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On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around.
IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation.
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On March 27 2014 08:00 Broodwurst wrote:
Anyone got a job where I can take a paid 4-6 months break?
Doesn't say he asked for a paid break, I assumed he asked for a 4-6 month break free of contractual obligations so that he could come back to the game and stay with Alliance if he found the motivation to play again.
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On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation.
I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate.
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On March 27 2014 08:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate.
Revisit the threads. It had everything to do with the accent and annunciation. Silliness however had nothing to do with it. Her tact with dealing with the issue could have been better. The guy you're thinking of never really went mainstream from what I recall. No idea where he is now and a lot of those guys were casting all sorts of events from their bedroom. Different can of worms.
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On March 27 2014 08:26 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:19 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate. Revisit the threads. It had everything to do with the accent and annunciation. Silliness however had nothing to do with it. Her tact with dealing with the issue could have been better. The guy you're thinking of never really went mainstream from what I recall. No idea where he is now and a lot of those guys were casting all sorts of events from their bedroom. Different can of worms.
I get where you are coming form Starstruck, but I don't think it was isolated specifically to the threads on TL. The speech stuff was annoying, but I always felt people doubled down on that super fast and never gave her a chance. That was a weird time in SC2 when GSL was the only thing and people went ape shit over the tiniest stuff. Most of the really gross, sexist stuff happens on places that are not TL, because the bannlings don't tolerate that shit.
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People flamed her for calling hellion racecar... even though the whole game she had been calling hellion hellions.
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I thought most people criticized KM for her pronunciation and general lack of game knowledge. I personally didnt care whether she is a girl or not, but her accent did sometimes make it hard to understand what she's saying.
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On March 27 2014 08:59 ilikeredheads wrote:
I thought most people criticized KM for her pronunciation and general lack of game knowledge. I personally didnt care whether she is a girl or not, but her accent did sometimes make it hard to understand what she's saying.
I think that some people also didn't like how when she was a caster for a big Malaysian LAN, she just left halfway through, but that was a long time ago (and long before I entered the eSports scene).
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On March 27 2014 08:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:26 StarStruck wrote:On March 27 2014 08:19 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate. Revisit the threads. It had everything to do with the accent and annunciation. Silliness however had nothing to do with it. Her tact with dealing with the issue could have been better. The guy you're thinking of never really went mainstream from what I recall. No idea where he is now and a lot of those guys were casting all sorts of events from their bedroom. Different can of worms. I get where you are coming form Starstruck, but I don't think it was isolated specifically to the threads on TL. The speech stuff was annoying, but I always felt people doubled down on that super fast and never gave her a chance. That was a weird time in SC2 when GSL was the only thing and people went ape shit over the tiniest stuff. Most of the really gross, sexist stuff happens on places that are not TL, because the bannlings don't tolerate that shit.
Exactly, the mods keep things pretty clean here, but some of vitriol pointed at her elsewhere was definitely all about her gender.
To be sure she had legitimate short comings, but I think they got magnified on TL because trolls couldn't attack her gender here so they focused on what they could attack. I don't particularly think she was good enough for GSL, but some of the casters the Korean scene has had haven't exactly been first-rate either and she seemed way more polarizing than any of them.
Also, I do remember watching the guy with the straight-up speech impediment cast WCS and the live thread was basically:
person a: wtf he can't talk
person b: get over it, you can understand him just fine if you try
Plus, the EU scene has produced plenty of accented English casters that no ones complains about, because you can understand them just fine (also the bias towards Euro accents being 'cool' / 'sexy').
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On March 27 2014 10:08 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:31 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:26 StarStruck wrote:On March 27 2014 08:19 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. I don't really think so. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty silly and there are plenty of goofy casters. Her gender factored into why she got so much hate. Other casters have had straight up speech impediments and didn't get nearly the hate. Revisit the threads. It had everything to do with the accent and annunciation. Silliness however had nothing to do with it. Her tact with dealing with the issue could have been better. The guy you're thinking of never really went mainstream from what I recall. No idea where he is now and a lot of those guys were casting all sorts of events from their bedroom. Different can of worms. I get where you are coming form Starstruck, but I don't think it was isolated specifically to the threads on TL. The speech stuff was annoying, but I always felt people doubled down on that super fast and never gave her a chance. That was a weird time in SC2 when GSL was the only thing and people went ape shit over the tiniest stuff. Most of the really gross, sexist stuff happens on places that are not TL, because the bannlings don't tolerate that shit. Exactly, the mods keep things pretty clean here, but some of vitriol pointed at her elsewhere was definitely all about her gender. To be sure she had legitimate short comings, but I think they got magnified on TL because trolls couldn't attack her gender here so they focused on what they could attack. I don't particularly think she was good enough for GSL, but some of the casters the Korean scene has had haven't exactly been first-rate either and she seemed way more polarizing than any of them. Also, I do remember watching the guy with the straight-up speech impediment cast WCS and the live thread was basically: person a: wtf he can't talk person b: get over it, you can understand him just fine if you try Plus, the EU scene has produced plenty of accented English casters that no ones complains about, because you can understand them just fine (also the bias towards Euro accents being 'cool' / 'sexy').
