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On March 27 2014 21:37 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. This isn't really true, peoples complaints were against her voice, not that she was a women. And keep in mind, we were all exclusively used to tastosis and some people only wanted tastosis.
Can we get away from making up history? The first step towards dealing with the sexism in this community is actually admitting that being a woman means that whatever criticisms can be directed at you will become double in volume and venom.
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I agree with everything said in the OP. Naniwa was the best foreigner and one of the best players overall. It was great to have him in starcraft 2.
However that doesn't change the fact he behaves just like a spoiled brat.
gl in whatever you want to do now Naniwa.
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Poland3753 Posts
On March 27 2014 21:31 Lynx89 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 21:20 maartendq wrote:On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. If it's about pronunctiation, why do people like Tod and Rotterdam so much? Their accent is terrible. Rotterdam pronunciation is very good...
I like ToD's better and would chose ToD over Rotterdam any day. Rotti is OK but it's a bit harder to understand him when he is joking/laughing which isn't that uncommon.
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Just an off question to some of you.
Why exactly do you think you're entitled to a multiple paragraph response on why a company is getting rid of an employee?
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I find it strange that Naniwa still has so much respect in the SC community.
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Hey - Let's not even take a shot at winning 100k. Let's just quit and be all emo and stuff.
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On March 26 2014 13:14 Gen.Rolly wrote:
3 facts about Naniwa:
1) He is a talented player
2) I used to respect him
3) I don't anymore
Thats totally me!
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On March 28 2014 00:00 MatKay wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:14 Gen.Rolly wrote:
3 facts about Naniwa:
1) He is a talented player
2) I used to respect him
3) I don't anymore Thats totally me!
How could you respect someone you know only because of his games o_O ? I enjyoed NaNi and I continue to enjoy him but I don't know him enough to respect him.
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On March 28 2014 00:38 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 00:00 MatKay wrote:On March 26 2014 13:14 Gen.Rolly wrote:
3 facts about Naniwa:
1) He is a talented player
2) I used to respect him
3) I don't anymore Thats totally me! How could you respect someone you know only because of his games o_O ? I enjyoed NaNi and I continue to enjoy him but I don't know him enough to respect him.
When Naniwa came on the scene he had a bad reputation and bad press seemed to follow him even when he wasn't that successful.
Personally, I thought Naniwa was a fierce competitor who had a tough life (kicked out of home as a teenager, bounced around teams, ect.). I also remember how young he was so didn't judge him too harshly on it.
Then he ended up on Dignitas and it seemed like he made a huge turnaround. He wasn't getting involved in pointless controversies, his professionalism seemed up (like not getting kicked out of ESL *twice* for rules violation), and he seemed to be doing well in the game and *didn't* come across as an asshole in interviews.
It looked to me like he was starting to grow up and put things together. Pretty easy to be a fan of someone with that story IMO.
Then he left Dignitas and while he had more success, all those ugly out-of-game issues started to resurface and it got harder to root for him (and I eventually stopped to be honest). So I can see how some people lost respect for him. A lot of his issues were beyond his gameplay as well.
Anyways, I can only hope that taking a leave from programing will help him finally exorcise whatever demons continue to haunt him.
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On March 27 2014 22:22 ffadicted wrote:
Just an off question to some of you.
Why exactly do you think you're entitled to a multiple paragraph response on why a company is getting rid of an employee?
Did anyone ask for a statement from Alliance? Nope. We all knew what happened and why and no one questioned it.
They gave one on there own to make themselves look good. Mission accomplished too
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This is actually great. Alliance is very classy and a really positive press release. And everything complaining that nothing new was said here, ITS A PRESS RELEASE. This is exactly what a press release is supposed to be. It's not an opportunity to trash your former player or get all personal with negative shit. NaNiwa was a great player, and although a lot of people in the community like to hate on him and trash him very regularly, he gave the foreign community some great moments and great games while keeping the foreign hope alive during some of the worst times for foreign players in history of the game. He raised the bar for all the great foreign players that are starting to pop up and get results recently and I guarantee you he was a big reason why. These people are competitors and not role models, and I'm glad Alliance took the opportunity to say farewell to a great player and it seems like a great teammate. Peace and love <3 Will miss watching his games and hope he comes back eventually.
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On March 27 2014 22:22 ffadicted wrote:
Just an off question to some of you.
