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I feel compelled to put a few things straight here. Firstly, Naniwa did not do anything wrong by forfeiting against Polt. It's completely within each player's rights to forfeit for whatever reason.
The question is whether he did something wrong by retiring before his contract was up. If the contract stipulates that the contractee cannot terminate it himself, then forcing this on Alliancce was wrong. If it did not however, then there is insufficient information to decide whether he was in the wrong on this point. We don't know when/how Naniwa informed his team that he was no longer playing. If he did this when he stopped, the situation at IEM should never have occured: Alliance should merely have released him then, when he expressed he had no intention to keep playing.
Naniwa is completely right when points out that he was not required to transfer his spot at IEM, after it became clear to him that he did not want to compete. Such a decision is up to the event organizer, who determines the criteria for competing, who according to Naniwa were informed that he did not wish to participate. When they pressured him into going, they set themselves up for this to happen.
I also want to address the hate mongering that has surrounded Naniwa ever since he entered the scene: It's pathetic how the community at large have assigned him as a punchingbag because of his demeanor, frankness, and impulsiveness. These personality traits do not give you a licence to bully a person. By doing so, you're starting a vicious cycle where he will respond spontaneusly and emotionally, which will set him up for further abuse. All these comments of "I hate him" "Has he been diagnosed yet?" "What a loser." are frankly cruel, and ironically go way beyond any wrongdoing he may have committed. The willingness of every forumgoer and his dog to jump on every situation he handles suboptimally, with the contempt of someone witnessing a warcrime, is a cyber assault of negativity, and you wonder why he calls this community disgusting? The hypocracy is so ripe you can taste it.
I'm glad he's leaving. He will be better off out of the microscope people have put him under, free to be himself without all this judgement.
This will probably be a good time for me to leave aswell, in the sense that I won't be posting here ever again. Unfortunately, it still seems like the best place to find tournament results, schedules, etc, so I guess I'll still be using that.
Don't ever think this place is above the standards of the internet at large: It's not.
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On March 21 2014 20:43 TaShadan wrote:
I thought he will take a break/retire anyway?
yah, which makes the whole thing even more hilarious. Alliance forced a dude who was known to be on the verge of quitting (if he hadn't already quit mentally) to play after being told he didn't want to play.
the same guy who did a probe rush in korea in a game he didn't want to play, except this time he told people he didn't want to play
there was only one result from this. history doom repeat learn something something
people (like kas) mocking him for being 'fired' are kinda missing the point. it's almost a perverse form of mutual constructive dismissal. the firing is hardly a punishment, it's almost a reward. there's no real disappointment there i don't think. nani's hands were washed with this thing well before he got 'released'. that the team failed to identify this issue correctly is rather amusing
no one looks good from this, not nani, not alliance (are they really run by the same people who run EG? find it hard to believe they'd be so incompetent), not the people defending him, and definitely not the people gloating. it's one big silly joke with a big stage punchline. it brings me great uhh... schadenfreude, to see so many people just fail so hard at eSports.
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now this is not exactly surprising. to me, he was always too much of a dick to respect him for his achievements as a player.
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i really hope we ve seen the last of him
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On March 21 2014 16:17 Shinobi1982 wrote:
He sure as hell deserves it. I was always a fan of Naniwa but he is just too "uninformed" (to put it lightly) to see why he needs to be at that tournament.
Why he needs to be at the tournament?
Because of money. I think it's simple enough for him to get it. He just openly rejects the money-oriented attitude.
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On March 21 2014 21:30 jarod wrote:
i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.
Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra
I think, I'd replace Idra and Jinro with MaNa and Nerchio, but yeah, something like that. I think, even as a Nani-supporter, I have to admit that Stephano is the foreigner with the biggest impact for now.
On March 21 2014 21:25 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough.  but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there. No, he does not have a competetive mind. He has a narcissistic mind. He only can give his best, when he feels that he personally can gain anything from the game. A professional competitor will give his best (or atleast be somewhat entertaining) whenever there is at least 1 guy in the audience who paid for watching him perform. It blows my mind that he was in the business for such a long time and still does not understand the necessity of reputation of yourself and the people and companys you represent.
Competetive mind has nothing to do with people watching or paying to watch or whatever. That is working as an entertainer and the opposite of what Nani was doing. His competetive mind was shown by his drive to win at all costs, his trip to korea and him skipping big tournies just to train GSL. Ofc. he did'nt show that at IEM but he said months before, that he would'nt care that much about that. In general his career was in a competetive mindset, otherwise he would'nt have spent the biggest part of 2012 in korea.
