 Furikawari wrote:On March 26 2014 16:10 Advantageous wrote:
3 facts about the SC2 community on Naniwa:
1) cant get over how naniwa thumbs-downed Nestea, and probe-rushed Nestea.
2) cant get over the fact that a foreign protoss is considered the best foreigner. (GG Terran and Zerg Tears)
3) last but not least, refuse to believe that Naniwa (the best foreigner) have the balls to show his opinion publicly and uncensored.
Deal with it all you Nani-haters. He is so far the best foreigner to have come to the scene. Your idol doesnt have half the achievements Stephano has. Well tried. At least the protoss whining part was fun. So I heard about this GSL thing Swedish poster so you must be talking about Jinro then? =p Well I can talk about that aswell  But that was very early in SC2, and one could argue that it was a different time. Naniwa went RO8 when it was more "figured out"... and what happened when Stephano tried? (also note that Naniwa was 1 map away form winning DRG, and could cruise on his at the time good pvp to a championship) ok really, naniwa failed twice before he even got into code s, it took him a lot of time to even start performing in gsl stephano went there once and lost in a group with innovation and DRG. You can't use this as an argument against stephano, it's just blind fanboyism.
I don't think it works out that way; what is significant is that Naniwa actually could make a splash in the top league, and Stephano failied fataly. Out of context or not, this is the reality of the situation. I'm not even defending him, just stating obvious things
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Why is this community so desperate for drama?=/
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On March 26 2014 18:59 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 18:56 nkr wrote:On March 26 2014 18:55 Muffloe wrote:On March 26 2014 18:51 Wuster wrote:On March 26 2014 18:49 Muffloe wrote:On March 26 2014 17:16 Furikawari wrote:On March 26 2014 16:10 Advantageous wrote:
3 facts about the SC2 community on Naniwa:
1) cant get over how naniwa thumbs-downed Nestea, and probe-rushed Nestea.
2) cant get over the fact that a foreign protoss is considered the best foreigner. (GG Terran and Zerg Tears)
3) last but not least, refuse to believe that Naniwa (the best foreigner) have the balls to show his opinion publicly and uncensored.
Deal with it all you Nani-haters. He is so far the best foreigner to have come to the scene. Your idol doesnt have half the achievements Stephano has. Well tried. At least the protoss whining part was fun. So I heard about this GSL thing Swedish poster so you must be talking about Jinro then? =p Well I can talk about that aswell But that was very early in SC2, and one could argue that it was a different time. Naniwa went RO8 when it was more "figured out"... and what happened when Stephano tried? (also note that Naniwa was 1 map away form winning DRG, and could cruise on his at the time good pvp to a championship) ok really, naniwa failed twice before he even got into code s, it took him a lot of time to even start performing in gsl stephano went there once and lost in a group with innovation and DRG. You can't use this as an argument against stephano, it's just blind fanboyism. I don't think it works out that way; what is significant is that Naniwa actually could make a splash in the top league, and Stephano failied fataly. Out of context or not, this is the reality of the situation. I'm not even defending him, just stating obvious things
playing once and losing to drg and innovation isnt failing. really, you're not doing nanners any favors with these posts, you just make his fanboys look blind
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Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL.
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It aint all sunshine and rainbows. I really believe this statement is as we all know - full of shit - . I would prefer to call it anything but that, but this really sickens me. You kicked your player - for obvious reason - and now you make it sound like a mutual agreement.
I hold no grudge against Alliance nor Naniwa, but those few lines full of lies are really sickening
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Fact: IdrA has a more recent win in a Premier Tournament than Naniwa.
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On March 26 2014 18:55 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 18:51 Wuster wrote:On March 26 2014 18:49 Muffloe wrote:On March 26 2014 17:16 Furikawari wrote:On March 26 2014 16:10 Advantageous wrote:
3 facts about the SC2 community on Naniwa:
1) cant get over how naniwa thumbs-downed Nestea, and probe-rushed Nestea.
2) cant get over the fact that a foreign protoss is considered the best foreigner. (GG Terran and Zerg Tears)
3) last but not least, refuse to believe that Naniwa (the best foreigner) have the balls to show his opinion publicly and uncensored.
Deal with it all you Nani-haters. He is so far the best foreigner to have come to the scene. Your idol doesnt have half the achievements Stephano has. Well tried. At least the protoss whining part was fun. So I heard about this GSL thing Swedish poster so you must be talking about Jinro then? =p Well I can talk about that aswell But that was very early in SC2, and one could argue that it was a different time. Naniwa went RO8 when it was more "figured out"... and what happened when Stephano tried? (also note that Naniwa was 1 map away form winning DRG, and could then cruise on his at the time good pvp to a championship)
Naniwa did back to back R8's when the game was more figured out, but Jinro, TLO, Idra, HuK managed to play in GSL without charity placements, which Naniwa needed 3 of before his breakthrough (and no foreigner has made code S by completing the qualifiers since HuK*, although he got to skip Code B when he did it).