Why exactly do you think you're entitled to a multiple paragraph response on why a company is getting rid of an employee?
Maybe... because we care what happens to the team? What if I invest in the team? What if we're friends with someone on the team? What if.. okay, I'm done.
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On March 26 2014 12:49 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Source: Alliance.ggKelly:3 facts about NaNiwa: - He’s dad is a doctor - He likes eating chocolate
How insulting. :/
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Typical press statement, nothing new or interesting here... Bleh.
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On March 27 2014 10:08 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:31 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:26 StarStruck wrote:On March 27 2014 08:19 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate. Revisit the threads. It had everything to do with the accent and annunciation. Silliness however had nothing to do with it. Her tact with dealing with the issue could have been better. The guy you're thinking of never really went mainstream from what I recall. No idea where he is now and a lot of those guys were casting all sorts of events from their bedroom. Different can of worms. I get where you are coming form Starstruck, but I don't think it was isolated specifically to the threads on TL. The speech stuff was annoying, but I always felt people doubled down on that super fast and never gave her a chance. That was a weird time in SC2 when GSL was the only thing and people went ape shit over the tiniest stuff. Most of the really gross, sexist stuff happens on places that are not TL, because the bannlings don't tolerate that shit. Exactly, the mods keep things pretty clean here, but some of vitriol pointed at her elsewhere was definitely all about her gender. To be sure she had legitimate short comings, but I think they got magnified on TL because trolls couldn't attack her gender here so they focused on what they could attack. I don't particularly think she was good enough for GSL, but some of the casters the Korean scene has had haven't exactly been first-rate either and she seemed way more polarizing than any of them. Also, I do remember watching the guy with the straight-up speech impediment cast WCS and the live thread was basically: person a: wtf he can't talk person b: get over it, you can understand him just fine if you try Plus, the EU scene has produced plenty of accented English casters that no ones complains about, because you can understand them just fine (also the bias towards Euro accents being 'cool' / 'sexy').
We're talking about the constructive criticism not the other bullshit surrounding it. Those kind of remarks happen all the time no matter the scenario. Case in point look at Reimer's wife getting lambasted for the guy's lackluster performance.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/03/25/james_reimer_responds_to_twitter_attacks_on_his_wife.html
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/03/24/april_reimer_wife_of_maple_leaf_james_reimer_attacked_on_twitter.html
With all the social media available to us nowadays it's so easy for people to vent their frustrations on others and it's almost always a load of rubbish that carries little weight. Why you guys think I don't participate in such things other than these forums? It's because I have enough to deal with here. hue hue hue
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I was all fine with this until the very last line:
- He is a great flight partner to theory craft games with and actually has pretty good jokes.
That's two facts!!!
I am now very angry at this announcement!!! > : (
PEEETSHFFOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKK OUT!!!!
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On March 27 2014 21:51 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 21:37 TBone- wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. This isn't really true, peoples complaints were against her voice, not that she was a women. And keep in mind, we were all exclusively used to tastosis and some people only wanted tastosis. Can we get away from making up history? The first step towards dealing with the sexism in this community is actually admitting that being a woman means that whatever criticisms can be directed at you will become double in volume and venom.
I might have been inclined to agree if it wasnt for the sheer amount of hate several other notable commentators have received both before and after she left casting. If her criticism stemmed from sexism then it was buried in a heap of general viciousness the community can have for anyone who they dont enjoy.
On March 27 2014 22:23 danmanjones wrote:
I find it strange that Naniwa still has so much respect in the SC community.
Not everyone watches sc2 for drama. Regardless of his antics, he was one of the few foreigners to carry the torch as far as he did. Thats pretty deserving of respect.
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Haha did not know that E-Sports needed that "all happy all well best of luck for future"-Bullshit press releases whenever a player is fired for being imature.
For crying out loud, naniwa is a talented diva. If he loses he blames it on the circumstances if he wins he pats himself on the back the most.
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On March 27 2014 21:51 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 21:37 TBone- wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. This isn't really true, peoples complaints were against her voice, not that she was a women. And keep in mind, we were all exclusively used to tastosis and some people only wanted tastosis. Can we get away from making up history? The first step towards dealing with the sexism in this community is actually admitting that being a woman means that whatever criticisms can be directed at you will become double in volume and venom.
Not sure if sarcasm, but she just had a really bad voice and either Gom or herself should have realized that and never put her into that position in the first place.
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