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On March 21 2014 21:44 Odecey wrote:
I feel compelled to put a few things straight here. Firstly, Naniwa did not do anything wrong by forfeiting against Polt. It's completely within each player's rights to forfeit for whatever reason.
This is so amazingly wrong that it is good that you said you won't be coming back. Naniwa was being paid under contract to play there. His obligation was to go and play the best games possible and for that he was given a salary by his team.
He neither represented Alliance nor himself well by his actions.
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On March 21 2014 21:25 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there. No, he does not have a competetive mind. He has a narcissistic mind. He only can give his best, when he feels that he personally can gain anything from the game. A professional competitor will give his best (or atleast be somewhat entertaining) whenever there is at least 1 guy in the audience who paid for watching him perform. If he was narcissistic, rather than competitive, he would care about how he looked, you are going in the opposite direction.
Naniwa is the best foreigner because he is perfectionistic, and he is fueled by passion. If the passion is not there, or nothing is at stake, he can't give a good performance, which by Naniwa standards is not just being happy to participate. His stride for being the best, is what got him there, and there are consequences, when he is not there, or this not being understood.
It blows my mind that he was in the business for such a long time and still does not understand the necessity of reputation of yourself and the people and companys you represent.
Naniwa is not like everyone else. Which is why he was better than everyone else at what he was doing. If you try to take this out of Naniwa, you have a shell that cannot perform, as he was fueled by passion.
He can't be a Thorzain-type of swede, because he is not. Just like IdrA couldn't be someone else. Nor should he have to be.
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On March 21 2014 21:44 Odecey wrote:
I feel compelled to put a few things straight here. Firstly, Naniwa did not do anything wrong by forfeiting against Polt. It's completely within each player's rights to forfeit for whatever reason.
The question is whether he did something wrong by retiring before his contract was up. If the contract stipulates that the contractee cannot terminate it himself, then forcing this on Alliancce was wrong. If it did not however, then there is insufficient information to decide whether he was in the wrong on this point. We don't know when/how Naniwa informed his team that he was no longer playing. If he did this when he stopped, the situation at IEM should never have occured: Alliance should merely have released him then, when he expressed he had no intention to keep playing.
Naniwa is completely right when points out that he was not required to transfer his spot at IEM, after it became clear to him that he did not want to compete. Such a decision is up to the event organizer, who determines the criteria for competing, who according to Naniwa were informed that he did not wish to participate. When they pressured him into going, they set themselves up for this to happen.
I also want to address the hate mongering that has surrounded Naniwa ever since he entered the scene: It's pathetic how the community at large have assigned him as a punchingbag because of his demeanor, frankness, and impulsiveness. These personality traits do not give you a licence to bully a person. By doing so, you're starting a vicious cycle where he will respond spontaneusly and emotionally, which will set him up for further abuse. All these comments of "I hate him" "Has he been diagnosed yet?" "What a loser." are frankly cruel, and ironically go way beyond any wrongdoing he may have committed. The willingness of every forumgoer and his dog to jump on every situation he handles suboptimally, with the contempt of someone witnessing a warcrime, is a cyber assault of negativity, and you wonder why he calls this community disgusting? The hypocracy is so ripe you can taste it.
I'm glad he's leaving. He will be better off out of the microscope people have put him under, free to be himself without all this judgement.
This will probably be a good time for me to leave aswell, in the sense that I won't be posting here ever again. Unfortunately, it still seems like the best place to find tournament results, schedules, etc, so I guess I'll still be using that.
Don't ever think this place is above the standards of the internet at large: It's not.
I'm sorry but this attempt to make something infantile into something highminded is jsut silly. He didn't want to play anymore so unless Alliance is terrible at writing contracts I'm pretty sure someone deciding to stop doing their job will let them fire that person. They probably told him to go if he didn't want to be fired, being "threatened" to do your job if you want to keep it is not threatening on any level. So he decided to go, and he decided to throw, and he decided to lie about the reason, and here we are with him still blaming other people.
Nobody is being bullied, he acted like a dick, he got called out for it and insted of letting it go he pulls back the horses corps ones more, he did that, Naniwa. His "fragility" emotionwise which people keeps using as a defense is jsut silly.