I agree that the quality of play was better when Naniwa played than when Jinro did, but I don't equate that with the level of competition. After all MC, Nestea, MVP, MKP, Polt, Leenock and a few others from that era stayed relevant pretty much for all of WoL (in fact looking at that list I think all of those guys have played both Jinro and Naniwa.. I believe Jinro got crushed by them minus when he dominated pre-Optimus Polt, while Naniwa more than held his own so he has that argument).
* Mana qualified for Code S without a direct seed, but he skipped code A and was put in the Up/Down's so almost. Also I totally understand that nowadays foreign players don't just give up overseas careers to try for GSL like back then when it was the only consistent major tournament. So pretty much we'll *only* see foreigners playing GSL now if they get seeded.
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On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL.
Stephano is also the only foreigner to have a positive record in proleague? Naniwa is one of the best foreigners, just not the best 
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On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL.
He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway.
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On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL. He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway.
Sure, Naniwa's behavior is above any criticism. Wait, what are we talking about???
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On March 26 2014 19:18 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL. He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway. Sure, Naniwa's behavior is above any criticism. Wait, what are we talking about???
Well to me probe rushing nestea, bitching about MLG/nestea and forfeiting IEM isn't even close to Stephano's attitude, but I think everyone has their own moral standards anyway.
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I'm more interested in knowing if Naniwa seriously considers going into LoL?
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sorry 4 offtopic, wrong thread
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On March 26 2014 16:10 Advantageous wrote:
3 facts about the SC2 community on Naniwa:
1) cant get over how naniwa thumbs-downed Nestea, and probe-rushed Nestea.
2) cant get over the fact that a foreign protoss is considered the best foreigner. (GG Terran and Zerg Tears)
3) last but not least, refuse to believe that Naniwa (the best foreigner) have the balls to show his opinion publicly and uncensored.
Deal with it all you Nani-haters. He is so far the best foreigner to have come to the scene.
We'll settle at second best. Not up for discussion.
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On March 26 2014 19:06 nkr wrote:
Fact: IdrA has a more recent win in a Premier Tournament than Naniwa.
IdrA - IEM Guangzhou. 2011-10-05.
NaNi - MLG Glob. Inv.2011-11-20
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This is a very nice statement, way more positive than I had expected. It shows a good attitude and character to part in grace even if it is not amicably and to not talk shit about the former partner/employee/employer, good job Alliance!
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Poland3748 Posts
On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL. He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway.
While I see your point here, IPL3 included not only OK koreans (which I assume covers i.e. 2011 PuMa, good enough player to win NASL2 around that time),slayers`Ryung or ogsTheStC but also 2011 MMA(!), MC (who was still good enough around that time to i.e. get to semifinal of Blizzard Cup). So the opposition was rather above "OK koreans".
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On March 26 2014 19:36 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:16 Lorch wrote:On March 26 2014 19:03 NxSs wrote:
Stephano tried GSL only 1 time when he felt miserable in Korea. Stephano did actually win mulitiple championships.
Stephano is without a doubt the best foreigner sc2 has known so far.
All the best to Naniwa though, GL in LoL. He also tried for Blizz cup before that. To me, back to back ro8 against the best players in the world will always be > winning foreign events against ok Koreans and foreign players. Also, nani wanting to win and be the best vs stephano being in it for the money also makes me favor nani. Especially when there are hundreds of Koreans sacrificing everything and even sometimes being dishonored by their families for a chance to compete and then spending 1+ years in the practice house before they even get to play a single televised game. To me Stephano will always be the cocky guy who spit on all proper progamers with his awful and unprofessional attitude, but I guess people prefer "personalities" over actual competitors anyway. While I see your point here, IPL3 included not only OK koreans (which I assume covers i.e. 2011 PuMa, good enough player to win NASL2 around that time),slayers`Ryung or ogsTheStC but also 2011 MMA(!), MC (who was still good enough around that time to i.e. get to semifinal of Blizzard Cup). So the opposition was rather above "OK koreans".
Out of all the players you namend, Stephano only played vs STC at that tournament. Though he did beat Violet, but afaik that was before violet became the top player he was in 2012. Other than that, he won vs Inori, Kiwikaki and Lucky.
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On March 26 2014 19:00 lowdice wrote:
Why is this community so desperate for drama?=/
I love the people complaining that alliance didn't discribe all the issues that had with Naniwa and that the that the statement was to "PR"
Guess what, at a normal job, they don't tell you why they fire people. And they don't released PR statements flaming the person on the way out. That would be totally unprofessional.
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On March 26 2014 12:56 Waxangel wrote:
ooo trying other games :o
starbow maybe, where its more about skill again, then preventing the other races to micro. Maybe he was disgusted by that too :D
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