Don't forget the faux-maxim spread she did. I always thought someone wanting to be taken seriously based on their abilities instead of their body parts would avoid that sort of thing. She caught some flack over that one too. But yeah, I remember her getting poo'd on more because so many couldn't understand her + a lot of what she said just flat didn't make sense rather than her gender.
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On March 26 2014 23:42 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 22:53 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 26 2014 22:29 RoyW wrote:
Nice professional sentiment on a contentious issue. Kelly's been Alliance's Dota manager since befoe they were sponsered by Alliance.
There's some bashing of grammar within the article. What's so terrible about it, nothing stands out to me? tl;dr: I personally don't want a press release that shits on the other party, and I do not feel entitled to knowing the truth about such an issue, but a company that actually has the guts to publicly disclose at least some relevant information regarding an incident like this deserves a lot more respect than a company who just puts out meaningless PR bullshit. Feel free to disagree. I think it's very unfair, or just plain immature, to call Alliance's statement "Meaningless PR bullshit". In any capacity in the professional world,you don't take a giant shit on a former employee, unless extreme circumstances occur. The response subtly addresses the issue without allowing misinterpretation or stoking ridiculous internet drama. In the statement, Alliance: Express regret that Naniwa wants to move on Express thanks for the work and achievements during his time on the team Keep the door open for a return if and when Naniwa may come back into the gameWhat exactly would you have wanted Alliance to say to stop it from being "Meaningless PR bullshit"? It's a commendable sentiment, and Alliance/Kelly should be lauded for their professional handling of it.
It isn't just about that...
there were many sugar coated words...
better release a statement releasing him and thanking for his contributions on the team rather than indirectly justifiying his despicable behavior...
you can release a statement without tarnishing the player but putting to much effort on sugar coating naniwa, i cant take it.
we came to a mutual agreement
he still has a lot left in him as a professional
In person he has never been anything but extremely respectful
-He’s dad is a doctor
- He likes eating chocolate
LOL!!!
we would love to sit down and discuss another future together
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I guess I come late to the party saying I had no idea Kellymilkies was Alliance manager? O.o
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On March 27 2014 12:22 Ydriel wrote:
I guess I come late to the party saying I had no idea Kellymilkies was Alliance manager? O.o
the benefits of being a pro gamers girlfriend in esports i guess...
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On March 27 2014 12:25 URLateral wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 12:22 Ydriel wrote:
I guess I come late to the party saying I had no idea Kellymilkies was Alliance manager? O.o
the benefits of being a pro gamers girlfriend in esports i guess...
That's unfair on one hand and try to land a nice job in such industry without good contacts on the other.
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Well, it was fun, Nani. Best of luck with the post-SC life.
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I remember being one of the people flaming KM because she was bad at casting. Tasteless did his best to make the casts fun with her but as great as he is at his job he couldn't do it. She just wasn't knowledgeable enough at the game and when it came time to analyze the game at hand she couldn't do it. Could barely do play by play too. The calling Hellions race cars thing was funny to me and the whole game she ran with the same joke.
TL was pretty quick with the ban hammer here on the KM being a girl bans so I don't think it was much of an issue. Probably reddit and bnet though I could see being bad for that.
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Video game nerds angry misogynists and racists. BREAKING NEWS AT 8AM.
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On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation.
If it's about pronunctiation, why do people like Tod and Rotterdam so much? Their accent is terrible.
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On March 27 2014 21:20 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 08:04 Clicker wrote:On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around. IIRC, it had very little to do with her gender and more of her silliness/pronunciation. If it's about pronunctiation, why do people like Tod and Rotterdam so much? Their accent is terrible.
Rotterdam pronunciation is very good...
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On March 27 2014 03:23 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:13 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2014 02:50 beesinyoface wrote:On March 27 2014 02:45 SChlafmann wrote:
Wow, I'm like..Wow.
Awesome job from Alliance there. I believe no one expected this kind of statement.
when it's coming from KM it means little next to absolutely fucking nothing. Why do you say that When KM was first casting sc2 many years ago, half the people on TL hated her because she was a girl. it was pretty gross. anyone who defended her was accused of white knighting. guess some of those posters are still around.
This isn't really true, peoples complaints were against her voice, not that she was a women. And keep in mind, we were all exclusively used to tastosis and some people only wanted tastosis.
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