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It's weird that there hasn't been an official statement made by Alliance since the incident.
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On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf?
No no no that's not what i wanted to say. If you feel the guy may endanger you by that last Bo5, it would be better to not send him and fire him on an agreement.
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On March 21 2014 21:35 jarod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:32 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 21 2014 21:30 jarod wrote:
i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.
Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra Misses Scarlett plz? Scarllet is awesome and can still be the best, but until now i cannot put her before Jinro or Stephano or Huk or even Idra, these 4 when they were at their best won tournaments or go deep in GSL, what did Scarllet win? (and naniwa beat last year scarllet, and overall showed better results). But hey! this is just my opinion.
Scarlett and Jinro played at very different times.
No disrespect to Jinro, but while he was at the top at the start, he would be nowhere these days. It's like the early days of BW, but compressed. The foreigners who did well succeeded for a while, but really that's because the game wasn't developed at the time.
Scarlett is much more impressive as a player because the game is harder than it was. She may not have the same successes, but that's because the competition is harder in her "era".
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Nani has valid points, they should not have forced him to do anything.
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On March 21 2014 21:59 jax1492 wrote:
Nani has valid points, they should not have forced him to do anything.
They forced him how?
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On March 21 2014 21:28 ThePlagueJG wrote:I thought that was quite funny, but Kas is also a notorious whiner.
I think Kas mindeset has took a positive swing since 2014 began, although he still has occasional whniy comments. But he tweeted something about going from 30 to 80 % winrate in TvP as well since the last patch and that his mental bock would be broken.
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On March 21 2014 22:01 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:28 ThePlagueJG wrote:I thought that was quite funny, but Kas is also a notorious whiner. I think Kas mindeset has took a positive swing since 2014 began, although he still has occasional whniy comments. But he tweeted something about going from 30 to 80 % winrate in TvP as well since the last patch and that his mental bock would be broken.
That's good for him, glad that he is finally getting a better mindset!
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So this proves the soundproof excuse was pure BS?
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On March 21 2014 21:59 jax1492 wrote:
Nani has valid points, they should not have forced him to do anything.
Not really. It's not : "company should not force employee because of the employee" (if that's what you want to say).
- A company can force a employee do to stuff.
- A company that will do that but don't take account that forcing the guy could endanger your image is making a mistake.
- Naniwa had the right to forfeit.
- Naniwa was obliged to go to the IEM because he was told too (and not forced) because he is under contract.
He should have resigned if he didn't want to go. Maybe it's more complicated than that surely. But he doesn't have valid point. If you go. You be professional. If you don't want to go. You resign.
Sorry if that doesn't make sense. It's hard to argue in english and make valid point.
On March 21 2014 22:03 CubanPete wrote:
So this proves the soundproof excuse was pure BS?
No it doesn't. The discussion is more on the fact that he says he has been kicked out and arguments on management desicion and naniwa decision.
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On March 21 2014 20:20 mcc wrote:Funny thing though is that the people who were condemning him the most for taking someone else's place in the tournament, completely forgot that now and have new terrible thing to condemn. The previous excuse for bashing him conveniently forgotten as it seems to have been false.
I find this interesting too.
First people rant and rave about what a dick move it was to take up a tournament slot, how someone else more deserving could have had it, etc etc, and how this was "typical Naniwa" to not care about the fans or the audience who paid money for tickets and the poor organizers and whatnot.
Then it turns out he was forced to go (I tried to point this out in the first thread but it got ignored among all the hate posts), and now people completely forget about being wrong there and instead find something else to focus the hate on... "he forfeited two games, burn him!!"
Seriously people. When will you stop being so assuming and judgemental just because you've made up your mind that you don't like a person's pointy surface? Look a bit deeper, and sometimes you might be surprised. Not always, and maybe not necessarily in this case - but sometimes.
This is what the typical hater posts look to me:
Week 1: "Seriously, he should've just stayed away and not brought his shitty attitude to IEM. Why even bother to come when he didn't want to play anyway? Other players would've given anything to be there!"
Week 2: "I don't get how unprofessional Naniwa is! If your team tells you to go attend a tournament, you go do your job!"
Which is it people? Yes, you could say that he should have gone and played out two more games, even if it was in his full rights to forfeit. It still doesn't explain your assumptions that he was a dick for going on the tournament in the first place.
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gl hf in the real world naniwa, you gonna need it with that attitude.
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